AMD Radeon RX 480 8 GB

[HumanSmoke]

Did AMD released all Polaris cards ? did you know there APU wiith Polaris to notebooks ?

The discussion has nothing to do with the Polaris cards . The discussion point arose out of casecutter querying what 28nm GPU was used as the baseline for 1.0x perf. As you well know since YOU weighed in with some nonsensical observations. Now you go with the classic lowbrow troll move of trying to deflect the discussion away from its central point

Great logic dude!!!!!

Yeah, it actually makes sense...unlike your poorly cobbled together attempts.

Only two things remain...
I'll report you for trolling just for pro forma sake even though I have more chance of winning the powerball lottery than ever seeing someone censured for trolling on TPU...

...and welcome to my ignore list

 

[Casecutter]

Been in a coma?
AMD's own slide from where the claim was made clearly shows the 28nm GPU baseline as late 2014. The ONLY AMD card launched in that timeframe is the perf/watt dog...R9 285. It's called "setting a low bar"

Odd that would mean they used a gelding, but perhaps your right from the simple slide. I would think they would quantify the parameters in some notes. Perhaps they're indicating the Amethyst XT R9 M295X, we can assume lots of things.

 

[Eroticus]

The discussion has nothing to do with the Polaris cards . The discussion point arose out of casecutter querying what 28nm GPU was used as the baseline for 1.0x perf. As you well know since YOU weighed in with some nonsensical observations. Now you go with the classic lowbrow troll move of trying to deflect the discussion away from its central point

Yeah, it actually makes sense...unlike your poorly cobbled together attempts.

Only two things remain...
I'll report you for trolling just for pro forma sake even though I have more chance of winning the powerball lottery than ever seeing someone censured for trolling on TPU...

...and welcome to my ignore list

Remember what I said about bad logic?
The 280X launched in October 2013....now check the timeline on the AMD slide that positions the 28nm GPU being compared. It shows late 2014
Even if you had used the last HD 7000 rebrand, the R9 280, it launched at the beginning of 2014 and still doesn't correlate to either the slide timeline, nor the architectural presentation that accompanied it. I'm surprised you needed an "nvidia fan" to supply the actual facts on this matter.

"Compare most power full Polaris in Graph to another 28nm cards."

"Gets mad, says he Compares RX480 to the latest that released in late 2014"

I asked you why are you comparing most Powerful Polaris card in the graph if AMD didn't even said which one and didn't released them all.

"Gets mad again and wants to report me "

and I SAID Nonsense, YEAH RIGHT.

Sorry Seems To Be The Hardest Word....

 

[Casecutter]

I'm just asking the question(s) looking to receive the accurate information.

So let me ask... from their side in late 2014 28nm is shown 1x above baseline, and the Polaris is considered 2.5x isn't that also from baseline? Wouldn't the difference be considered as 1.5x between them?

 

[hapkiman]

I'm sorry. Try as I might - I just cannot seem to get excited about the 480. Hopefully Vega shows me something impressive.

 

[rtwjunkie]

No you did.

Making Maxwell cheaper you only drive customers to Maxwell. Every customer gone to Maxwell, will not buy a Pascal card, but more important, will still be an Nvidia customer. And why would someone who just bought a Maxwell card "be more willing to buy their overpriced, overhyped cards"? It doesn't make sense. He just got a new shiny Maxwell card.

If you have "shitloads of the older Maxwells in stocks" with prices that will interest no one, you will probably still have "shitloads of the older Maxwells in stocks" 12 months latter. That doesn't really affect how Pascal cards sell. Having "shitloads of the older Maxwells in stocks" at high prices only affect AIBs and shops having difficulties selling those cards.

Giving those "shitloads of the older Maxwells in stocks" at lower prices, you drive people to those cards which means they are not going to buy Pascal cards because they just got a new card. Especially when those Pascal cards have high prices.

I don't know in how many ways I have to explain it. I thought it was obvious. No. IT IS obvious.

What changed was AMD's RX480. Every customer going to RX480 is a lost customer to Nvidia, more market share for AMD. With no GTX 1060 in the market, Nvidia had to do something fast to not lose customers to AMD, to not have "shitloads of the older Maxwells in stocks" 12 months latter. And the only thing they could do was to lower Maxwell prices.

