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Thanks guys! :toast:

I've used English Windows since I was 16, because Finnish OS's feel just awkward :laugh: and if I'm having some issues on my system(s), it's muuuuuuuch easier to look for tips because almost always everything's is in English, and settings etc. in a Finnish localized OS are sometimes not-so-clear :mad:
 
Aaaand we succesfully modified my X800 Pro VIVO to X800 XT PE! Soon I've have all set, so I think I'll use this card on the retro PC (sorry 6800GT :() and fire that 3DMark03 up :toast:
 
That site has many OS's old and new.
Link for those who want to look through it.
http://getintopc.com/softwares/operating-systems/

Thanks!! I actually knew yet another site, where they had the entire database of old Windows & Office editions. They even had Plus! expansion pack for both Windows 95 and 98, but I don't remember the address any longer, it was a loong time ago :( If I do find it however, I'll let you guys know!

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Got it, it's called WinWorldPc.com
Thanks guys! :toast:

I've used English Windows since I was 16, because Finnish OS's feel just awkward :laugh: and if I'm having some issues on my system(s), it's muuuuuuuch easier to look for tips because almost always everything's is in English, and settings etc. in a Finnish localized OS are sometimes not-so-clear :mad:

Likewise, I can totally relate to that - running Croatian Windows can sometimes get pretty darn confusing! :p
 
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Finishing on the RetroMaster build, finally... I was unpleasantly surprised with the amount of problems (and patches), just to get the Aureal card working under XP... Fortunately, I came across the registry patch (along with control panel update), which allows you to resolve quite a number of issues, including random cut-offs, when Vortex would go silent for couple of minutes. Actually I'm still considering to activate the on-board audio & patch it through Aureal card, but now that Aureal card is kinda working OK, it seems unnecessary.

On a more positive note, I'm surprised with the speed & power this thing has... I was able to start up & play HL2 ep2 @ around 30fps, with all settings set to med/high, and screen resolution of 1024x768 :eek: I'm still hoping to OC Ti4200 to the point where I might increase the score by several FPS, just to make sure it doesn't lag. This is XP we're talking about (obviously), Win98 is still reserved for Glide & older DirectX8b (and older) games. Speaking of which, there was one another, annoying problem which I wasn't able to resolve... It seems that most of my DOS games hang or crash with random error messages (usually mentioning EMM386 & shutting down, in order to prevent data loss). I had exactly the same Autoexec.bat & Config.sys setup back on the old ASRock board & everything worked OK, so I'm wondering if this is maybe something to do with system resources, IRQs. Oh well, DOS programs are still accessible through Win98, and (now that I have Aureal card in place & working), everything seems to be OK. So it's not a huge loss, although I would prefer to have the real thing :p

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nVidia Ti4200 is now OCed, running perfectly stable at 285/580MHz (core/memory) and the performance boost is outstanding, with Half-Life 2 ep2 now running smoothly & without any problems, whatsoever. That's pretty impressive for DirectX8 card if you ask me!

And of course, being a software OC - not the hardware one, it's only activated within XP, which means that Win98 and DOS are still running at stock speeds...

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I completely overhauled Config.SYS & Autoexec.BAT, so they include additional instructions & parameters necessary for normal DOS operation... Well, in the terms of retro gaming, of course. I'll copy it over here, for you guys to see & check out... Just in case I missed something, or done in the wrong order, it's not like I'm DOS expert :p

Config.SYS...

from (OLD):
Code:
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE
device=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
Country=385,852,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\country.sys

to (NEW):
Code:
DOS=HIGH,UMB,NOAUTO
BUFFERSHIGH=30,0
STACKSHIGH=9,256
Country=385,852,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\country.sys
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS /V
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE RAM /MIN=0 I=B000-B7FF /V
DEVICEHIGH /L:2 =C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
DEVICEHIGH /L:2 =C:\PROGRAMF\CDPRO\vide-cdd.sys /D:MSCD000
DEVICEHIGH /L:2 =C:\WINDOWS\SETVER.EXE
DEVICEHIGH /L:1 =C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS
SHELL=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM C:\WINDOWS\ /E:1024 /P

Autoexec.BAT...

