AMD Wants You to Choose Radeon RX 470 Over the GTX 1050 Ti, For Now

[RejZoR]

this is reality what you need to pay for a particular product is entirely irrelevant: what matters is the cost to benefit ratio
and personally I would't touch either the 960 or 470 with a 10 foot insulted pole

because they are both useless at anything close to 1080p

barely scraping 60fps is not acceptable the closer to the limits you run any bit of hardware the more issues you can expect

nvidia's tech is just superior to AMD's nothing about that has changed

Considering RX470 is almost RX480 which is about GTX 980 speeds, I'd greatly disagree with that. These cards aren't meant for Ultra settings anyway, so they have plenty grunt for 1080p at medium or even some high settings.

 

[semitope]

I know the 960 is half the performance of the 1060, my point is I don't think the 1050Ti will be that slow. AMD's claim is that the 1050Ti will be that slow, but I don't think it will be.



The funny thing is, I use my 960 to play games at 1440p all the time. Mainly Fallout 4 right now though.

it should be around that slow. Probably slower than a 380/380x. Based on the leaked marketing slides comparing it to the 960(?) and 950. Maybe it overclocks beyond that, but a 470 is definitely a much better buy because I doubt a 1050ti is going to beat the 1060 3GB and this is the card the 470 regularly competes with depending on game. The 470 is even sometimes faster in dx12/vulkan vs 1060 6g.

AMDs comparison is really just going to save some people from buying a weaker card when they could have gotten a better more future proof one for a little bit more. I had thought they did not need to even bother since the 1050 ti did not seem in the same league, but I think some people will actually make that mistake and fall a tier behind thinking its all good.

The comparison actually seems to be with overclocked nvidia cards vs reference 470, so buying 1050 ti and not planning to OC would be an even bigger mistake.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

this thread is hilarious.. so much hate for what? lower prices? are you serious people?!

 

[heydan83]

I see a lot of comments saying that this looks desperate from AMD, well I say yes they should, because Nvidia´s marketing has transformed everyone into a zombie that just buy their products without looking what the competition have to offer.

I mean, AMD always release the "cheaper" product losing some frames against Nvidia´s "expensier" product and everyone doesnt care to spend the extra dollars for those few frames, but this time that AMD has released the expensier faster product, it seems like everyone´s into buying the cheaper less faster GPU, just because it´s an Nvidia product.

So this is disappointing....

 

[alucasa]

Just stating my experience in Canada (A country right north of USA).

A 20 USD price difference generally translates to 2x, so 40 CAD difference. It should be more alike 30 but that doesn't happen, usually.

If Canada gets a gap like that, it'd be generally higher elsewhere.


Aaaaanyway, I see Green people vs Red people.

 

[BiggieShady]

Aaaaanyway, I see Green people vs Red people.

 

[Jism]

this thread is hilarious.. so much hate for what? lower prices? are you serious people?!

Lower prices is best for all of us. The biggest market is not within 400$ price range, but those wanting to spend 100$ up to 250$ for a 'good' graphics card.

Vulkan is'nt everything, but it surely beats Nvidia products at a simular price-range. The future should be vulkan for many many games.

 

[OneMoar]

I see potato

 

[efikkan]

Since when only gcn supprts async compute ?

Exactly.
Everyone remotely competent knows these are lies from AMD's PR department. Granted, every vendor tends to stretch the truth pretty far, but this is a lie that AMD keep spinning. AMD needs to spread lies to sell their products. Shame on them!

I really hope AMD will get sued for this. This is not only illegal, but it's also morally deplorable.

 

[heydan83]

Exactly.
Everyone remotely competent knows these are lies from AMD's PR department. Granted, every vendor tends to stretch the truth pretty far, but this is a lie that AMD keep spinning. AMD needs to spread lies to sell their products. Shame on them!
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I really hope AMD will get sued for this. This is not only illegal, but it's also morally deplorable.

You should read more about async compute, they are not lying, and talking about selling with lies, do you remember the 970 fiasco?, I think that´s more like sell with lies...

