AMD Radeon RX 470 and RX 460 Official Specifications Leaked

[Captain_Tom]

Just wait for the reviews, a GTX750Ti is not a bad card either, I don't expect a RX460 that much faster.

I would expect 30%+ faster

 

[ArdWar]

Do they call 1280x720 HD gaming or something or what?

Yes. While there's no standard for gaming, by TV stadard 720p is HD. 1080p is Full HD.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Hmm does W1zzard have R9-380x, would be interesting to see clock to clock comparison with RX 470(shader count is the same).

Good question. I think he only reviewed 2 of them, abstaining from the best one, the Sapphire. It would indeed be good to see if this ends up being an upgrade. We already know the RX-480 is.

 

[little cat]

My only question is whether the 460 is any good for 60 FPS with decent settings @ 1080P for AAA titles (minus Crysis, of course), and if IT is the best choice at this price point in terms of perf/buck.

RX 470 is
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/radeon-rx-470-benchmarks.html

 

[GoldenX]

Well, the 460 is 2x-3x my current card, good enough for my 1440x900.

 

[cdawall]

Why is the RX460 getting so much flack? That is going to be the midrange gaming card stuffed into tons of OEM's. It is aimed to take the "e-sports" position so 1080P at medium settings with >60FPS.

 

[Casecutter]

why is it being compared with the 270 and 260 and not the 370 and 360?

270 is better than 370; thats why.

R9 270
TMUs: 80
ROPs: 32
Compute Units: 20

R7 370
TMUs: 64
ROPs: 32
Compute Units: 16
Even with the higher Boost the R7 370 received, the 270 is to me the better one to compare to. The R7 370 (Trinidad PRO) must of had some production "mojo" as they up the clocks, all while reducing the TDP from the R9 270's 150W to 110W.

Currently looking for a replacement for my GTX750ti

While I'd believe the 460 will be faster I don't see it as the offering enough rungs up the ladder to see huge seat of the pants difference. Cards like nicer 750Ti/260X where "entry" 1080p, I'd say a 460 will end up generally sparing with the GTX 950. If the 950 was enough of a bump to justify the move a couple of months back you would've, this isn't really effecting that any differently, even now with prices dropping huge on those. A 470 will work more up to what Uber 960's / 380 offered. I see that as providing a good 4-5 rungs up, a prodigious jump into 1080p. If you're hoping to hold out with some low-Watt OEM PSU, don't just go find a nicer 80+ that's ~400W and stop the insanity.

 

[Dimi]

Those Doom & GTA V benchmarks are complete BS. Unless they are running those games at 640x480 coupled with a high end cpu.

People seem to forget that these new polaris cards require high end cpu's to score such high numbers in Doom using the Vulkan API.

According to the Steam hardware survey of last month, 47% still uses an intel dual core cpu and barely over 3% has a cpu clocked higher than 3.7 ghz.

I've posted this screenshot before but people can't overlook this.

There's 4 FPS difference between all 3 cpu's with the 1060 and there's 50!!!! fps difference with the RX 480.

The 460 and 470 are budget gpu's and they will most likely be paired with older or budget cpu's.

http://i.imgur.com/Pg4xTmn.png

 

[Captain_Tom]

Those Doom & GTA V benchmarks are complete BS. Unless they are running those games at 640x480 coupled with a high end cpu.

People seem to forget that these new polaris cards require high end cpu's to score such high numbers in Doom using the Vulkan API.

According to the Steam hardware survey of last month, 47% still uses an intel dual core cpu and barely over 3% has a cpu clocked higher than 3.7 ghz.

I've posted this screenshot before but people can't overlook this.

There's 4 FPS difference between all 3 cpu's with the 1060 and there's 50!!!! fps difference with the RX 480.

The 460 and 470 are budget gpu's and they will most likely be paired with older or budget cpu's.

http://i.imgur.com/Pg4xTmn.png

You're right Nvidia GPU's are great for those with Peasant systems

 

[Alduin]

Efficiency wise Polaris is at maxwell level
In that case, RX 460 is expected to be about as fast as a GTX 750 Ti

So, how revolutionary 99$ for a product like that would be, if the GTX 750 Ti is already being sold for 99$?

Don't mistake
Rx 460 is based on polaris 11 which is more power efficient than polaris 10
And performance of 460 is clearly faster than gtx 750 ti

 

[ShurikN]

Don't mistake
Rx 460 is based on polaris 11 which is more power efficient than polaris 10
And perfomance of 460 is clearly faster than gtx 750 ti

TBH, we wont know that until the tests.
When the RX480 was announced at 150W, a lot of ppl assumed (myself included) it will actually be at 110-120W during gaming load. And we all know how that turned out.

 

[Captain_Tom]

TBH, we wont know that until the tests.

The 260X and 750 Ti were neck and neck in performance, so this thing will likely be 30% and use 40-60w.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I don't think it is more power efficient. It's just a smaller chip so it uses less power. Kind of like a 13.0L I-6 diesel engine can be expected to consume a lot more fuel than a 2.0L I-4 at the same RPM.

 

[Captain_Tom]

I don't think it is more power efficient. It's just a smaller chip so it uses less power. Kind of like a 13.0L I-6 diesel engine can be expected to consume a lot more fuel than a 2.0L I-4 at the same RPM.

