NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB

[Frick]

There's this thing called HDMI-to-DVI cable, you know. They could even include an adapter with the card.
Everything legacy should become an option asap, imho.

VGA even I consider to be legacy, but not DVI. For one thing, the connectors are a lot more stable than HDMI and DP, and you can secure them properly. And at least where I live DVI-HDMI cables are at least twice as much as the usual cables. And adapters are always terrible.

 

[Grings]

Nice cards, but its a 980, not a 970 replacement (as the 1080 is a 980ti replacement) pricewise

still, i'm going by pre-order prices of £365 cheapest on ocuk, £400 for FE

If i see them drop closer to 300 i might pick one up (then a 4k monitor and 2nd card at a later date)

 

[bug]

VGA even I consider to be legacy, but not DVI. For one thing, the connectors are a lot more stable than HDMI and DP, and you can secure them properly. And at least where I live DVI-HDMI cables are at least twice as much as the usual cables. And adapters are always terrible.

Not gonna disagree with you there. For every advancement, something good gets left behind. It's they way of the world.
However DVI is (becoming) legacy because it can't do anything more than 2560x1600@60Hz. In a world of 120Hz+ monitors, that's not good enough. It's still useful, that why I thought including a (certified/tested) adapter would be nice for a generation of video cards or two. Just some thoughts, it's not like AMD and Nvidia are following my posts to decide what they should do next.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Nice cards, but its a 980, not a 970 replacement (as the 1080 is a 980ti replacement) pricewise

No they are not. Price has nothing to do with a card's placement in a product stack and what it replaces. The 1070 is the direct replacement for 970, whether you like it or not. What determines replacement is the actual GPU used in the card.

The GP104 chip of the 1080 may outperform the 980Ti, but it is mid-tier chip for Pascal, so it does not replace 980Ti.

I can direct you to the 970 and 980 production having been discontinued.

 

[GreiverBlade]

It's beating Titan X in every single review i've seen and its much much cheaper, so what the hell are everybody crying about..... ffs

aherm ... 580$ is the point i could care less about Titan X prices (probably since the 980Ti are already at a Titan X MSRP price for me ...) much much cheaper ... still too expensive for the segment occupied ... 10XX are ripoff that's all

simply because 1070 could go for as low as 330$ in few months by the RX490 release.

Card would be excellent if one could buy that with that $379 mrsp.

if the price was like that (aka a la 970 launch/1month later) it would be fine, but no: AIB and etailer want to sell it to you for 200$ more, vaseline not include ...

300-380$ are just dreams ... (just like 980 at a "non 980Ti price" ... for me a 980 is still, even now, above 600$ )

for me if AMD play it right and price it adequatly i think i will go Polaris then Vega road ... my 980 is nice but unlike my 290, it only brought me "drivers issues" and not "real" improvement for a price 4 time higher (i paid my 290 150chf the 980 value is 626chf but i could also say that my 290 did cost me 150chf more since i got the 980 in a giveaway, which is the only reason that make it worth something.)

199$/E. That is half the price of a 1070 anyway.

if it was 299$/€ that would be half the price ... at 199 it's a third

 

[bug]

No they are not. Price has nothing to do with a card's placement in a product stack and what it replaces. The 1070 is the direct replacement for 970, whether you like it or not. What determines replacement is the actual GPU used in the card.

The GP104 chip of the 1080 may outperform the 980Ti, but it is mid-tier chip for Pascal, so it does not replace 980Ti.

I can direct you to the 970 and 980 production having been discontinued and 980Ti production still active.

Not sure why you think it has to be that way. Frankly, I don't think it is that way, because neither Nvidia nor AMD has said "this card replaces that card". It's all in some people's head.
Personally, I couldn't care less about what replaces what. To me it's about the level of performance you can get. Then it's about price. And then about power consumption.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Not sure why you think it has to be that way. Frankly, I don't think it is that way, because neither Nvidia nor AMD has said "this card replaces that card".