If the rumors about Polaris having problems where true, if Polaris was pushed back in October, we wouldn't have seen any significant price drops in Maxwel cards, except 980Ti that was way too expensive compared to GTX 1070. Prices would have stayed relatively high until GTX 1060 was released and Maxwell cards would still be selling nicely. With RX480 in the market, who would have gone and bought a GTX 970 if it was $50-$100 more expensive than an RX480? Who would have bought an even more expensive GTX 980? Too few. Not to mention that RX480 would look so much better today with NO competition at it's price range

I wish I had time to give you some courses in business, but let me explain how it works. When a manufacturer has a new model year of anything and too large of an inventory of the old stuff, they will always heavily discount the old stuff so that people will then concentrate on only the new stuff at its increased price, after the old is gone. That's how it works in the USA where both Nvidia and AMD are headquartered.

Yes, that smaller number who bought the old won't buy the new for a year or two, but it eliminates confusion. This way, instead of people wondering for months if they shod buy the expensive item, or the older item that is cheaper and still plenty good, the manufacturer just eliminates that factor. Then all new customers only have a choice of new and expensive and new and almost as expensive.

 

[Eroticus]

I'm just asking the question(s) looking to receive the accurate information.

So let me ask... from their side in late 2014 28nm is show 1x baseline, and the Polaris is considered 2.5x isn't that also from baseline? Wouldn't the difference be considered as 1.5x between them?

1.First Graph from Smoke
1x = 100% Performance, some GPU from late 2014.
2.5 = UP TO 250% Performance, some GPU from late 2016.

2.

2.

In this graph they named both GPUs

270x = 1x(100%) p/w
470x should have UP TO 2.8x(280%) better p/w over 270x

In this graph, you can also notice...

270x*2 and 290*1

I didn't saw the full document and i don't really know what exactly they wrote with small text.. (Marketing_meme.png)

Should be pretty accurate, i think ....

 

[Ungari]

I'm not sure how much NGreedia will benefit from selling Maxwell stocks at cut-rate prices since Pascal is still largely unavailable.
I would think that these cheaper Maxwell cards would take possible Pascal buyers out of the market.

 

[HumanSmoke]

Odd that would mean they used a gelding, but perhaps your right from the simple slide. I would think they would quantify the parameters in some notes. Perhaps they're indicating the Amethyst XT R9 M295X, we can assume lots of things.

I suppose the card could be the mobile M295X, but if you are highlighting a new architecture it would seem strange that AMD would use a perf/watt optimized mobile part for its baseline - that just raises the bar significantly higher to achieve "2.5x perf/watt"

 

[john_]

I wish I had time to give you some courses in business, but let me explain how it works. When a manufacturer has a new model year of anything and too large of an inventory of the old stuff, they will always heavily discount the old stuff so that people will then concentrate on only the new stuff at its increased price, after the old is gone. That's how it works in the USA where both Nvidia and AMD are headquartered.

Yes, that smaller number who bought the old won't buy the new for a year or two, but it eliminates confusion. This way, instead of people wondering for months if they shod buy the expensive item, or the older item that is cheaper and still plenty good, the manufacturer just eliminates that factor. Then all new customers only have a choice of new and expensive and new and almost as expensive.

You just ignore logic because it is extremely difficult for you to accept that Nvidia lowered prices, because of competition. And graphics cards are not refrigerators. There is no confusion when a competitor's model offers the same or higher performance at 2/3 of the price. You either lower prices and keep your market share, or you don't and enjoy "shitloads of the older Maxwells in stocks". And yes, AMD has done in the past, what Nvidia did now. It was when GTX 970 came out. But they didn't dropped prices back then because they where going to show a new card. They did it because GTX 970 made 290 series cards non competitive. The same happened now, but I guess you have a problem to even think that Nvidia was in any way forced by an AMD product to adjust prices.

 

[PopcornMachine]

Summary of why I and a lot of people find the RX 480 disappointing.

Never before has new generation card not been more powerful as the previous generation, which in this case is the fury.

Reviewers have gone out of there way to applaud AMD's pricing of the card, and they did do the right thing there. But was that the plan? I don't think so.

