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Global Warming & Climate Change Discussion

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Global average temperatures over land have plummeted by more than 1C since the middle of this year – their biggest and steepest fall on record.
Stunning new data indicates El Nino drove record highs in global temperatures suggesting rise may not be down to man-made emissions. OOPS!!!

Professor Judith Curry, of the Georgia Institute of Technology, and president of the Climate Forecast Applications Network, said yesterday: ‘I disagree with Gavin. The record warm years of 2015 and 2016 were primarily caused by the super El Nino.’

The slowdown in warming was, she added, real, and all the evidence suggested that since 1998, the rate of global warming has been much slower than predicted by computer models – about 1C per century.
Global average temperatures over land have plummeted by more than 1C since the middle of this year – their biggest and steepest fall on record. According to satellite data, the late 2016 temperatures are returning to the levels they were at after the 1998 El Nino.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-rise-not-man-emissions.html#ixzz4RL9c0GdX
 
Dude, I can relate..It's even MORE difficult for all us "Round Earthers" to follow the Corrupt Data and Crooked Scientists crowd!


For instance.

Antarctic sea ice had barely changed from where it was 100 years ago, scientists have discovered, after poring over the logbooks of great polar explorers such as Robert Falcon Scott and Ernest Shackleton.
"We know that sea ice in the Antarctic has increased slightly over the past 30 years, since satellite observations began. Scientists have been grappling to understand this trend in the context of global warming, but these new findings suggest it may not be anything new."
The findings demonstrate that the climate of Antarctica fluctuated significantly throughout the 20th century and indicates that sea ice in the Antarctic is much less sensitive to the effects of climate change than that of the Arctic, which has experienced a dramatic decline during the 20th century.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...gbooks-prove-antarctic-sea-ice-not-shrinking/

That is a strawman argument. No one is claiming the antarctic ice should be shrinking. In fact cases have been made that much of it is growing because the warming temperatures are bringing increased precipitation. If you're going to try to disprove global warming at least use actual arguments.


I'll just leave this here.

I wish I could sit and watch that video with you in person. There is too much content to cover otherwise.

Global average temperatures over land have plummeted by more than 1C since the middle of this year – their biggest and steepest fall on record.
Stunning new data indicates El Nino drove record highs in global temperatures suggesting rise may not be down to man-made emissions. OOPS!!!


Professor Judith Curry, of the Georgia Institute of Technology, and president of the Climate Forecast Applications Network, said yesterday: ‘I disagree with Gavin. The record warm years of 2015 and 2016 were primarily caused by the super El Nino.’

The slowdown in warming was, she added, real, and all the evidence suggested that since 1998, the rate of global warming has been much slower than predicted by computer models – about 1C per century.
Global average temperatures over land have plummeted by more than 1C since the middle of this year – their biggest and steepest fall on record. According to satellite data, the late 2016 temperatures are returning to the levels they were at after the 1998 El Nino.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-rise-not-man-emissions.html#ixzz4RL9c0GdX

I wish you would actually use sources other than the likes of the daily mail and the telegraph. I don't even know what you're talking about when it comes to the stall....

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/

You can look up temperature graphs all day long. I can only argue with you if you're willing to at least accept reality.

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You can't seriously consider these sources anything related to being credible... I mean, come on, climatedepot?
Doesn't fit your narrative. I understand.

Dr. Pielke has published over 370 papers in peer-reviewed journals with over 34000 citations. H-Index 85 and an i10 index of 340... But he doesn't fit your narrative and I totally understand.
https://twitter.com/RogerAPielkeSr
 
Shit thread. Full of opinions and half asses studies. People using limited data to back up climate denial. Standard protocol really.

Global systems don't follow binary codes of constant increase. Ocean acidification is greater threat and ocean warming. Giant heat sink right there. Mother nature's safety measure. But, once oceans heat enough, air temps back up...

A few studies or hundreds from one author is still simply one author. The majority of climate science easily trends towards change and man made change. Using minority science is fair but usually misguided.

All studies quoted here should at least be researched thoroughly before blindly posted in the post truth fashion of things these days.

I hate this thread.
 
Doesn't fit your narrative. I understand.