LOL.

 

[jabbadap]

Gotta wait a while longer for that to be well supported on all cards

Well, that's true. Some older gens cards does not even support h264 4k 60fps clips. And of course there is the thing that if other card has full hw decoder and the other card has only partial, measuring only card power usage is apples to oranges test.

 

[Frick]

However DVI is (becoming) legacy because it can't do anything more than 2560x1600@60Hz. In a world of 120Hz+ monitors, that's not good enough. It's still useful, that why I thought including a (certified/tested) adapter would be nice for a generation of video cards or two. Just some thoughts, it's not like AMD and Nvidia are following my posts to decide what they should do next.

Well that's a fair point. I didn't even know that limitation (I knew it didn't do 4k tho). For high end cards I can understand the sentiment then. Still kinda sucky, I really like the DVI connectors. So stable.

 

[ppn]

980 to 1070 40%, 980Ti to 1080 40%, again improvement. I'm pretty convinced that one replaces the other with a discount of 50$. Lets face it 1070 will be obsoleted by 10% slower card at 250$ in the next 3 to 12 months.
To complete the product line, unknown card should be 40% faster than 970. and another +40% than 960. Now there is not such thing as what "should". There is just what "is". The "should" exists in somebody's head.

 

[nem..]

really worth it the 1070 taking on count it have 25% less cuda cores and right now are sell it on such high prices as 500E ? this have such high irresponsible performace?. no joke i hope this dont delete for i cant learn to make proper post, it be an legit argue.

 

[Dethroy]

Such a butchered card with such a nice performance...
at a rather disappointing price.

 

[raghu78]

This card is found at prices from USD 419-449 at newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709 601202919

To post perf/$ at USD 379 is downright disingenuous and intentionally misleading the consumer. The tech press seems to be an extension of Nvidia's PR nowadays. The price gouging at retailers makes this card even more pathetic.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GKD93IU/?tag=tec06d-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GEYE6YQ/?tag=tec06d-20

"AMD's upcoming Polaris cards will be nowhere near the GTX 1070 in terms of performance. Rather, expect RX 480 to perform about 20-30% slower. But AMD's $199 pricing for the 480 could stir things up, so if you don't need a new card immediately, maybe wait a few weeks and see how things pan out, which would also allow you to see how the custom GTX 1070 designs by board partners turn out."

The worst part is wizzard commenting on Polaris products which are yet to launch and claiming they won't compete with GTX 1070. Does he know the full specs of various Polaris 10 SKUs with price and perf. Rx 480 is the only announced Polaris product. But its one among a family of products to be launched. There are likely to be higher GPUs above Rx 480 and until those are launched/reviewed we won't know anything. Its downright unprofessional to comment on cards you don't know about yet. Anyway I think Polaris 10 is going to surprise one and all. I think we are likely to see intense competition like those during HD 4870/HD 4850 days. The 29th of June could not come sooner.

 

[Dethroy]

"AMD's upcoming Polaris cards will be nowhere near the GTX 1070 in terms of performance. Rather, expect RX 480 to perform about 20-30% slower. But AMD's $199 pricing for the 480 could stir things up, so if you don't need a new card immediately, maybe wait a few weeks and see how things pan out, which would also allow you to see how the custom GTX 1070 designs by board partners turn out."

The worst part is wizzard commenting on Polaris products which are yet to launch and claiming they won't compete with GTX 1070. Does he know the full specs of various Polaris 10 SKUs with price and perf. Rx 480 is the only announced Polaris product. But its one among a family of products to be launched. There are likely to be higher GPUs above Rx 480 and until those are launched/reviewed we won't know anything. Its downright unprofessional to comment on cards you don't know about yet. Anyway I think Polaris 10 is going to surprise one and all. I think we are likely to see intense competition like those during HD 4870/HD 4850 days. The 29th of June could not come sooner.