I think AMD saw their new hardware had some good advances, but was embarrassed by Nvidia's new cards. To market it as mid-range was their only choice. The pull forward of the Vega was another necessity due to the lackluster performance of Polaris. And the publicizing of that card's 'development milestone' the same week was another attempt to distract us from the reality of Polaris.

All in all, a disappointment. I'm fine with my year old GTX 970 for now and will wait and see how things shake out. Was hoping for more from AMD, and I think they were too.

 

[rtwjunkie]

@john_ go ahead and ignore the fact that 290 series was still new and current then. They did that to compete. Nvidia did this with old stock because it is competing with its own overpriced product. Not even close to the same situation. If it were, 1080 and 1070 prices would have been slashed.

Don't act like I'm the AMD hater here. Read the thread. I'm one of the only ones that hasn't said how much the 480 sucks compared to the expectations they had for it.

I'm out of this conversation. It's extremely hard to have a logical conversation with extreme belief people and not worth getting worked up over.

 

[OneCool]

I hate it for AMD but being a LONG time supporter... losing me really fast. hype,hype,hype....then not even average. 2 years of put offs with Samsung's help on 14nm . could have refined 28 just one more time and got the same shit

 

[Ungari]

Summary of why I and a lot of people find the RX 480 disappointing.

Never before has new generation card not been more powerful as the previous generation, which in this case is the fury.

Reviewers have gone out of there way to applaud AMD's pricing of the card, and they did do the right thing there. But was that the plan? I don't think so.

I think AMD saw their new hardware had some good advances, but was embarrassed by Nvidia's new cards. To market it as mid-range was their only choice. The pull forward of the Vega was another necessity due to the lackluster performance of Polaris. And the publicizing of that card's 'development milestone' the same week was another attempt to distract us from the reality of Polaris.

All in all, a disappointment. I'm fine with my year old GTX 970 for now and will wait and see how things shake out. Was hoping for more from AMD, and I think they were too.

You must have missed AMDs announcements about their strategy for Polaris and Vega.
The RX 480 was never designed to compete with high end cards, but the mainstream market under $300 where the vast majority of sales are; over 80% of video card purchases.
Now Vega is to be in the upper middle and higher tier of the market, and quite frankly AMD does not even have to beat Pascal, just give price to performance to be competitive at those price points.

 

[Eroticus]

Why every one is comparing GTX 970 to RX 480 ?

Why no one didn't compare GTX 960 to R9 290 ?

Why GTX 760 didn't beat re branded series from AMD ?

Stock GTX 970 had high temperature and 41dbA.

Nvidia advertised the GTX 970 as high end full DirectX12.1 support , having 4GB of vram running at 224GB/s, it was later revealed that the first 3.5Gb operates at 192GB/s (7/8th) while remaining were slowed than Chinese sd-card, with bugged DirectX12 support.
GTX 970 didn't even beat 400$ R9-290, and was loved by millions.

Sounds like apple product with right marketing.


@rtwjunkie by ur logic , 700$ -780 Ti and 650$ 780 is both new GPUs.

 

[rtwjunkie]

@rtwjunkie by ur logic , 700$ -780 Ti and 650$ 780 is both new GPUs

???????????? Er, what?!?
I'm completely unable to follow whatever thought process brought that on. But just to establish the record, my wtf response should firmly establish that i don't think that.

 

[Eroticus]

???????????? Er, what?!?

290x - October 24, 2013
780 Ti - November 7, 2013

I smell double standards ..

 

[R-T-B]

I'm out of this conversation. It's extremely hard to have a logical conversation with extreme belief people and not worth getting worked up over.

Me too. This whole thread reminds me why I am not a mod (the "ban everyone in this thread" button would be my first goto in this situation.)

 

[PopcornMachine]

You must have missed AMDs announcements about their strategy for Polaris and Vega.
The RX 480 was never designed to compete with high end cards, but the mainstream market under $300 where the vast majority of sales are; over 80% of video card purchases.
Now Vega is to be in the upper middle and higher tier of the market, and quite frankly AMD does not even have to beat Pascal, just give price to performance to be competitive at those price points.

Those announcements came after they found out what they had.

