X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[Kanan]

This 3960X was maybe pushed high voltage/high mhz at the beginning that's why it's degrading, i even think he said it.

I don't think cpus or gpus really degrade unless you push them to the absolute limit for months or years. That said I doubt I'll change voltage on my 3960X @ 1.31V and 4.5ghz anytime in the next years. Overclocking isn't about absolute limits it's about some efficient and big gains (at best) without abusing the hardware (too much), at least in my opinion.

Good job with that 3960X ES though, that ram clocks are impressive.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Thanks, I tried all this with only dual channel 2 sticks of low density 2 gig ram with my old board and never got 2400 to be stable so just goes to show me that board was never working quite right. I only hoped I could get 2400 to boot at first and once it handled that with ease I had a goal of hitting 2500 but honestly never thought I'd really get there or if I did it'd be totally unstable, nice bonus that I got it perfectly stable as well. I tried for 4.4 ghz and CAS 11 timings at 2450 mhz but fairly hot day here and that one core hit 81 quickly and however I fart with settings it bumps 82 before 2nd run is even completed. So I also need a new GPU this one dumps a lot of heat in the case and into my room, so that is also killing my temps considering it's so close to the cpu. However when I run burntest gpu isn't hot so it's more of a killer when I'm gaming at idle it is probably only a slight influence.

 

[Kanan]

Best gpu then is a low heat and exhaust fan or high heat exhaust for you, probably a geforce 900 or 1000 series. My 780ti custom is producing so much heat when gaming with overclock @100% pwt that I have to change the case fans to almost highest rpms (1000-1200max) so that its not temperature caped and reducing boost. The 3960x isn't helping there either, that was when playing new BF1 beta a few days ago, it stressed both cpu and gpu pretty good, I had 70-85% usage on cpu with HTT disabled.
Normally I let fans run at 600-800 rpm and that's enough. I'm just so glad I got the new case that has high airflow, with my old (chieftec bravo medium tower) that would've been a no go. That 3x 140mm fans rock.
Basically this is also why I'm not tampering with ram at this moment, perhaps sometime later in the future if I'd have a bandwidth bottleneck, but I somewhat doubt that will happen. I'll see cpu go old ipc wise long before that I guess.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

No, these high end intel platforms once you OC them they really generate a ton of heat, not just the cpu die itself boiling from within but actually from touching my board as it stress tests the transistors and all those lovely resistors etc all smoke with heat (not literally but probably could) as you crank up the voltages and not so much the memory (hardly warm to hottish at most) but all around them and the VRM area is good and toasty and I think much of my instability especially when I'm pushing the limits of tight timings or memory mhz is certainly from all that, and of course the cpu when my core 2 throttles itself.

 

[Kanan]

That's why I don't like to overdo overclocking, but what I think is best for overclocking I already said. It's certainly a strange hobby you have haha but it's interesting for me to follow nonetheless.

You need lots of airflow, that's for sure.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Holy shit...and yes I agree btw, my holy shit is about another thread, I am truly having a battle of wits with someone utterly unarmed and nasty....check it out.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/msi-rx-480-gaming-x-8-gb.224494/page-4

It's the review on the rx 480, starts on page 4 a guy replied weeks after the last reply and some idiot just crapped all over him for daring to have an opinion and I think he's utterly full of crap in his points anyway. I think I pretty much dismantle his idiocy and he can't handle it and just gets stupider as it goes...

 

[Kanan]

There's no point in arguing with fanboys, you know it! Don't waste your time.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I hope you read it, I know what you're saying, but I still enjoy a debate where I literally show the cross to the vampire and it hisses and runs away spitting at me or tries to make peace with me once I utterly roast them at their own game, keeps my brain sharp and it's fun!

 

[Kanan]

haha, it's really hard for me to read... not really enjoying it. If you must do it, then do it - but don't forget, it's probably senseless and a waste of time.

 

[Ithanul]

Holy shit...and yes I agree btw, my holy shit is about another thread, I am truly having a battle of wits with someone utterly unarmed and nasty....check it out.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/msi-rx-480-gaming-x-8-gb.224494/page-4

It's the review on the rx 480, starts on page 4 a guy replied weeks after the last reply and some idiot just crapped all over him for daring to have an opinion and I think he's utterly full of crap in his points anyway. I think I pretty much dismantle his idiocy and he can't handle it and just gets stupider as it goes...

I saw that. I came so close on replying at that one. Even me with high end parts, I like it if hardware don't suck down a huge ton of watts since I tend to run F@H or BOINC 24/7.

But yeah, you may as well leave be. Once people are set a certain way, it like arguing with a brick wall. Though, I do enjoy messing with both brand video cards. Nvidia still holds the crown on energy efficient. Reason a lot of folders and even boincers run them. The points and work out put to watts just smokes the crap out of an AMD card. Heck, reason some BIONCers build Xeon 4P rigs. They use way less watts in the long run with a full load.