Dr. Pielke has published over 370 papers in peer-reviewed journals with over 34000 citations. H-Index 85 and an i10 index of 340... But he doesn't fit your narrative and I totally understand.
https://twitter.com/RogerAPielkeSr

No, it doesn't make sense that if he's that legit he'd resort to getting published in ClimateDepot... surely he has a peer reviewed journal you can cite and then we'd accept it? It's pretty cut and dry. Nothing to do with my narrative and more to do with challenging random web links being the order of the day of all sane people.
 
I'll just leave this here.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory truther troll post, especially when you say "I'll just leave this here". :rolleyes: Best off in GN.

@the54thvoid I agree with everything except hating this thread. :)
 
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"" The Mods Promised to close thread when it reaches 1200 posts "" :) maybe
Nooo, don't wanna close it! Climate change is an endless debate with new stuff to talk about all the time.
 
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Nooo, don't wanna close it! Climate change is an endless debate with new stuff to talk about all the time.
Yes, but sadly it doesn not come with a free endless aupply of popcorn or what have you prefer.
Fliping a coin for the keep thread alive/lock thread is also viable.
 
Frankly, this isn't a political issue, but a scientific one (politics just decided to stick it's nose into it). That's the only thing saving it from GN.

And I say that with a burning hatred for this thread, for what it's worth. This is like the cesspool of TPU when it comes to the crowd it attracts (though the regulars behave, for the most part).
 
Frankly, this isn't a political issue, but a scientific one (politics just decided to stick it's nose into it).
And politics inevitably taints everything it touches. :ohwell: I hate it too.

As I explained in my OP, it's the meddling of politics in climate science which has caused me to not completely trust the consensus that the amount of global warming that we're seeing is man made. However, there is a certain logic to it, even without looking at hard numbers, corrupted by politics and money or not.

Thinking about it, the industrial revolution started 150-200 years ago. Since then man has been chucking all sorts of pollutants into the air and at an increasing rate, while at the same time cutting down the rainforests. Therefore, it stands to reason that after such a long time raping the earth we'd eventually have a measurable impact on it.
 
Politics ~= Policy

When a group of people (in this case scientists) insist on changing policy, the subject matter is made political. When you're talking about something that is as far reaching as carbon dioxide, you're going to see those in favor of changes and those not in favor go to their respective corners. The former shouts from the mountains about an ecological disaster while the latter does the same about economic disaster. Both sides have merits and it is the politicians job to hammer out a compromise to satisfy both sides as much as possible.

This sort of thing played out previously with leaded fuels. In 1996, it was made illegal to add lead to gasoline because of the impact it had on air quality and lead poisoning.
http://web.mit.edu/ckolstad/www/Newell.pdf


Think of the consequences if carbon dioxide and methane were treated the same:
-people wouldn't be able to get to work without their cars
-the transportation of goods would seize without trucks and trains
-coastal cities would descend into chaos because there's no way to get food from where it is produced to them
-agricultural production would be reduced massively due to lack of machinery to mass produce crops and fertilizers to increase yields
-all cattle would have to be slaughtered because they're too polluting (no more beef)
-the capacity of the grid to deliver reliable electricity would be halved--this would stop most industry
-rolling blackouts and brownouts would be common.
-virtually all resources would become more scarce due to a massive reduction in mechanization

The list is virtually endless. From that short list, you can envision a damn near apocalyptic scenario.


On the opposite side:
-oceans rising causing coastal populations to relocate
-increased likelihood of draughts or flooding
-ability to produce crops may become more unstable due to changing climates
-increased rate of species extinction

No where near as apocalyptic as the former set but not good either.


What governments are doing already is the compromise:
-deploying renewables where reasonable
-suspending moratorium on nuclear energy
-renewable fuel standards where some fuel is sourced from crops
-increased fuel economy standards
-requiring the use of more efficient lighting, heating, and air conditioning
-tax credits on green alternatives
-building infrastructure and new buildings planning for ocean rise

Yeah, some people argue it is not enough but it's better than doing too much of either.
 
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@FordGT90Concept It's true the only way to stop having an impact on the planet is to go back to the stone age and I certainly don't want that.

