AMD RYZEN Demo Event - Beats $1,100 8-Core i7-6900K, With Lower TDP

[R0H1T]

Every single leak about Zen has been a Blender benchmark. Doesn't that raise any flags?

I guess you must've missed the handbrake demo, or the multitasking one with Dota2 & twitch?

 

[Assimilator]

I do and he is totally correct. A clear hint there from LS about Ryzen being cheaper. Now, why don't you wait a few weeks to see who's correct about it?

So a "hint" in a marketing presentation translates to a guarantee... got it.

You might understand how companies work, but you certainly don't understand how financially successful companies work: they produce the best product, then charge as much money for it as consumers are willing to pay. It's called "capitalism". (Your evident bias towards AMD, a company that is the exact opposite of financially successful, explains why you don't understand this.)

And to anyone who doesn't like Intel being challenged from AMD and being pessimistic without reason after this Ryzen demo, I have to say one word. Fanboyism...

The only one who has claimed that people don't like Intel being challenged is... you.
The only one who has accused others of being fanboys is... you.

Perhaps you should look in a mirror once in a while, or take a course on basic logical reasoning. Because there's absolutely nothing fanboy-ish about being skeptical of a company's claims if that company has consistently lied about similar claims in the past (Bulldozer anyone?). On the other hand, refusing to scrutinise those claims is exactly the type of behaviour I'd expect from an actual fanboy.

Pot, kettle, black.

 

[Shihab]

We haven't been stuck, there's just no demand. What "mainstream" application uses 16 threads? WinRAR?

Depends on your definition for "mainstream". Since simple users have started the exodus do those droid and iOS toys, the PC landscape hasn't been the same as it was back when running a flash application was the most demanding task for the average user.

There's also the view that sees utility being driven by availability. PCIe wasn't meant for [direct] storage, yet when the storage industry reached the point of needing high bandwidths, PCIe was there for it. Same goes for many if not most of the GPUs' Unified Shader architectures uses these days.

 

[Ikaruga]

Q1, There is a * at the title bar of the blender window on the Intel system, which means the file was edited without saving. What's changed?

Q2, Why can't we see the taskbar of the Intel system, what's there? (as the camera pans over the table, it seems that more apps are running on the AMD rig).

 

[YautjaLord]

Q1, There is a * at the title bar of the blender window on the Intel system, which means the file was edited without saving. What's changed?

Q2, Why can't we see the taskbar of the Intel system, what's there? (as the camera pans over the table, it seems that more apps are running on the AMD rig).

That. Have to watch that stream again, but i have the same question, you basically ninja-posted me? lol

Wait for TPU or any other tech site to benchmark this beast vs all the best Intel offerings, that's the best solution, God that's irritating.

Or for CES 2017.

 

[john_]

And to anyone who doesn't like Intel being challenged from AMD and being pessimistic without reason after this Ryzen demo, I have to say one word. Fanboyism...

Everyone wants AMD to challenge Intel, at least in theory. In reality they also want AMD products to lose in direct comparisons. They want AMD to offer products that will lower the prices of Intel(and Nvidia) products, but at the same time to be INFERIOR IN EVERYTHING compared to those products. Performance, features, efficiency, overclocking, so they can continue feeling they are part of a higher society that uses superior brands compare to those used by regular... peasants. They want those products to be only good when looking at performance per dollar and only in the beginning. They are dreaming that then, Intel(and Nvidia) will come with their hammers and drop them on AMD's head in the form of nice price cuts, making AMD to lose that advantage also. Ironic and hypocritical at the same time. The worst part here? I am not sure I am exaggerating. So, nothing strange if some people will find plenty of faults on RYZEN.

 

[bug]

Everyone wants AMD to challenge Intel, at least in theory. In reality they also want AMD products to lose in direct comparisons. They want AMD to offer products that will lower the prices of Intel(and Nvidia) products, but at the same time to be INFERIOR IN EVERYTHING compared to those products. Performance, features, efficiency, overclocking, so they can continue feeling they are part of a higher society that uses superior brands compare to those used by regular... peasants. They want those products to be only good when looking at performance per dollar and only in the beginning. They are dreaming that then, Intel(and Nvidia) will come with their hammers and drop them on AMD's head in the form of nice price cuts, making AMD to lose that advantage also. Ironic and hypocritical at the same time. The worst part here? I am not sure I am exaggerating. So, nothing strange if some people will find plenty of faults on RYZEN.

That (what you just wrote) is just fanboyism in a different form. Not even Bulldozer or P4 were "INFERIOR IN EVERYTHING", so why would anyone expect this from either camp? What happens is marketing presentations are inherently one-sided and whoever doesn't wear horse-goggles, is taking them with a pinch of salt. Maybe too much salt in cases.