From (old):
Code:
SET SOUND=C:\PROGRAMF\WBLAST
SET BLASTER=P330
SET MIDI=SYNTH:2 MAP:E
mode con codepage prepare=((852) C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ega.cpi)
mode con codepage select=852
keyb yu,,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\keybrd2.sys
LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
SET BLASTER = A240 I5 D1 T4

To (new):
Code:
@ECHO OFF
LH /L:2 C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\MSCDEX /D:MSCD000 /M:15 /E /S /L:E /V
LH /L:0;2 /S C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV 2048 16 /V
mode con codepage prepare=((852) C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ega.cpi)
mode con codepage select=852
keyb yu,,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\keybrd2.sys
LH /L:2 C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
LH /L:2 C:\PROGRAMF\MOUSE\MOUSE
SET TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
SET TMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
SET SOUND=C:\PROGRAMF\WBLAST
SET BLASTER = A240 I5 D1 T4
SET BLASTER=P330
SET MIDI=SYNTH:2 MAP:E

Edit3
OK, due to occasional system crashes and BSODs upon booting up Win98, I had to remove the SMARTDRV line...
Code:
LH /L:0;2 /S C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV 2048 16 /V
 
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Was going to add yet another edit, but it's not letting me... Anyway, RetroMaster 2500 is now completely backed up (using Acronis TrueImage) & finally worked out all the bugs & problems with DOS boot up drivers & parameters.

Config.sys

I assigned IRQs to IDE channels & added few more parameters regarding DOS...
Code:
DOS=HIGH,UMB,NOAUTO
FILESHIGH=40
FCBSHIGH=1,0
BUFFERSHIGH=30,0
LASTDRIVEHIGH=J
STACKSHIGH=9,256
Country=385,852,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\country.sys
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS /V
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE RAM /MIN=0 I=B000-B7FF /V
DEVICEHIGH /L:2 =C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
DEVICEHIGH /L:2 =C:\PROGRAMF\CDPRO\VIDE-CDD.SYS /D:MSCD001 /P:1F0,14 /P:170,15 /P:1E8,10 /P:168,12
DEVICEHIGH /L:2 =C:\WINDOWS\SETVER.EXE
DEVICEHIGH /L:1 =C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS
SHELL=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM C:\WINDOWS\ /E:1024 /P

Autoexec.bat

Quite a few changes going on here, starting from removing MSCDEX all the way to adding additional paths & putting both "SET BLASTER" commands into one line. The reason I had them split was because of the hardware ... all the values except "P330" are pointing towards Aureal card, while the P330 value refers to MPU 401, aka Creative WaveBlaster MIDI daughterboard. Nevertheless, this setup seems to be working OK...
Code:
@ECHO OFF
REM LH /L:2 C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\MSCDEX /D:MSCD001 /M:15 /E /S /L:E /V
REM LH /L:0;2 /S C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV 2048 16 /V
mode con codepage prepare=((852) C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ega.cpi)
mode con codepage select=852
keyb yu,,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\keybrd2.sys
LH /L:2 C:\PROGRAMF\MOUSE\MOUSE
LH /L:2 C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
PATH C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\PROGRAMF\MOUSE;C:\PROGRAMF\WBLAST
SET TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
SET TMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP
SET SOUND=C:\PROGRAMF\WBLAST
SET BLASTER=A240 I5 D1 P330 T4
SET MIDI=SYNTH:2 MAP:E


Dosstart.bat

Completely new concept (to me, anyway)... But since I had some unusual problems with loading CD-ROM drivers from Autoexec, I've decided to go with this option instead. Meaning, the CD drivers are loaded right from the beginning, but they're not executed until rebooting into MS-DOS mode. Same thing with SMARTDRV, which caused serious issues with the Windows 98 normal operation, so it had to be removed. But having it executed within "DosStart" allows me to use it within DOS & then close it upon exiting, rebooting back into Windows mode. One thing which puzzled me however was the Aureal entry... Even though I already have the same command in Autoexec (and wanted to delete this one), system kept restoring it back, causing other problems & loading issues. Sooo, IDK... It works OK, which means I'm not going to fiddle with this any longer, unless I have a very good reason.
Code:
@ECHO OFF
LH C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\MSCDEX /D:MSCD001 /M:15 /E /S /L:D /V
LH C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV 2048 16 /V
LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
 
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Here's another site where you can find older OS's and whatnot.
https://winworldpc.com/library

As usual be sure to scan anything you download - I've gotten a few things from here and so far no problems.
 
Thanks!! I actually knew yet another site, where they had the entire database of old Windows & Office editions. They even had Plus! expansion pack for both Windows 95 and 98, but I don't remember the address any longer, it was a loong time ago :( If I do find it however, I'll let you guys know!

Edit
Got it, it's called WinWorldPc.com


Likewise, I can totally relate to that - running Croatian Windows can sometimes get pretty darn confusing! :p

Here's another site where you can find older OS's and whatnot.
https://winworldpc.com/library

As usual be sure to scan anything you download - I've gotten a few things from here and so far no problems.