Nicely put. :toast:
 
No more politics please UNLESS it is "directly" relevant to the topic, if you want to have a discussion on best, worst or mediocre presidents either take it to PM or GN.
 
No, it doesn't make sense that if he's that legit he'd resort to getting published in ClimateDepot... surely he has a peer reviewed journal you can cite and then we'd accept it? It's pretty cut and dry. Nothing to do with my narrative and more to do with challenging random web links being the order of the day of all sane people.
Myopic? Dr. Pielke has published over 370 papers in peer-reviewed journals with over 34000 citations. Good grief man! Should I hold your hand and read them all to you too??? smh...

Frankly, this isn't a political issue,
I needed a good laugh. Thanks!:toast:
 
Myopic? Dr. Pielke has published over 370 papers in peer-reviewed journals with over 34000 citations. Good grief man! Should I hold your hand and read them all to you too??? smh...

It surely shouldn't be hard to find one then.

My point is people on twitter can claim whatever they want. I can claim to have over double that within 5 minutes if I wanted... I'm not doubting him as much as doubting random web links, as any good practitioner of science should.

I verified his credentials myself, but thanks for your help. I was more making a point on citations than climate change... something that you apparently missed completely.

My views on climate change are clear, as I go with what the majority of scientists have concluded. That does not mean I questioned Dr. Pielke's credentials, I actually was pretty sure he was legit from the get go. I just like to see better citation practice than is being shown here.

Honestly, the actual issue of climate change is a bore to me, as each side is so fenced in and won't give any ground regardless of what is presented. That's why I attack other problems in the debate rather than the debate itself.
 
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It surely shouldn't be hard to find one then.
Not hard at all for us with no blinders. Why do Liberals expect everyone to do the work for them? Seriously? I literally didn't read the rest of your diatribe. Your first sentence is all that is necessary. Proof on a golden platter would never be enough for you guys lol. Chicken Little FTW!!!
 
Not hard at all for us with no blinders. Why do Liberals expect everyone to do the work for them? Seriously? I literally didn't read the rest of your diatribe. Your first sentence is all that is necessary. Proof on a golden platter would never be enough for you guys lol. Chicken Little FTW!!!

Diatribe? I'm sorry, I'm not certain you understand I don't give a shit about the climate change debate. My little "rant" was about how you give all intellectuals a bad name with your behavior thus far. Sadly, it is only continuing. It's part of why I hate this thread.

Here's a hint: try reading the posts you reply too. Then maybe you won't look so foolish. Take YOUR blinders off.

Why do Liberals expect everyone to do the work for them?

I expect everyone making a claim to supply evidence to support their claim. That's called the "burden of proof."

This includes pro-global warming advocates, by the way.
 
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Diatribe? I'm sorry, I'm not certain you understand I don't give a shit about the climate change debate. My little "rant" was about how you give all intellectuals a bad name with your behavior thus far. Sadly, it is only continuing. It's part of why I hate this thread.

Here's a hint: try reading the posts you reply too. Then maybe you won't look so foolish. Take YOUR blinders off.



I expect everyone making a claim to supply evidence to support their claim. That's called the "burden of proof."

This includes pro-global warming advocates, by the way.

Intellectuals... LOL! You misspelled idiots! I have a hint for you too....Instead of blind insults try critical thinking.
 
Intellectuals... LOL! You misspelled idiots! I have a hint for you too....Instead of blind insults try critical thinking.

Those weren't blind insults. You literally admitted you didn't read my post. If that isn't blinders what is?

Try reading it, you might get why I called you "foolish." It wasn't an insult, it was a nudge that you are not doing yourself any favors here.

Also, you are on a forum of intellectual types.,, and intellectualism and critical thinking are literally one and the same:


Wikipedia:
An intellectual is a person who engages in critical study, thought, and reflection about the reality of society, and proposes solutions for the normative problems of that society, and, by such discourse in the public sphere, he or she gains authority within the public opinion.

Don't poke fun at things just because they don't line up with your belief system. That IS "blinders on" to the most extreme.

This whole thread right now makes me sad. Out.
 
Those weren't blind insults. You literally admitted you didn't read my post. If that isn't blinders what is?
Life is too short to read innuendo and BS?
 
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