 

[rtwjunkie]

290x - October 24, 2013
780 Ti - November 7, 2013

I smell double standards ..

That was John's example. Have you forgotten your meds today, perchance???

EDITED to reflect that it was John_ who made the 290 price drop argument I was countering, not Eroticus, who apparently was confused, acting as if I made that argument. I can only assume he must have John_ on ignore or something.

 

[nem..]

Seems like Tpu f*ed up. All other sites are quoting lower power consumptions.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10446/the-amd-radeon-rx-480-preview/6

While I was watching in TechPowerUp the CF RX 480 review , and nothing make sense with some videos on youtube and even they did not bench the AOS game .. and something made me remember that long ago was wrote in TechPowerUp, the conclusions of the review of the GTX980, I repeat they were talking about an Nvidia Gpu, look well what they say at the end.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/31.html

 

[Eroticus]

That was YOUR example. Have you forgotten your meds today, perchance???

780 Ti was overpriced and released after 290x, and didn't even beat it.

and Nvidia rushed to Release 900 series, and what happen when you rush ur products ?

Nvidia advertised the GTX 970 as high end full DirectX12.1 support , having 4GB of vram running at 224GB/s, it was later revealed that the first 3.5Gb operates at 192GB/s (7/8th) while remaining were slower than Chinese sd-card, with bugged DirectX12 support.
GTX 970 didn't even beat 400$ R9-290, and was loved by millions.

I love how some TPU users joining to AMD topic and and trying to spear green propaganda how good was high end GTX 970 and you could buy it 1 year ago.

But when you are trying to say, they are wrong, both cards doesn't even belong to same class, GTX 960 didn't beat 290 to, and we didn't compare both cards vs each other.

They got mad, blame you and tell you that they will quit from topic.

Spoiler: The Way It's Meant To Be Paid

http://i.imgur.com/3sWCghS.png

 

[nem..]

1.First Graph from Smoke
1x = 100% Performance, some GPU from late 2014.
2.5 = UP TO 250% Performance, some GPU from late 2016.


In this graph they named both GPUs

270x = 1x(100%) p/w
470x should have UP TO 2.8x(280%) better p/w over 270x

In this graph, you can also notice...

270x*2 and 290*1

I didn't saw the full document and i don't really know what exactly they wrote with small text.. (Marketing_meme.png)

Should be pretty accurate, i think ....

380x -> 480

where 380x based on an chip of 366 mm² with tdp of 190w and polaris be on chip of 232mm2 with 150w tdp

in all scenarios (4k, 2k 1080p 900p) from 280x to 480x can se viewed an 50% of increment , and better on each scenario to the perf / w of 960.

quoting tpu

finally on performance on gamming 45% faster than same die size chip of 960 on DX11

 

[Bluescreendeath]

Yes there is. The 970 offers about the same performance for $265. And that's for custom solutions which are already overclocked and will match 480's performance in this review. Yes, there will be custom, overclocked 480s, but they will also cost more than the MSRP.

$265 is $65 more than the RX 480 4GB version, which performs roughly the same as or slightly better than the GTX970. That's a 33% price premium for the GTX970 despite zero improvement in performance and roughly the same power draw. With the same performance/electrical consumption as the Maxwell series, that's pretty decent considering how efficient the Maxwells are.

If AMD fixes the PCIe power draw and cooler issues, then they have a winner. They basically created an overclocked GTX970 that sells for $200. You can't compare it to Pascal cards because Pascals are all high end and cost significantly more. Nvidia has no plans to retire the lower end Maxwells GTX950, 960s, etc. Even the GTX1060 will still be a good deal more expensive than the RX 480.

 

[NC37]

Before the launch date....buzz is:

"Insane overclocking!"
"390X performance for $200 at a fraction of the power draw!!!"
"It'll be a Crossfire monster!!"

AMD launches 480...

"Terrible overclocking"
"Sub 390 performance"
"Crossfire doesn't work with really anything."

Moral of the story is...whenever AMD pimps a performance increase based on power draw, you know when it finally releases it's going to disappoint. They did it with Fury and they did it with Nano. With 1060 coming, nVidia has effectively killed the hope of AMD's Polaris GPUs.