AMD Details ZEN Microarchitecture IPC Gains

[btarunr]

Ive seen now, in a couple threads, you keep saying "October". The latest I recall seeing is 4Q 2016. This means Oct-Dec. Sorry to split hairs, but, people will take that and run with it.

That said, if you have a link that shows October, post it up!

Your point? Did you quote the wrong person? He didn't say nor allude to that fact. He is looking for better than Intel performance.

AFAIK Q1-2017. Kaby Lake will be out before this.

 

[dj-electric]

Intel doesn't make 40% jumps between generations...

Because they have no drive to do so. Why would they waste potential gains

 

[$ReaPeR$]

Given how gamers will be suckered by hype again and again and again despite having been burned enough to need a skin graft, I'd say its human nature to fall for this PR BS. investors are definitely not immune to that (theranos, anybody?)

i guess you are right, human nature is a bitch to avoid..

Intel doesn't make 40% jumps between generations...

if im not mistaken the last "big" perf jump for intel was sandy bridge, and that was a long time ago..

reading this. knowing it will be out somewhere in october . i would postpone building a i5 6600k pc. whats 2 moremonths considering i will be having this computer for about 3-4 years.

if you can wait, you might end up with an 8core instead of a 4core. imo its worth the wait.

 

[Fx]

Enough PowerPoint slides. Take my money and give me Zen.

 

[dyonoctis]

I'm rather skeptical on power draw claims after rather disappointing results on 480, will wait for benchmarks (although not from TPU, sorry guys)

You can't really judge the work of a company on their cpu by looking at their gpu. Remember Larrabee from intel ? We could have though that this thing was going to be awesome because intel cpu are good. Yet intel choose to give up on making this a gpu because it couldn't compete with what amd and nvidia were offering. It's two different world, and despite having lot of money, intel does not have the experience required to make gaming gpu.

 

[GoFigureItOut]

AMD is making all kinds of gains!!

 

[Cvrk]

Enough PowerPoint slides. Take my money and give me Zen.

You got an 8 core. Please tell us, just how good is it ? From "powerPoints" alone we can tell it's not a i7 8 core. But in real life ? How much does it help in games ? In basic day 2 day tasks ?

 

[Fx]

You got an 8 core. Please tell us, just how good is it ? From "powerPoints" alone we can tell it's not a i7 8 core. But in real life ? How much does it help in games ? In basic day 2 day tasks ?

I have a 980ti paired with the 8350. I game in 1080p and turn settings up from very high to ultra depending the game so it handles my gaming needs just fine. I do a lot of h.264 encoding (single-threaded CPU task) and it performs reasonably well.

Even if AMD is fluffing numbers to reach 40% (which I'm sure they are to some extent), it matters not because I think it is reasonable to expect no less than 15-20% performance increase. I would be perfectly happy with that.

 

[EarthDog]

it matters not because I think it is reasonable to expect no less than 15-20% performance increase. I would be perfectly happy with that.

You would be about the only one happy with that...

Even the most loyal are in a 'poop or get off the pot' mentality. Sandybridge like performance isn't enough.

 

[Fx]

You would be about the only one happy with that...

Even the most loyal are in a 'poop or get off the pot' mentality. Sandybridge like performance isn't enough.

Not even close. AMD aren't in a position to price gouge with their CPUs and so they don't. Thus, the performance that they offer is always at great value. The 8350 is easily handling my needs now, an estimated 20% bump is no small difference for many users.

In your mind, you see people as irritated with AMD and having abandoned ship. With that mentality, I would have dumped AMD 7-9 years ago. Yet here we are after all of these years still buying AMD, still appreciating value, and still supporting the underdog. There are many people who like me have their own reasons for purchasing AMD.

 

[f22a4bandit]

Even if AMD is fluffing numbers to reach 40% (which I'm sure they are to some extent), it matters not because I think it is reasonable to expect no less than 15-20% performance increase. I would be perfectly happy with that.

I've patiently held onto my i7 960 waiting to see the next offering from AMD before building a new PC. I really hope it's more in line with the 40% figure. If they only deliver an increase half that amount it'll become a huge disappointment and, quite frankly, a failure in enthusiasts' eyes. After all, it's usually the enthusiasts who write CPU reviews.

 

[Fx]

I've patiently held onto my i7 960 waiting to see the next offering from AMD before building a new PC. I really hope it's more in line with the 40% figure. If they only deliver an increase half that amount it'll become a huge disappointment and, quite frankly, a failure in enthusiasts' eyes. After all, it's usually the enthusiasts who write CPU reviews.

I too hope that it is closer to 40% and hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Enthusiasts aren't where the money is at. AMD has been in the market of 'value' for quite some time now. Zen isn't about being the king of the hill; it is about being the comeback architecture (which scales into the server market) that AMD needs to start making serious profit again and gaining market share.

 

[alucasa]

All these hypes AMD is throwing out...

You know, it's really Déjà vu. I am about to pull trigger on 5820k in a month or two.

 

[Fx]

All these hypes AMD is throwing out...

You know, it's really Déjà vu. I am about to pull trigger on 5820k in a month or two.

You can't go wrong with that or the 6700k. It mainly comes down to lanes and connectivity options you want.

 

[EarthDog]

Not even close. AMD aren't in a position to price gouge with their CPUs and so they don't. Thus, the performance that they offer is always at great value. The 8350 is easily handling my needs now, an estimated 20% bump is no small difference for many users.

In your mind, you see people as irritated with AMD and having abandoned ship. With that mentality, I would have dumped AMD 7-9 years ago. Yet here we are after all of these years still buying AMD, still appreciating value, and still supporting the underdog. There are many people who like me have their own reasons for purchasing AMD.