 

[eidairaman1]

You should read more about async compute, they are not lying, and talking about selling with lies, do you remember the 970 fiasco?, I think that´s more like sell with lies...

Yup nvidia tried covering that up, got caught when many said the cards were 3.5 and not 4.

 

[TheDeeGee]

It's the Red Crosses that tell me not to buy Red Products anymore.

Nice try AMD, but no thanks i was done with you ages ago.

 

[TheGuruStud]

It's the Red Crosses that tell me not to buy Red Products anymore.

Nice try AMD, but no thanks i was done with you ages ago.

I'm buying vega (and zen) on release and dumping the 980ti. It performs well, but I'm not giving these schmucks a dime for adaptive sync. If the fury x was better, I would have never bought it. My 290x (and 7950s etc) served me very well.

 

[bogami]

A What is there really praise for! Who has inferior architecture ask yourself. I remember pictures which were shown how the AMD RX480 stepped on GTX 1080 which was complete sham. I do not believe the commercials. They lie on both sides. The winner will be more powerful card but if they were equally strong, the price will be decided. So far, if I am waiting for GTX1080ti and AMD 490 or better.
So bad a product I do not want for my enemy not to mention myself . Poor advertisement AMD .

 

[FR@NK]

Everything in these slides is fairly accurate. GCN was "Purpose-built" for async compute whereas maxwell was not. Although at first glance it looks like AMD is saying async compute isnt supported on maxwell/pascal until you read the silde.

 

[mcraygsx]

Fair enough Radeon 470 seem to have reasonable advantage over 1050 Ti especially at FHD 1080.

 

[$ReaPeR$]

Lower prices is best for all of us. The biggest market is not within 400$ price range, but those wanting to spend 100$ up to 250$ for a 'good' graphics card.

Vulkan is'nt everything, but it surely beats Nvidia products at a simular price-range. The future should be vulkan for many many games.

well, yes.. but take a look on this thread.. take a long good look at it, see the people complaining and laugh loudly. this is so funny.
ps. at this point in time, you get what you pay for in hardware. so whatever you choose for a given price you cant really go wrong. people have been whining for so long for AMD to provide some competition and when AMD delivers (in price cuts in this case) they whine about it. it really boggles my mind.

 

[illli]

If things were reversed, people would praise Nv for such a bold move, but instead people are caliming it to be desperate.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

If things were reversed, people would praise Nv for such a bold move, but instead people are caliming it to be desperate.

The Nv groupies are panicking, just like those that follow Hillary-ous, it cant be helped now the competition is on the doorstep.

 

[OneMoar]

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[AsRock]

Hey, a business is a business, just saying, to me, it looks dumb.

What be dumb is not doing it, even more so when your company is on the edge of going bankrupt.

Better of trying than just hoping it turns out for the better. They learned that lesson with Intel.

 

[eidairaman1]

What be dumb is not doing it, even more so when your company is on the edge of going bankrupt.

Better of trying than just hoping it turns out for the better. They learned that lesson with Intel.

Yeah I recall 2 years ago, card prices weren't moving. It's a good move, keeps them competitive too

 

[LiveOrDie]

Sounds like AMD is scared there going to lose sales, AMD these days is like a seagull that sits on the Nvidia flag poll shitting on there flag when trying scab for chips.

 

[efikkan]

You should read more about async compute, they are not lying, and talking about selling with lies, do you remember the 970 fiasco?, I think that´s more like sell with lies...

You should refrain from talking about matters you clearly know nothing about.
These are deeply technical matters only programmers will fully understand, but Futuremark has made a small overview:

Above is a corresponding trace from an NVIDIA GTX 1080. As can be seen the general structures resemble those which are found on AMD Radeon Fury, albeit with extra queues that do not originate from the engine and which contain only synchronization items. From this image we can see that the GTX 1080 has an additional compute queue which accepts packets in parallel with the 3D queue.

This should put an end to this nonsense once and for all.

 

[eidairaman1]

Sounds like AMD is scared there going to lose sales, AMD these days is like a seagull that sits on the Nvidia flag poll shitting on there flag when trying scab for chips.

I remember Nvidia slashing prices the same way so Its a good move that both companies make.