results of my new GTX1070 FE, is it normal?

[GreiverBlade]

II am a person who like to have everything maxed out no matter what..

and you sell a 1080 to get a 1070 instead of a Titan X Pascal ... that's not how you have everything maxed out ...

PS: pushing settings to the max specially AA are not ... visually enhancing worth over the stress/load they put on the hardware, most games you see no big difference between high-very high-ultra

altho ... my 1070 play all my games on ultra mostly fine ... well i didn't take a FE ... (Ark Survival: Evolved is a fun test in the epic setting, aka: the one that recommend you to get a Titan X Maxwell for it ... )

GTX1080ti I WILL WAIT FOR YOU....ahahahaha

and you will be disappointed by it ... either by the price or the performances ... i can foresee (joking)

your rig is almost like mine, with a slightly oversized PSU and Hyperthreading cpu type ... i wonder why i am alright, lowering AA is not the only thing, i consider a game maxed out even without AA, custom preset for me always involve setting them to ultra and just turning AA off

Even if your 1070 maxes out games right now, I suspect it won't be long before system requirements go up and you'll be selling it for another 1080. (..and then again after a while for a 1080 Ti.).

and it will be the day a 980Ti will not be enough as "recommended max settings" GPU .... for 1080p 60hz the 1070 still have quite some months/year before her

PS: let down the Hybrid thing ... a normal custom model with a good cooler like the ACX 3.0, TwinFrozr VI or any other brand dual/triple fan, are enough for the cards, hybrid is ... meh ... and overpriced (custom water cooling is more rewarding and worth it ... but not for everybody )

PPS: save some more bucks ... get a 6600K over a 6700K (joking again no worries the i7 is most fine, who can do more can do less )

 

[RodoGodo19]

and you sell a 1080 to get a 1070 instead of a Titan X Pascal ... that's not how you have everything maxed out ...

PS: pushing settings to the max specially AA are not ... visually enhancing worth over the stress/load they put on the hardware, most games you see no big difference between high-very high-ultra

altho ... my 1070 play all my games on ultra mostly fine ... well i didn't take a FE ... (Ark Survival: Evolved is a fun test in the epic setting, aka: the one that recommend you to get a Titan X Maxwell for it ... )


and you will be disappointed by it ... either by the price or the performances ... i can foresee (joking)

your rig is almost like mine, with a slightly oversized PSU and Hyperthreading cpu type ... i wonder why i am alright, lowering AA is not the only thing, i consider a game maxed out even without AA, custom preset for me always involve setting them to ultra and just turning AA off


and it will be the day a 980Ti will not be enough as "recommended max settings" GPU .... for 1080p 60hz the 1070 still have quite some months/year before her

PS: let down the Hybrid thing ... a normal custom model with a good cooler like the ACX 3.0, TwinFrozr VI or any other brand dual/triple fan, are enough for the cards, hybrid is ... meh ... and overpriced (custom water cooling is more rewarding and worth it ... but not for everybody )

I had the oportunnity to buy the ACX FTW model, but, guess what, I only like FE version
I had 780 reference design, 780ti reference design and now 1070 FE too

 

[qubit]

I thought let me save some money and sell the GTX1080 because I'm getting a lot of FPS that I don't need because my monitor is 60hz.
After, I bought the GTX1070 and I saved like $220.

But, I change the settings on AS Syndicate from NVIDIA PCSS + ULTRA to just NVIDIA PCSS and now I'm getting 55-65 FPS.

I am a person who like to have everything maxed out no matter what.

I was playing DOOM right now and I got 100-120 FPS maxed out, dammn.....
Maybe I have a good card for a good money (the thing is that I like the FE model guys) I just need to change a few settings that we don't see the difference, really..

I changed the default Fan Curve and I put 80% fan speed above 60 C and now the GPU is at 72 C max.

Assuming no software glitches are reducing your performance, you've just found out the hard way why people spend the big bucks on the top end models. Always check the reviews (especially TPU's) so that you have a good idea what the performance differences are in popular games, likely the ones you play too.

 

[RodoGodo19]

Assuming no software glitches are reducing your performance, you've just found out the hard way why people spend the big bucks on the top end models. Always check the reviews (especially TPU's) so that you have a good idea what the performance differences are in popular games, likely the ones you play too.