If these chips perform on par or close (5%) to Latest/last gen Intel, you can bet your red arse they are going to jack the prices. Not to where Intel is, but most certainly a lot more than where it is. And if they fall 20% short again which is "OK" with you, they will be right back in the bargain bin for pricing.

People are tired of them not coming close to Intel. Sure, things are fine if you like glass ceilings on things, and 20% isn't anything to shake a stick at, but many people really REALLY want AMD right up there with INtel. There are always those what will flock to the underdog 'because', as there are those that will always flock to the front runner. Its the fat in the middle they are playing for. The better AMD comes out, the more swings that way. If they match/close in IPC to Intel, they hit a home run... 20% is not (remotely) "close" to Intel. Closer? Surely.

In my mind? Look at this and nearly every other forum not named AMD or Rage 3D.

 

[alucasa]

You can't go wrong with that or the 6700k. It mainly comes down to lanes and connectivity options you want.

I need more cores for rendering. That's all. PCI-e lanes don't matter to me at all. Connectivity doesn't matter. Just need more cores.

 

[dyonoctis]

Eh. I don't think that 40% over excavator is being too optimistic. Unlike excavator zen is going to feature real full cores. If you look at threads that are doing blender cycles benchmark, you can see that 8cores FX cpu can only be put against intel 4 cores I7:

*AMD FX-8350
Windows ~ 4 min
Linux ~ 2:30 min
*i7-3770
Windows ~ 3:30 min
Linux ~ 2 min
*i7-4770
Windows ~ 2 min
Linux ~ 1:30 min
source: https://blenderartists.org/forum/sh...is-better-for-Blender-AMD-FX-8350-vs-i7-3770k

Now AMD showed a 8 core zen cpu who could trade punch with a 8 core from intel, according to those data, that's a freaking huge improvement on that particular test. We don't know the full picture yet, but we do know that zen is going to be way better than excavator. 2017 will be when we will know if zen got 40% in task that are not multithreaded.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Eh. I don't think that 40% over excavator is being too optimistic. Unlike excavator zen is going to feature real full cores. If you look at threads that are doing blender cycles benchmark, you can see that 8cores FX cpu can only be put against intel 4 cores I7:

*AMD FX-8350
Windows ~ 4 min
Linux ~ 2:30 min
*i7-3770
Windows ~ 3:30 min
Linux ~ 2 min
*i7-4770
Windows ~ 2 min
Linux ~ 1:30 min
source: https://blenderartists.org/forum/sh...is-better-for-Blender-AMD-FX-8350-vs-i7-3770k

Now AMD showed a 8 core zen cpu who could trade punch with a 8 core from intel, according to those data, that's a freaking huge improvement on that particular test. We don't know the full picture yet, but we do know that zen is going to be way better than excavator. 2017 will be when we will know if zen got 40% in task that are not multithreaded.

Is there a blender ver with FMA support...b/c FMA hauls ass on BD.

And look how shitty windows is. Screw you, M$.

Zen benchies under linux may be off the charts for what it is. BD is very competitive in parallelized loads (that are optimized, so nothing on windows lol).

 

[JrockTech]

This is awesome. I've started saving my pennies already.

Testing the overclocking capabilities of a new generation is a lot of fun and the community gets really involved. Can't wait.

 

[dyonoctis]

Is there a blender ver with FMA support...b/c FMA hauls ass on BD.

And look how shitty windows is. Screw you, M$.

Zen benchies under linux may be off the charts for what it is. BD is very competitive in parallelized loads (that are optimized, so nothing on windows lol).

I've read on ars technica that some 3D rendering software were generally slower on windows because of the way they are compiled. Apparently the compilator used on unix system is faster than most of windows compilator. Intel c++ seems to be the fastest compiler, but doesn't seem to be used much.

 

[Super XP]

all this is fine but with no benchmarks, there is really no point in this pr crap.

Then why does Intel do this?
PR is highly important at this stage. The key thing people need to realize is Jim Keller designed ZEN. It's going to be a monster CPU. Just like how it was in the good old Athlon 64 days.

 

[Super XP]

Question for the Author or anybody that my have an answer. Will ZEN be using Hyper Transport Technology? I visited the website and the latest upgrade was in 2009 HTT 3.1.
They also have something called Hyper Share.
http://www.hypertransport.org/default.cfm?page=Home

 

[cyneater]

Question for the Author or anybody that my have an answer. Will ZEN be using Hyper Transport Technology? I visited the website and the latest upgrade was in 2009 HTT 3.1.
They also have something called Hyper Share.
http://www.hypertransport.org/default.cfm?page=Home

Id say so.
Since hyper transport was a based DEC technology can't remember what it was called but it was used in there DEC alpha and the EV6 bus.

Jim Keller who worked for DEC designed the original AMD K8 aka Athlon 64 ( last time AMD had a Pentium 4 killer was winning.) Is the same guy who designed ZEN so lets keep fingers crossed.

 

[Cvrk]

Jim Keller who worked for DEC designed the original AMD K8 aka Athlon 64 ( last time AMD had a Pentium 4 killer was winning.) Is the same guy who designed ZEN so lets keep fingers crossed.

THIS! Just can't remember the guys name. Must be Jim.... i guess. read about this guy and his work, back in 2005. remember that year well

 

[$ReaPeR$]

Then why does Intel do this?
PR is highly important at this stage. The key thing people need to realize is Jim Keller designed ZEN. It's going to be a monster CPU. Just like how it was in the good old Athlon 64 days.

look mate, this is a tech forum, so most people here understand that whatever benchmarks come out of a company's marketing division are going to be pr crap. at least i hope most people here get that. there is no point in riding the damn hype train. i want zen to be good, but there is no need to get hyper excited and then bitch about it not meeting your extremely high expectations.