If only gaming though, yeah, you probably care less about the watts being pulled. But full load 24/7, that a whole other thing.

Only thing pissing me off is the price on used 1060 6G......I want like two of them because of the point output to watts. I have no doubt I could push one of those big time for some fun. But no way in hell am I paying near or over 300 bucks for a good one.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I saw that. I came so close on replying at that one. Even me with high end parts, I like it if hardware don't suck down a huge ton of watts since I tend to run F@H or BOINC 24/7.

But yeah, you may as well leave be. Once people are set a certain way, it like arguing with a brick wall. Though, I do enjoy messing with both brand video cards. Nvidia still holds the crown on energy efficient. Reason a lot of folders and even boincers run them. The points and work out put to watts just smokes the crap out of an AMD card. Heck, reason some BIONCers build Xeon 4P rigs. They use way less watts in the long run with a full load.

If only gaming though, yeah, you probably care less about the watts being pulled. But full load 24/7, that a whole other thing.

Only thing pissing me off is the price on used 1060 6G......I want like two of them because of the point output to watts. I have no doubt I could push one of those big time for some fun. But no way in hell am I paying near or over 300 bucks for a good one.

Yeah he was a schmuck and despite his claims to "objectiveness" he obviously from the first post ripping the guy commenting on 480's inefficiency showed he was practically bought and paid for by AMD. Also I think you could do better than that if you look around for a 1060 on ebay and other sites etc...I'm actually myself looking to replace my fried 980 and I'm musing between a 980ti classified or gigabyte extreme version or a 1070. Believe it or not if you look at the numbers even with older drivers the 980ti will either match or often outperform the 1070, that is why it wasn't included in many reviewers reviews early on in the 1000 series cards. I've even seen where at top overclock the ti actually nips the heels of a 1080. That is why I'm conflicted...I can get a ti for same or less money than the 1070 and I know if I get a good clocker it will outperform it probably handily. The ONLY reason I'm conflicted is I know at top overclock under load the ti uses about 70-100 watts more, so is that enough to worry about over long run? That is what I'm asking myself....

Also keep in mind I don't fold or do 24/7 or even overnight or long extended loads on the card other than a few hours gaming soemtimes or less...but it all adds up.

 

[Kanan]

High overclocks on 980ti degrade the gpu as I heard multiple times now, so the 1070 is better. Also its way more efficient and has more features.
If you still want to buy a 980ti though get a evga/msi/asus or maybe zotac, gigabyte is wannabe premium and only will get on your nerves on the long run.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Thanks, but I literally just pulled the trigger after you posted this but before I got a chance to check it after you posted it. Anyway I did get an MSI I got the x2 armor which isn't highest end one but it was 300 bucks and guy hardly touched it...every other ti I see is 350 or more...many 400 or more due to how well they still do perfromance-wise, actually their value went down then back up again once the 1070-1080 etc were released because people realized how well the ti still did power consumption aside if all you cared about was performance. Also MSI I've had good luck with and they make great gpus, long as you don't fry them of course. Ironically this has no backplate but I learned my lesson plus now I am using slots farther away from cpu just in case. Cheapest 1070 is 400 dollars on the nose, plus a few bucks shipping so this was a great deal, and the ones that price were lower end gigabyte boards, and apparently according to you that is bad idea lol. One was cool though, the mini 1070, only like 7 inches and really compact. Would be so easy to put in and out of my case and swap in/out and not have to fight wires etc like I do with these 12 inch'ish cards I usually deal with. Anyway that's what I got so hopefully I will enjoy it and it'll satisfy my gaming needs.

 

[Ithanul]

Don't surprise me that high OC Ti nibs at 1080. Saw it when I saw how all three do folding. My Tis kick butt all day at 1519MHz with full load in folding. I can run higher, but not much of a boost in points so rather run them lower. I can actually bench them at 1570MHz. That how crazy the two I have will clock.

More or less Pascal was a stop gap. I am waiting for Volta big die.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Agreed, the power consumption and efficiency is great for 1000 series but when you look at the performance and the limits they have self-imposed so you can't clock them beyond 2k by much well....yeah it keeps the whole 900 series relevant, the 980 even can clock high enough to be 1060 or higher, and the ti as I said and you have is really between the 1070 and 1080 if you like me will overclock them like you do everything else. I love efficiency, and I love less heat and power used...but when you have a new series of cards and you have to pay MORE to get more FPS than last gen? Yeah, that isn't good, you should pay if anything LESS than last gen and get more per dollar spent. It's almost like Nvidia due to having jack shit for competition from AMD (thanks AMD!) is hanging their hat on, "hey look! We got new gpus that are really efficient and run cool so you do get much more efficiency, performance? Errr....well and Price? Well...hey look how efficient our new gpus are!"