I saw them before buying my 1070 and they said a lot of FPS in every single game I play, guess what, that is a lie..
I don't get those FPS they said

 

[GreiverBlade]

I had the oportunnity to buy the ACX FTW model, but, guess what, I only like FE version
I had 780 reference design, 780ti reference design and now 1070 reference design too

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nonetheless, what's the point in liking a gimped down (power phase and cooler ) reference model ... the cooler is a blower type (the less desirable type unless for a extra small case where a direct back exhaust is useful ) and downright ugly (personal matter i reckon) if custom water block manufacturer only did block for reference model i would understand (although it would still be a gimped card )

FE are just rip off reference with a overprice

you've just found out the hard way why people spend the big bucks on the top end models

and my wallet is thanking me for my actual 1070 ... a little OC and a 1070 is at 1080 stock level (not that it's needed in my case ... )

guess what, that is a lie..I don't get those FPS they said

well why do i get similar results to the reviews then ... (except on OC'ability mostly but that's logical)

 

[RodoGodo19]

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nonetheless, what's the point in liking a gimped down (power phase and cooler ) reference model ... the cooler is a blower type (the less desirable type unless for a extra small case where a direct back exhaust is useful ) and downright ugly (personal matter i reckon) if custom water block manufacturer only did block for reference model i would understand (although it would still be a gimped card )

FE are just rip off reference with a overprice


and my wallet is thanking me for my actual 1070 ... a little OC and a 1070 is at 1080 stock level (not that it's needed in my case ... )


well why do i get similar results to the reviews then ... (except on OC mostly but that's logical

I have a Nano S Mini ITX, I want to keep the hot air outside of the case.
For some reason I'm not getting the FPS they said in every game.

 

[RodoGodo19]

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nonetheless, what's the point in liking a gimped down (power phase and cooler ) reference model ... the cooler is a blower type (the less desirable type unless for a extra small case where a direct back exhaust is useful ) and downright ugly (personal matter i reckon) if custom water block manufacturer only did block for reference model i would understand (although it would still be a gimped card )

FE are just rip off reference with a overprice


and my wallet is thanking me for my actual 1070 ... a little OC and a 1070 is at 1080 stock level (not that it's needed in my case ... )


well why do i get similar results to the reviews then ... (except on OC mostly but that's logical

and I saw 1070FE reviews and they show a lot of FPS too, But main is not doing that.

 

[GreiverBlade]

and I saw 1070FE reviews and they show a lot of FPS too, But main is not doing that.

well mine does (and even a little above sometime)... but it's not a FE ... although i play on a 60hz screen with most of the time Vsync on.

ok ... out of here, i am ... i need to browse my STEAM library for some stress relieving.

edit: use the edit function god damnit!

oh and FPS in review or in game are not a constant ... you get min/average/max ... it fluctuate and that's perfectly normal .... (tho most of my game are 57-60fps with vsync on, even the more demanding i play, although as i already wrote 40-45fps min is not an issue at all, as long as there is no tearing/stutter )

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Sorry... but saying a 1070 (FE/Ref or non FE/Ref) isn't enough to max out current games on a 1080p monitor is complete horse shit (excuse my French, French people excuse the pun....) go and check out reviews for the reference/FE/fail edition... whatever you want to call it and it destroys all current games at 1080p... talking about top end models? if I was to spunk £400+ on a card, I would call that a TOP (tier) GPU.... in what reality is it not? (Titan X/Fury Duo Pro excluded...) so saying he should have spunked £700 to max out (60fps) on 1080p leads me to believe that whoever is spouting that rubbish has no idea what they are talking about. 60fps should be a minimum of what this card can push at 1080p considering the rest of his specs so please if you don't know this then refrain from posting crap that is untrue and not relevant to the issue at hand.

 

[RodoGodo19]

well mine does (and even a little above sometime)... but it's not a FE ... although i play on a 60hz screen with most of the time Vsync on.

ok ... out of here, i am ... i need to browse my STEAM library for some stress relieving.

edit: use the edit function god damnit!

Why you use vsync?.
Why you limit your framerate?.

 

[newtekie1]

and I saw 1070FE reviews and they show a lot of FPS too, But main is not doing that.