Already mentioned it in one of my previous posts, but thanks for the effort. As far as I can tell they're legit... I got my Microsoft Plus! 95 & 98 image(s) there & both seem to be working OK. That was a long time ago by the way, they've completely redesigned the website since then :eek:
 
No prob - I didn't see that and woudn't have posted the link if I had BUT it's a little easier to find now. :D
 
It's all good, they're worthy enough to be mentioned twice ;) They really do have a nice software collection! Come to think of it, I may have also downloaded a copy of Windows 95, before I got my own OEM CDs... ("B" edition)
 
No prob, any time! @Bones :toast:

Speaking of useful websites @stinger608, here are few more, from my personal "collection":

http://madsenworld.dk/con_auto/index-uk.htm
A complete guide on Config.SYS & Autoexec.bat... I've been following this one for years, every now & then when I get to work on a system which requires manual boot configuration. Can't confirm it's 100% safe, but it's not dangerous either. In other words just don't download anything & you should be fine lol :) Actually, joke aside... I've saved the entire webpage, downloaded it for future reference, even have it on my Driver CD database, kinda like "one size fit all" solution when it comes to booting up drivers & operating systems ;)

http://users.telenet.be/unclefil/powersupply/Intel.html
A PSU wattage calculator tool... What makes this one so special is that it's specially designed for retro (older) Intel-based system. Therefore it's limited to all the models between Pentium MMX and Pentium 4 (S775). Just like the previous website, I also downloaded this one to my Driver CD although to be honest I barely ever used it... :p

http://users.telenet.be/unclefil/powersupply/Amd.html
Just like the previous one, this is pretty much the same story except it's AMD based. Once again, only the older models are supported, ranging from AMD K6 to AMD Opteron.
 
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Damn I wasted all my money to the local skateshop... no trash this time :D
 
@9700 Pro I asked because in my town, every month they set up in public squares areas where you can dump your bulky garbage (sofas, fridges and so on), and of course electronic stuff! In fact, lots of people dump their ""obsolete"" computers simply because they are too slow (they don't even know about "reinstalling Windows" attempt) or they can't find the printer driver, or don't have LCD tv power chord (yes you read that right), or "technician said it was irreparable!" (I took it home, was working flawlessy).
Needless to say that 90% of my collection comes from there:D
 
I'm already working on the new (old) project, finally finishing that Savage 4 Pro system from few months ago. Using totally new mobo this time (Asus A7A266), new RAM (picked 256MB SD, even though actual board also supports DDR), new ethernet card, new ODDs, new case & new PSU.

In fact, the ONLY 4 things which are old, taken from the previous attempt are CPU (Duron 950MHz), CPU cooler, Savage card itself & 20GB Maxtor HDD. Speaking of which, I'm using two of these just because I can, even though I don't really need that much storage space on this machine... It's primarily going to run Unreal, UT, Quake 2 & Quake 3 Arena. Maybe Half-Life as well, but I don't really see the point, except maybe nostalgia & alien shooting "theme". The case was re-purposed from the Voodoo3 2000 machine - I took the 3dfx card out, even replaced the mobo & CPU inside. Things are more-less finished, with the exception of decent cable management, so you can expect pics coming up soon! Maybe even tomorrow!

Savage 4, 1st attempt:


Savage 4, 2nd attempt:


Voodoo3 2000 case:


The inside of Voodoo3 2000 system:
 
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How about you send that Savage4 build my way, and keep the new 3dfx Voodoo3 2000 build for yourself? :p
 
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Heh heh :)

You mean the 1st (or 2nd) attempt? Because those two no longer exist, I gave the Asus A7M266 board away hoping it'll get a 2nd chance with the USB keyboard, while the 2nd board (Gigabyte) completely popped, literally "exploded" so it went to junk bin :p Sooo you know what they say, 3rd time's a charm!
 
Finally, it's done & finished!! Well, the hardware portion is, at least... Still have to boot up the OS tomorrow & see what the Savage can do! ;)



Final system specs:

Asus A7A266, S462
AMD Duron 950MHz
2x 128MB SD-RAM
Savage4 Pro 32MB AGP
2x Maxtor 20GB, ATA
2x LiteOn CD-ROM
Ethernet card (LAN party ;))

Will feature Windows Millennium...
 
Will feature Windows Millennium...
:eek:, why Windows ME?

Perfect time to say I bought the Windows ME upgrade disc when it was released. Never had any more trouble with it than Windows 98 SE contrary what mostly everyone else has said.
 
Just because! :D Nah, IDK... Frankly speaking, I have too many W98 systems, and yet this one is too old for XP... Or I might even load up XP on another drive, we'll see. One way or another, Windows ME seems like the perfect compromise between those two IMHO. I got several retro systems running ME (including Asus P4B machine) and they're mostly stable, can't really complain.
 
That will run XP just fine. ;)
I have XP on older systems than that. It's more versatile than you think.
 
That will run XP just fine. ;)
I have XP on older systems than that. It's more versatile than you think.
What about the 256 MB of SDRAM Trekkie4 installed? Wouldn't it be a tight fit for XP ?
 
You have to Remember and Acknowledge that people upgraded machines from this Era and Earlier with XP same way people are now bludging their win 7 pc's with win 10 :) oops
 
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