No the rumor is in fact that the 470 is more efficient than the 480, and the 460 is more efficient than the 470.

The 470 uses 70% as much energy for 85% the performance of the 480. This is because the 14nm process is still maturing and so bigger dies are not getting efficient yields yet.

 

[arbiter]

Those Doom & GTA V benchmarks are complete BS. Unless they are running those games at 640x480 coupled with a high end cpu.

People seem to forget that these new polaris cards require high end cpu's to score such high numbers in Doom using the Vulkan API.

According to the Steam hardware survey of last month, 47% still uses an intel dual core cpu and barely over 3% has a cpu clocked higher than 3.7 ghz.

I've posted this screenshot before but people can't overlook this.

There's 4 FPS difference between all 3 cpu's with the 1060 and there's 50!!!! fps difference with the RX 480.

The 460 and 470 are budget gpu's and they will most likely be paired with older or budget cpu's.

http://i.imgur.com/Pg4xTmn.png

Yea that is not a good trend needing power of higher end intel for 480 to take the lead. Even ignoring the fact that vulkan was original Mantle and they had least 2 year head start optimizing their hardware/software for it.

Hopefully some other sites will see that and investigate this to add more validation to this if its true or not.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

No the rumor is in fact that the 470 is more efficient than the 480, and the 460 is more efficient than the 470.

The 470 uses 70% as much energy for 85% the performance of the 480. This is because the 14nm process is still maturing and so bigger dies are not getting efficient yields yet.

But you have to bare in mind that 480 was pegged to 150w. The 470 and 460 aren't going to try to hard to stay below a power threshold. They'll be significantly below it.

 

[dyonoctis]

Those Doom & GTA V benchmarks are complete BS. Unless they are running those games at 640x480 coupled with a high end cpu.

People seem to forget that these new polaris cards require high end cpu's to score such high numbers in Doom using the Vulkan API.

According to the Steam hardware survey of last month, 47% still uses an intel dual core cpu and barely over 3% has a cpu clocked higher than 3.7 ghz.

I've posted this screenshot before but people can't overlook this.

There's 4 FPS difference between all 3 cpu's with the 1060 and there's 50!!!! fps difference with the RX 480.

The 460 and 470 are budget gpu's and they will most likely be paired with older or budget cpu's.

http://i.imgur.com/Pg4xTmn.png

I think that the Doom test was made with vulkan enabled. I only have a core i5 4440 @3.1GHZ and my R9 270x went from 30 fps with open gl to 50 with vulkan. But apparently AMD always had more trouble than nvidia when it comes to dealing with weak CPU. (And the fact that all the cpu review are made with nvidia gpu doesn't help to get more data on that).

The good old QX6850 can do well in some recent games, but again, they only used Nvidia card.

 

[dyonoctis]

I've tried to launch doom with only 2 core active, but it's always crashing, so I can't tell if a modern core i3/pentium will get bad performance with Doom+vulkan.

 

[Sempron Guy]

the 460 will be a perfect replacement for my century old HD5750 XD. I can probably play nba 2k15 on max out settings at 1080p now plus a bunch of old RTS games.

 

[arbiter]

I think that the Doom test was made with vulkan enabled. I only have a core i5 4440 @3.1GHZ and my R9 270x went from 30 fps with open gl to 50 with vulkan. But apparently AMD always had more trouble than nvidia when it comes to dealing with weak CPU. (And the fact that all the cpu review are made with nvidia gpu doesn't help to get more data on that).

It was talked about some time ago that nvidia drivers seem to be less cpu taxing compared to amd, probably reason why DX11 games were so much more efficient on nvidia cards.

 

[GoldenX]

Nvidia spent a lot of money on reducing CPU overhead in their OpenGL and DirectX11 drivers, it must be that. Aaand, their architecture is optimized for those APIs instead of Vulkan and DX12. Similar to how GCN cards are worse by comparision than Terascale ones (HD2000-HD6000) on DirectX 9.

 

[dyonoctis]

I've seen a video of someone running doom with a core i3 and a radeon R9 380x with vulkan, the performance was close to what you can get with a Intel Core i7-5930K. So i'm guessing only ppl with a cpu weaker than a sandy bridge i3 will get lower performance.

But to be honest, if you are going for a gpu aimed at 1080p high/ultra setting there is a small problem if you still have a 2009 cpu (and dual core at that). A recent core i3 can even outperform a 1st gen core i5 in other task than gaming. And some games won't even start if you don't have a at least 4 virtual core. A core i3 and a entry level motherboard only cost 150$.

 

[GoldenX]

It costs that on first world countries. But yeah, a Skylake i3/Pentium is WAY better than my quad core Phenom II.

 

[Ruru]

I've tried to launch doom with only 2 core active, but it's always crashing, so I can't tell if a modern core i3/pentium will get bad performance with Doom+vulkan.

At least it ran fine with Pentium G3258 @ 4.5GHz + R9 290 @ 1100MHz at ultra settings.

 

[Prima.Vera]

GTA V 74fps? What resolution and what settings....

800x600 High Settings.

Those cards are slapping 3dFX's VooDoo3 in the face!