Use MSI Afterburner to set a custom fan curve. Right now, the fan isn't going over 50%, which is causing the card to not boost as high due to the temperature. You'll see higher boost speeds for longer, and should get much better performance. The card will be louder though...

Why you use vsync?.
Why you limit your framerate?.

Because anything higher than 60Hz, which is the maximum your screen can display, is not only wasted but can actually cause tearing which makes things look worse.

 

[RodoGodo19]

Sorry... but saying a 1070 (FE/Ref or non FE/Ref) isn't enough to max out current games on a 1080p monitor is complete horse shit (excuse my French, French people excuse the pun....) go and check out reviews for the reference/FE/fail edition... whatever you want to call it and it destroys all current games at 1080p... talking about top end models? if I was to spunk £400+ on a card, I would call that a TOP (tier) GPU.... in what reality is it not? (Titan X/Fury Duo Pro excluded...) so saying he should have spunked £700 to max out (60fps) on 1080p leads me to believe that whoever is spouting that rubbish has no idea what they are talking about. 60fps should be a minimum of what this card can push at 1080p considering the rest of his specs so please if you don't know this then refrain from posting crap that is untrue and not relevant to the issue at hand.

They show the reviews of the GTX1070 with a few things down.
Right now, ASSyndicate maxed out is at 45-55-60 FPS, and Guru said, if I remember correctly, 64-78 FPS maxed out 1080p.

The only game I can run well is:
GT V: 75-90 FPS, depending the zone
Doom: 100-120 FPS, holy sh......

I'm just saying that in a few games with all the settings up, sometimes you get under 60FPS

 

[GreiverBlade]

Why you use vsync?.
Why you limit your framerate?.

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above 60fps is not obligatory useful and Vsync/Fastsync is a good way to get the game smooth ... i am not limitating my fps ... i am using them to the max refresh rate of my monitor (yep using to the max, is my moto )

ASSyndicate maxed out is at 45-55-60 FPS, and Guru said, if I remember correctly, 64-78 FPS maxed out 1080p.

well that's what i get ... with vsync off and AA on on 1080p, not yours? eh?

 

[RodoGodo19]

Use MSI Afterburner to set a custom fan curve. Right now, the fan isn't going over 50%, which is causing the card to not boost as high due to the temperature. You'll see higher boost speeds for longer, and should get much better performance. The card will be louder though...

What about this fan curve?.

 

[RodoGodo19]

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above 60fps is not obligatory usefull and Vsync/Fastsync is a good way to get the game smooth ... i am not limitating my fps ... i am using them to the max refresh rate of my monitor (yep using to the max, is my moto )


well that's what i get ... with vsync off and AA on on 1080p, not yours? eh?

Should I use V Sync all the time?, maybe the GPU won't get hotter and will run better?. or is not the way it works?.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

They show the reviews of the GTX1070 with a few things down.
Right now, ASSyndicate maxed out is at 45-55-60 FPS, and Guru said, if I remember correctly, 64-78 FPS maxed out 1080p.

The only game I can run well is:
GT V: 75-90 FPS, depending the zone
Doom: 100-120 FPS, holy sh......

I'm just saying that in a few games with all the settings up, sometimes you get under 60FPS

Let's be biased, here's TPU's review of the 1070 FE with nothing below 60fps @1080p

And if you're not hitting 60fps with vsync off you won't be hitting it with it on.

 

[RodoGodo19]

Let's be biased, here's TPU's review of the 1070 FE with nothing below 60fps @1080p

And if you're not hitting 60fps with vsync off you won't be hitting it with it on.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/7.html

72.2 FPS, he don't say what settings he is using, but I'm using all settings up with NVIDIA PCSS + ULTRA and I can not go above 60+ FPS.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Should I use V Sync all the time?, maybe the GPU won't get hotter and will run better?. or is not the way it works?.

well Vsync also reduce the load on the GPU (unless extra demanding games ofc ) and yes indeed it would run less hot with that option on (altho ... it's a FE ... it's bound to be hot, altho mini itx build ... oh well ) but getting 60fps max on AC:S ... will not be helped by Vsync ... i say that for any games that run in the 45-100 ish fps, vsync make them smoother because between 60fps and 40fps you will not notice a stutter like with 100fps to 40fps


my 1070 behave like the review samples (custom or ref ) i wonder why not yours


edit:

with NVIDIA PCSS + ULTRA

just don't use it ... it's worthless nonetheless (i am not noticing any difference with or without at 1080p )

 

[newtekie1]

What about this fan curve?.