Pretty sure Wizzard already reviewed the RX 480 but is not allowed to publish the review until the nda gets lifted by AMD.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

This card is found at prices from USD 419-449 at newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709 601202919

To post perf/$ at USD 379 is downright disingenuous and intentionally misleading the consumer. The tech press seems to be an extension of Nvidia's PR nowadays. The price gouging at retailers makes this card even more pathetic.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GKD93IU/?tag=tec06d-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GEYE6YQ/?tag=tec06d-20

"AMD's upcoming Polaris cards will be nowhere near the GTX 1070 in terms of performance. Rather, expect RX 480 to perform about 20-30% slower. But AMD's $199 pricing for the 480 could stir things up, so if you don't need a new card immediately, maybe wait a few weeks and see how things pan out, which would also allow you to see how the custom GTX 1070 designs by board partners turn out."

The worst part is wizzard commenting on Polaris products which are yet to launch and claiming they won't compete with GTX 1070. Does he know the full specs of various Polaris 10 SKUs with price and perf. Rx 480 is the only announced Polaris product. But its one among a family of products to be launched. There are likely to be higher GPUs above Rx 480 and until those are launched/reviewed we won't know anything. Its downright unprofessional to comment on cards you don't know about yet. Anyway I think Polaris 10 is going to surprise one and all. I think we are likely to see intense competition like those during HD 4870/HD 4850 days. The 29th of June could not come sooner.

GTX1070's start @ $600 here and will remain there, as these ass clowns in SA never re-adjust the price points. So much for $380 MSRP right? GTX1080's for $1000, so much for $600 MSRP right?

 

[Fluffmeister]

With these cards flying off the shelves, nVidia must be racking it in.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Pretty sure Wizzard already reviewed the RX 480 but is not allowed to publish the review until the nda gets lifted by AMD.

Mmmm yeah, W1zzard did kinda hint at something special in an earlier post...

Perhaps I should wait for the AMD cards to release first before deciding on purchasing the GTX1070, if it's near the 1070 performance level @ $200... Not more needs to be said, but I will get an AMD card then, would be nice to give nVidia the middle finger as they so clearly love to do to us.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Mmmm yeah, W1zzard did kinda hint at something special in an earlier post...

Perhaps I should wait for the AMD cards to release first before deciding on purchasing the GTX1070, if it's near the 1070 performance level @ $200... Not more needs to be said, but I will get an AMD card then, would be nice to give nVidia the middle finger as they so clearly love to do to us.

It's a free market my man, I'm really not sure why you're getting offended by the price of something no one is forcing you to buy.

No doubt AMD will undercut their currently overpriced products though.

 

[rtwjunkie]

980 to 1070 40%, 980Ti to 1080 40%, again improvement. I'm pretty convinced that one replaces the other with a discount of 50$

Then you don't understand about the way Nvidia's product lineup is named. The 1070 can outperform any Maxwell, but that doesn't change where it sits in the new lineup. In product placement it is the direct replacement for the 970.

Its always been that new models outperform previous year models from one to more levels higher.

Think of it this way. BMW has a 3 series sedan and a 3 series M class. One year, they put an engine in the regular 3 series that is more powerful than the previous year M-class. That doesn't make it an M-class replacement. It just makes it faster.

 

[GhostRyder]

Man...So much red and green comments...Is it Christmas?

980 to 1070 40%, 980Ti to 1080 40%, again improvement. I'm pretty convinced that one replaces the other with a discount of 50$. Lets face it 1070 will be obsoleted by 10% slower card at 250$ in the next 3 to 12 months.
To complete the product line, unknown card should be 40% faster than 970. and another +40% than 960. Now there is not such thing as what "should". There is just what "is". The "should" exists in somebody's head.