So yeah, I was impressed at first, till I freakin realized a 2 year old gpu or so? can outperform most of the new Gpus, and I still with good searching skills can buy it for less than every one of their gpus minus a 1060...and even that is fairly close to the 300 bucks I just paid for a TI. 1080 is nice...but ti is far too close once you OC both, and yeah it's how many hundreds more? Literally it's over double the price, for WAY WAY less than double the perfromance, maybe like 40 percent at most if you really skew the numbers and make sure you got a baseline ti and a 1080 model that starts well overclocked at "stock" settings. However if you do apples to apples and average the numbers from what I have seen the ti vs 1080 is probably a difference of maybe 20 percent at best...no thanks. But you do have the titan that blows everything away...yeah for double the money of a 1080, don't need to do much math to figure out it's not only too expensive at any performance level, but it certainly isn't 400 % percent better than my ti I'm getting, shit, you could throw in a second titan and not add it's cost and it still wouldn't be 400 % better lol. High end cards yes aren't for efficient use of your money per performance, but this generation in particular at every level is underwhelming at every peg compared to its' own last gen 900 series. ONLY reason they got away with it is the AMD crop is so much worse that compared to that (and not their own last gen 900 series) they look like the shit, while only being vaguely better while AMD is literally...shit.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Lol yeah so I got my ti for same price you speculate you'd have to pay for a 1060...and I think it's very safe to say since we were comparing it to a 1080 no matter what clocks you got the 1060 at the ti would laugh at it, possibly even on stock clocks vs, 1060 being clocked to hell.

 

[Kanan]

Well AMD is shit because the Fijis only have 4 GB of Ram, that basically somewhat disqualifies them, but you can still use them if you speculate on DX12/Vulcan, because there they start to really shine, Deus Ex for example, Doom of course. The power of 4096/3584 shaders is unleashed then.

Was a smart move to buy the 980 Ti for that cheap, just don't let anything touch that card again, or better get a backplate for it. Maybe second hand. That Armor I'm pretty sure is 99% same as MSi Gaming, it's just a different plastic shroud, but same fans + cooler + even PCB, so it's very good - just the backplate is gone and no fancy colors or lights, that's it.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Fuck you. LOL

Sorry I think you have a good sense of humor and can take that ( you obviously show it by your little jab at me ).

Ok that two word jocularity aside, I compared the two cards in every photo I could find as well as on MSI's site etc and yeah they look very similar, there are differences but yeah same chokes and military grade blah blah that MSI advertises. Lights...who cares, backplate...yeah I admit now even though I think after one bad incident I will never have to worry about it again being wiser it does make me bit less assured that it has none. But yeah I saw that price and sent guy an email with a question...then realized wtf am I waiting for that is by far the cheapest good card I've seen anywhere! Every other one goes for 350 minimum, most are going for 400+. As I said they are going for more now than couple months ago once people realized how good they were even next to the 1070 etc.

 

[Kanan]

LOL it wasn't even meant to mock you, haha. But funny you take it that way. I could mock you by saying my tower is inverted, you need a tower as mine, that way nothing could fall on the back of the card, because it is inverted haha it would simply fall down on the CPU cooler

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But joke aside that card is really good, people maybe think it's cheap because it really looks boring with that simple white shroud, but it's maybe the best of the cheap custom cards from a premium brand like MSI. Very good price, nothing to say at all about it.
Yeah I think the fan's are a small bit different, the edges. That's a small difference, + it doesn't shut off the fans in low usage. I guess that's not REALLY important. Also I had backplate-less cards very often, I even switched from a cheaper GTX 260 that was fully armored to a more expensive but WAY cheaper looking HD 5850 without backplate and never had the smallest issues, but then again I don't tamper with PC's that are on. haha you can see MY fails in the fail thread if you want, I think they are fun to read.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yeah we all fail, let's face it. I may have failed spectacularly and should have been more careful, but many other times I've been blatantly breaking the "don't do" list of pc building and had no problems. I can't even remember now why I was so annoyed I think I was just tired and had spent so long putting it back together over a few days I was rushing and very fatigued and had enough. I probably will sell it on ebay and see what I can get for it, always see non-working cards sell because people need parts/pcbs etc to do stuff with or just experiment with, better than it just sitting here I guess. Yeah I don't mind the black/white theme it's basic but still decent looking, the red/black of the better model obviously matches my ROG board but I hardly even look in my case it's at my feet and case is in the way etc, so appearance other than unboxing ooohs and aaahs really are worthless to me. I just hope it clocks well, and more importantly maybe even that the cooler is decent and cools card fairly well. I can tell from looking at it and card dimensions the cooler is slightly less tall and the heatpipes are arranged bit differently so it is NOT the same cooler but just hope it's fairly decent. Worst case I take it off replace the tim and that may be a huge difference from what I've read, usually the card makers use subpar tim just to save money. If that were still not satisfactory not like it would be that hard to get an aftermarket cooler, I have a couple here that may even fit...lol like the one on my 980. Then I will have a red/black card! .