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More agressive than that, you want to keep the GPU under 80°, so you want it to hit 100% at 80°C.

Should I use V Sync all the time?, maybe the GPU won't get hotter and will run better?. or is not the way it works?.

And, yes you should use vsync always. It also helps keep the card cooler. So when a scene would have run at say 75FPS at 100% load on the GPU, it will run at 60FPS which will only put about 80% load. This will cause the GPU to run cooler during that time, so when you get to a point where the game needs more power, the GPU will already be cooler, so it can boost higher to get through that tough part.

 

[RodoGodo19]

More agressive than that, you want to keep the GPU under 80°, so you want it to hit 100% at 80°C.



And, yes you should use vsync always. It also helps keep the card cooler. So when a scene would have run at say 75FPS at 100% load on the GPU, it will run at 60FPS which will only put about 80% load. This will cause the GPU to run cooler during that time, so when you get to a point where the game needs more power, the GPU will already be cooler, so it can boost higher to get through that tough part.

understoond.

one question about the fan curve

I want that the fan speed goes up to 90% (less noise) when the GPU is at 70 C min, so the card won't hit 80 C.
Maybe I don't understand how fan curve work...

 

[newtekie1]

You can adjust the fan curve any way you want, but I'd have it hit 100% at 80°C. The curve you had was pretty good, just adjust the very last point, the 100% one, from 90 to 80.

 

[qubit]

Ok, @RGT I've just checked the screen shots of your game with the performance results below from TPU's review of your card and you know what? They're bang on. You're getting the performance that you've paid for. As you can see, the 1080 performs significantly faster. Not surprising since it costs a lot more. Are you ok with your card now? You'll just have to get a 1080 again if you want better performance.

When comparing, remember that results on a different system will always be different to yours, especially depending on things like CPU model and clock speed, plus Windows version and driver version and finally, game settings.

Also, you can be sure that TPU's benchmarking computer will be pretty well optimized for performance (for the most accurate results) by doing things like removing unneeded processes etc so it could well run faster than yours which is unlikely to be so optimized. The TPU PC has a 6700K running at 4.5GHz. Do you?

@W1zzard Would you care to describe the kind of optimizations that you do with the benchmark rig?

This link takes you to the review page showing the graph below and you can access the rest of the review from there if you want.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/7.html

 

[wolf]

I generally go with a 1:1 fan curve these days, most cards that's far more aggressive than stock as I generally value lower temps over noise.

Considering in one of your screenshots it was 79 degrees and ~50% fan if you ran 1:1 I don't see it ever really going over 75 deg.

 

[erocker]

Ok, @RGT I've just checked the screen shots of your game with the performance results below from TPU's review of your card and you know what? They're bang on. You're getting the performance that you've paid for. As you can see, the 1080 performs significantly faster. Not surprising since it costs a lot more. Are you ok with your card now? You'll just have to get a 1080 again if you want better performance.

When comparing, remember that results on a different system will always be different to yours, especially depending on things like CPU model and clock speed, plus Windows version and driver version and finally, game settings.

Also, you can be sure that TPU's benchmarking computer will be pretty well optimized for performance (for the most accurate results) by doing things like removing unneeded processes etc so it could well run faster than yours which is unlikely to be so optimized. The TPU PC has a 6700K running at 4.5GHz. Do you?

@W1zzard Would you care to describe the kind of optimizations that you do with the benchmark rig?

This link takes you to the review page showing the graph below and you can access the rest of the review from there if you want.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/7.html

From that, and all reviews:

• All video card results are obtained on this exact system with exactly the same configuration.
  
• All games are set to their highest quality setting unless indicated otherwise.
  
• AA and AF are applied via in-game settings, not via the driver's control panel

 

[Kanan]

@op: just overclock the card as far as it goes, or until your ears are at the edge of exploding because of that shity fail edition cooler/fan. That way at least you get some more performance.