Your not getting what hes saying...Its the chip being used and what replaces said chip in the lineup. There will be a GTX 1080ti (And Titan) that have a higher different chip than what is currently available in the GTX 1080 and 1070. The GTX 1080/1070 chip corresponds to the GTA 980/970 and is the direct replacement which is why (Like @rtwjunkie said) they have only stopped producing the GTX 980 and 970. The others are in lower supply but still being made/available for the time being even though the 1080 and 1070 are besting them at better price points. Nvidia has done this for two generations now and that's how they are going to continue it for the forseeable future until they feel the need to change the lineup. Its the way they do things... Nothing in this has to do with the logic of whats more powerful or a better buy, just how the chip maker does things.

 

[geon2k2]

GTX1070's start @ $600 here and will remain there, as these ass clowns in SA never re-adjust the price points. So much for $380 MSRP right? GTX1080's for $1000, so much for $600 MSRP right?

You just made me curious. In my country(EU Est) the 1070 founders edition sells for 530 EUR in one of the major online retailers.

 

[Aquinus]

Still wondering what changed to make 8GB not useless, @W1zzard... You can even go back to the last few 980 Ti reviews and 6GB isn't regarded as useless but, the latest 390 or 390X review will tell you, "8GB provides to tangible benefits," which is dumb because when ever did adding more system memory improve performance when you hadn't already run out? Also how does 6GB help over 4GB but 8GB doesn't? Is the 1070 and 1080 utilizing that 8GB whereas AMD cards aren't? The benefit of 6 or 8GB is not performance, it's running out when you've hit 4GB, that's not a performance improvement, that's longevity. So it's only a con when nVidia puts 12GB on a card but, it's a con when AMD puts 8GB on a card? 6GB is fine but 8GB was too much? Lack of explanation makes me think that there is a little bit of bias when it comes to the conclusions for each review.

Aside from the pro/con for 8GB, great review. I just think that every bullet point in the conclusion should be explained. If something is significant for a summary, there should be enough to be said to explain why it's listed in the first place, otherwise it just feels like marketing because, listing the benefits or downsides that aren't addressed in a review is typically a bad idea. It's harms credibility.

 

[jaggerwild]

Man...So much red and green comments...Is it Christmas?


Your not getting what hes saying...Its the chip being used and what replaces said chip in the lineup. There will be a GTX 1080ti (And Titan) that have a higher different chip than what is currently available in the GTX 1080 and 1070. The GTX 1080/1070 chip corresponds to the GTA 980/970 and is the direct replacement which is why (Like @rtwjunkie said) they have only stopped producing the GTX 980 and 970. The others are in lower supply but still being made/available for the time being even though the 1080 and 1070 are besting them at better price points. Nvidia has done this for two generations now and that's how they are going to continue it for the forseeable future until they feel the need to change the lineup. Its the way they do things... Nothing in this has to do with the logic of whats more powerful or a better buy, just how the chip maker does things.

Thank you!
A few people understand what is going on, while I see Great Spec's on the new 1070/80 they are at best mid tier GPU'S(the graph shows it as such), within a month the whole landscape will change Nvidia has not shown it's best chips yet(great for consumers)as soon the red team will release there card then Green, blah blah. 1070/80 are high, but soon as the next chip by Nvidia drop 1070/80 will be a gem of a price.

 

[trog100]

With these cards flying off the shelves, nVidia must be racking it in.

if there was any amount available to fly off the shelves your comment might have some point.. being as there aint its a bit erroneous..

i am pretty sure that amd are now in the past tense as regards top end cards now.. they will have to compete with mid range and below with extra good prices..

to assume they will be able to do anything else is just wishful thinking.. i recon high prices at the top end are here to stay..

trog

ps.. plus if nvidia are now so far in front they dont have any reason to come up with a TI consumer version they may not bother.. why should they..

 

[nem..]

why if the 1070 FE its almost 100$ more expensive than customs designs this wont include vapor chamber?

heatsink 1070 FE .
http://www.itocp.com/htmls/40/n-6840-2.html

Vapor chamber 1080 FE .
http://www.itocp.com/htmls/50/n-6750-5.html