 

[john_]

That (what you just wrote) is just fanboyism in a different form. Not even Bulldozer or P4 were "INFERIOR IN EVERYTHING", so why would anyone expect this from either camp? What happens is marketing presentations are inherently one-sided and whoever doesn't wear horse-goggles, is taking them with a pinch of salt. Maybe too much salt in cases.

I was very specific. Direct comparisons with products in the same category and what some people WANT, not what it really is. For example, you will find plenty of people saying that a i3 is superior to an 8 core FX. Nothing more.

 

[bug]

I was very specific. Direct comparisons with products in the same category and what some people WANT, not what it really is. For example, you will find plenty of people saying that a i3 is superior to an 8 core FX. Nothing more.

Depending on what they mean, those people can be right or wrong. They're right if they're talking about single-thread performance and wrong if they need to do heavily multi-threaded work. Just stating the obvious.

 

[HD64G]

So a "hint" in a marketing presentation translates to a guarantee... got it.

You might understand how companies work, but you certainly don't understand how financially successful companies work: they produce the best product, then charge as much money for it as consumers are willing to pay. It's called "capitalism". (Your evident bias towards AMD, a company that is the exact opposite of financially successful, explains why you don't understand this.)



The only one who has claimed that people don't like Intel being challenged is... you.
The only one who has accused others of being fanboys is... you.

Perhaps you should look in a mirror once in a while, or take a course on basic logical reasoning. Because there's absolutely nothing fanboy-ish about being skeptical of a company's claims if that company has consistently lied about similar claims in the past (Bulldozer anyone?). On the other hand, refusing to scrutinise those claims is exactly the type of behaviour I'd expect from an actual fanboy.

Pot, kettle, black.

You question the knowledge of an unknown person on economics and you pretend you know better? Who is showing immaturity now? And who is constant in being (or petending to be) ignorant of clear truths just to poke AMD? AMD CEO clearly put the i7 6900K price into perspective to show that Ryzen will be cheaper even being as fast as the Intel CPU. If that's difficult to get it, it is your empathy towards AMD, not us being irrelevant to economics and capitalism...

As for me, I just buy the best b4b for decades now and don't allow any marketing or prestige bs to milk from me...

Insults directly sent back in your face as you took personally a general opinion I posted about some of the people in forums that enjoy bashing on AMD no matter how and what they do. And I always like small companies to challenge big ones and providing us more value for our hardly earned money.

Don't bother to keep replying, as I won't spend any time more for you.

 

[Nergal]

So a "hint" in a marketing presentation translates to a guarantee... got it.

You might understand how companies work, but you certainly don't understand how financially successful companies work: they produce the best product, then charge as much money for it as consumers are willing to pay. It's called "capitalism". (Your evident bias towards AMD, a company that is the exact opposite of financially successful, explains why you don't understand this.)



The only one who has claimed that people don't like Intel being challenged is... you.
The only one who has accused others of being fanboys is... you.

Perhaps you should look in a mirror once in a while, or take a course on basic logical reasoning. Because there's absolutely nothing fanboy-ish about being skeptical of a company's claims if that company has consistently lied about similar claims in the past (Bulldozer anyone?). On the other hand, refusing to scrutinise those claims is exactly the type of behaviour I'd expect from an actual fanboy.

Pot, kettle, black.

It is clear to everyone that ZEN will be at the very least a somewhat decent product that will bring AMD in direct competition.

Everyone is free to speculate on the details and discuss with each other about those ideas, which is why we have this nice tech-savvy forum platform.

Not to insult.

 

[Shihab]

I am not sure I am exaggerating. So, nothing strange if some people will find plenty of faults on RYZEN.

Well, at least at some level you're aware that what you just said has no shred of rationality or proof.
I agree with Assimilator on one part: There's too much circular reasoning going around here.
Fanboys exist on both camps, yet many consumers belong to neither. Just because someone criticizes a product of one doesn't necessarily paint them the other's colours.

 

[simlariver]

I remembrer a few years back, right after the Athlon X2 came out, that AMD signed a massive deal with a software firm that was supposed to provide CPU architecture design and replace hundred of engineers in the process. the whole thing ended up being a flop and the whole thing was swept under the rug by the board of directors. It's a classic effect of a company being run by "admin-type" people that don't understand the underling technology enabling their core product.

Anybody else remember that episode or am I the only one ?

I guess ZEN is the first man-made cpu design since they got stuck with the robot-designed cpu cores fiasco a while back. I'm glad they are coming back but I'll wait for reviews and some general feedback before I approve of it. Also, I think that AMD will help the same of their new hardware platform by giving away lots of free games like they have been doing for a while. That's something Intel will have a harder time to match.

Edit: Benchmark, benchmark, benchmark ... In the end, that's mainly what we are waiting for.