 

[Ithanul]

Fuck you. LOL

Sorry I think you have a good sense of humor and can take that ( you obviously show it by your little jab at me ).

Ok that two word jocularity aside, I compared the two cards in every photo I could find as well as on MSI's site etc and yeah they look very similar, there are differences but yeah same chokes and military grade blah blah that MSI advertises. Lights...who cares, backplate...yeah I admit now even though I think after one bad incident I will never have to worry about it again being wiser it does make me bit less assured that it has none. But yeah I saw that price and sent guy an email with a question...then realized wtf am I waiting for that is by far the cheapest good card I've seen anywhere! Every other one goes for 350 minimum, most are going for 400+. As I said they are going for more now than couple months ago once people realized how good they were even next to the 1070 etc.

Yep, best time to have nabbed used 980Tis was in the mad rush to off load. Seems to happen every generation drop. It how I got OG Titans for cheap, and how I got all my Maxwells. Though, the OG Titans held their value pretty darn well. I sold those back in January of this year. Still got a good few hundred for them. So in a way I got my two Tis with backplate and blocks for what others where paying for used Tis when Pascal drop.

Though, I still like messing with AMD cards. Still love the fact you can abuse the crap out of it, and they just keep trucking.

Use to 24/7 fold on one for TC in AMD cat. It would be at 75C+ with a OC, and keep on going. Traded off for my current mobo in the folder. Though, would not mind nabbing the new high end AMD card to put it through some paces when it come out. Since the 480s are pretty decent folders and boincers in their own right.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yep, best time to have nabbed used 980Tis was in the mad rush to off load. Seems to happen every generation drop. It how I got OG Titans for cheap, and how I got all my Maxwells. Though, the OG Titans held their value pretty darn well. I sold those back in January of this year. Still got a good few hundred for them. So in a way I got my two Tis with backplate and blocks for what others where paying for used Tis when Pascal drop.

Though, I still like messing with AMD cards. Still love the fact you can abuse the crap out of it, and they just keep trucking.

Use to 24/7 fold on one for TC in AMD cat. It would be at 75C+ with a OC, and keep on going. Traded off for my current mobo in the folder. Though, would not mind nabbing the new high end AMD card to put it through some paces when it come out. Since the 480s are pretty decent folders and boincers in their own right.

Yeah, I looked back at the prices for the ti's in June/July or maybe even earlier and was 250 to 300 range, nothing working below that but nothing really above that either. So that is why I saw that one card for 300 and every other one 350-430 and I hesitated...but not long lol. It's crazy, I even see some listed at 500+ particularly the classifieds and moreso the kingpin versions. Sorry, might be a cool card but you spend that much you may as well get 2 of something else cheaper or one 1080.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Oh, and whole reason I just came back is in my "genius" HA! as I typed on here that I had other coolers it finally dawned on me the very card that died is an MSI and has I believe same exact cooler the msi Gaming ti has. Never even occurred to me as I bought the other card, can't believe I didn't even think of it, duh. Anyway since my last reply on here I just unscrewed the cooler and the couple backplates on the old card that covered memory etc and unless this new cooler is quite good I'm sure I'll take off the cooler on the new card once I verify it works and put this one on with some good gelid tim and really cool it down hopefully. Only one review I saw ironically here at TPU by our own WIZZ showed the msi ti card ran fairly warm with this cooler, even though the regular 980 like I've got with same cooler ran ridiculously cool. So I somewhat wonder if WIZZ had a faulty gpu or the cooler wasn't on right etc because ti is a bit more strain on the cooler but not as much as his two reviews differed by, which I'm going to check right now to see how much the temps varied.

 

[Kanan]

If that works out, the 980 Ti Armor with red Gaming 6G cooler that would be really nice. Something like a MSI Gaming 6G selfmod for less money - not bad. As the PCB is the same, it's almost no difference then. Do some pictures at the start and when finished if you like.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I was about to say earlier if it weren't late I'd have taken pictures and uploaded them of my work already and the almost bare pcb and the cooler and plates...I'll post those soon. And yeah if I end up putting new cooler on after I test it and determine cooler it has isn't as good as I'd like I'll post those as well. I probably will simply because I got the cooler off and it's sitting here ready to go almost no reason not to unless MSI actually put a better cooler on the cheaper model but I'd be surprised at that.