 

[john_]

Well, at least at some level you're aware that what you just said has no shred of rationality or proof.

Nice cut and paste and a happy conclusion.

 

[YautjaLord]

Checked the CES website, Samsung (i think), NVidia, were among the attendees, haven't seen AMD, hell even typed "AMD @ CES 2017" in Google - nothing that shows even were they'll gonna located in that expo. lol Two n a half weeks, or even more left til that expo goes live. ASUS, MSI, etc... show nothing on their homepages that reads AM4/X370 either. I need every info bout these!!!!! I gonna finish both original Carma & Splat Pack b4 this event happens, ffs!

 

[Xzibit]

Checked the CES website, Samsung (i think), NVidia, were among the attendees, haven't seen AMD, hell even typed "AMD @ CES 2017" in Google - nothing that shows even were they'll gonna located in that expo. lol Two n a half weeks, or even more left til that expo goes live. ASUS, MSI, etc... show nothing on their homepages that reads AM4/X370 either. I need every info bout these!!!!! I gonna finish both original Carma & Splat Pack b4 this event happens, ffs!

Here you go

Advanced Micro Devices
Booth Locations:
Venetian, Lvl 3 - San Polo 3402,
Venetian, Lvl 3 - San Polo 3403
Venetian, Lvl 3 - San Polo 3404

Advanced Micro Devices
Booth Locations:
Venetian Tower - Suite 30-316,
Palazzo Tower,
Hospitality - Venetian Palazzo Hospitality Suites

 

[Vayra86]

All I am interested in at this point, is how well it will overclock.

Depending on the final single threaded perf I'm ugraded either which way, but AMD will definitely be cheaper and insta-buy if it easily clocks 4+ Ghz.

 

[EarthDog]

All I am interested in at this point, is how well it will overclock.

Depending on the final single threaded perf I'm ugraded either which way, but AMD will definitely be cheaper and insta-buy if it easily clocks 4.5+ Ghz.

Fixed that for you...

 

[Vayra86]

Fixed that for you...

Gotcha, but even at 4 I would consider it because of the additional cores at similar price point.

 

[YautjaLord]

Here you go

Advanced Micro Devices
Booth Locations:
Venetian, Lvl 3 - San Polo 3402,
Venetian, Lvl 3 - San Polo 3403
Venetian, Lvl 3 - San Polo 3404

Advanced Micro Devices
Booth Locations:
Venetian Tower - Suite 30-316,
Palazzo Tower,
Hospitality - Venetian Palazzo Hospitality Suites

CES website is a forest, thanx for info. But it's not like i'm goin to attend it. lol Hope they'll (CES) stream it live, how's their Android app works on - say - Galaxy J5? Had Twitch.tv app on this thing, worked like sh!t.

 

[EarthDog]

Gotcha, but even at 4 I would consider it because of the additional cores at similar price point.

For overclocking purposes, it better hit 4.5ghz+. I'm talking about pushing these things. Not daily driving on an overclock.

Forgot I was at TPU amd not my homesite. Expectations are different.

 

[bug]

All I am interested in at this point, is how well it will overclock.

Depending on the final single threaded perf I'm ugraded either which way, but AMD will definitely be cheaper and insta-buy if it easily clocks 4+ Ghz.

How could have your overclock set in stone when you don't know Zen's IPC?

 

[YautjaLord]

For overclocking purposes, it better hit 4.5ghz+. I'm talking about pushing these things. Not daily driving on an overclock.

Forgot I was at TPU amd not my homesite. Expectations are different.

4.5GHz can be daily, 24/7 OC, but yeah i'm with you on that one. 4.0 or even 4.2GHz can be this thing's Turbo/XFR*(?) clock (depending on cooling solution), make this beast go higher; i intent on testing 4.0GHz with Prime95 raping it for 1 hour, 4.5GHz raped with Prime95 for 4 - FOUR - hours!!!!! lol After benchmarks here surface & once i have the LCS (EKWB custom liquid loop) along with the rest of planned components, ofc.

*eXtended Frequency Range, type of Turbo Core? Or is it Precision Boost? Both sound more or less the same to me.

 

[BiggieShady]

For those who are wondering about IPC judging from the multi threaded tests, the only way possible that Ryzen's IPC is much worse than Broadwell E, is if SMT is much better than HyperThreading ... 8c16t broadwell e has tons of cache and HT is rather mature/refined after all these years, so the IPC should be competitive.
About OC potential, 3.4 GHz base clock is nothing to sneeze at for a 8c16t part ... and with total power consumption lowered, the only real question that remains: Will the chip be as resistant (to electromigration) as intel's at temps over 80C?

 

[Eknex]

Do you think that the price of socket 2011-3 will decrease with the output of AMD Zen?