Intel Core i7-7700K Delidded, Reapplied TIM Reduces Temps By 30C

[R-T-B]

what do you use for glue in back the IHS ?

believe it or not, NAPA brand black RTV sealant. It's a rebrand of ultra black permatex if you don't have a NAPA store around. Generally automotive type places have it.

EDIT: Mr. Scott beat me to it.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Jesus christ people still have their panties in a wad over this? Get over it you care bears.

 

[biffzinker]

@phanbuey I don't know if you'll be able to find anything similar in the states, I found a metal spacer from aquacomputer.de which works great.

Also, you might find the same issue as me.. the corners of the socket were raised and stopping the block making good contact with the cpu, you can trim them carefully with a scalpel or razor blade (being careful not to slip and cut a load of traces!, or bending a load of pins), then it works perfectly

I ran into that same issue myself with the heatsink base. I was using easily compressible foam pads (4 pads in each corner similar to a Athlon XP) to prevent wobble/die corners from getting crunched.

 

[Mr.Scott]

believe it or not, NAPA brand black RTV sealant. It's a rebrand of ultra black permatex if you don't have a NAPA store around. Generally automotive type places have it.

EDIT: Mr. Scott beat me to it.

I actually use the NAPA brand. lol
It's exactly the same stuff. I just used the known brand name here.

 

[R-T-B]

Jesus christ people still have their panties in a wad over this? Get over it you care bears.

Wow, does customer feedback seriously offend you, or something?

 

[Mussels]

i had a 30C drop delidding my 3770k.
My brother got a 6700K and he's pissed that with 50W less, it runs so much hotter than my chip - whats the use of a K series chip if its artificially limited?

Wow, does customer feedback seriously offend you, or something?

his name is phenom, he's clearly biased
(and he secretly works for intel applying TIM to CPU dies)

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Wow, does customer feedback seriously offend you, or something?

How long has this been going on 3 years? and not a single person attempts to fully understand intels engineers reasoning behind it, other than Cadaveca.

 

[R-T-B]

How long has this been going on 3 years? and not a single person attempts to fully understand intels engineers reasoning behind it, other than Cadaveca.

Which was pretty quickly debunked with basic physics as not being good reasoning.

Plus, if what he said was true, these delidded overclock chips would be exploding left and right. They aren't.

 

[phanbuey]

i cant get the bare core to post for the life of me... damn 1151 pressure sensor.

Edit ... got ijt to post but the cardstock was too thick and the core wasnt making good contact...

fML

might have to put the ihs back that pressure sensor is kicking my ass.

 

[peche]

believe it or not, NAPA brand black RTV sealant. It's a rebrand of ultra black permatex if you don't have a NAPA store around. Generally automotive type places have it.

EDIT: Mr. Scott beat me to it.

great, ill have to order online, i was thinking to use arctic alumina epoxi, what do you think about it?

i had a 30C drop delidding my 3770k.

i got something similar on my non "K", used to heat a lot,

 

[hat]

That kind of the point. Yes, changing TIM can lower temps. But the chips work just fine as is, and are actually likely to live a bit longer since they will throttle before they damage themselves. Change TIM, and then the CPU can seem to run cool, but can then consume so much current you can kill it easily.

People seem to forget that the CPU cores are but a small part of today's modern CPUs and those other parts.. don't report temperatures. It's like you all think Intel, that makes billions, is either dumb, or purposefully releasing stuff of lower quality just to be a bunch of jerks...

BTW, I have 7700K, 7700, 7600K, 7350K. They are nice chips, if you aren't having unrealistic expectations for them.

Also, my chips appear to be retail as well, but they aren't really retail version. You cannot get retail version of CPU that isn't in retail...

I tell people when the question comes up, stay to 1.325V. Here is a user, pushing higher, and overheating? ROFL. NOT surprised.

In other words... they made a CPU that possibly can't handle normal operation, so they're going to artificially hold back its capabilities by making it run so hot it throttles itself down so it won't break. That's like buying a Ferrari capable of 200MPH, but they put a tiny ass rad in it that causes it to overheat after you hit 40MPH because some other components might not be able to handle what the car should be capable of.

To your theory of other parts of the CPU that don't report temperatures... I could see that, maybe, if you did delid, applied better paste, and did some extreme OC where your core temps are still okay but some other components might not be. I somehow doubt that though, because it's not like if you delid and repaste ONLY your core temps are going to drop... everything will run cooler, not just the core.

So yes, I DO think they're releasing stuff of lower quality... but "just to be a bunch of jerks" is only part of it. I think it's also because they're currently so far ahead of AMD in this area they have no reason to do any better. They know whatever crap they turn out is still going to be much better than AMD, so we're going to buy it, therefore they can get away with it. And for the part about being a bunch of jerks, just take a look at overclocking. Ever since Sandy Bridge, you had to buy the K series chip along with the P/Z series motherboard to enable overclocking. Sandy and Ivy allowed you to overclock somewhat (+400) if you had a P/Z series board, but none at all if you had the cheaper H series board. And then, some manufacturers decided to allow overclocking on H boards anyway, but Intel slapped them and forced them to remove that option on those boards. Not only that, but they removed the minimal overclocking allowance we had with the non-K chips since Haswell. Now you HAVE to buy the Z series board and the K chip or you get no overclocking... so yeah, i DO think they're being a bunch of jerks, saving money and forcing customers to spend more for the product they want, because they can. There's no competition for customers to consider if they want performance and efficiency, so Intel can do as they please and still get customers.

 

[Mussels]

they're doing it because it saves money, with a side benefit of 'oh crap the 5 year old 2500k/2600k overclocked still keeps up with our current hardware' and want to avoid a repeat where older overclocked chips are such good performers, people dont bother upgrading.

 

[phanbuey]

well... i can safely say that my attempt at running without the ihs ended it total failure, after i ended up snapping a pin off the mobo :S

 

[Mr.Scott]

great, ill have to order online, i was thinking to use arctic alumina epoxi, what do you think about it?

Too permanent.
You'll never get that IHS off ever again.

 

[thesmokingman]

gotta search something to glue back my processor

Get black silicone gasket sealer, couple bucks at an auto parts store.

well... i can safely say that my attempt at running without the ihs ended it total failure, after i ended up snapping a pin off the mobo :S

That's hardcore!

 

[nomdeplume]

Skylake is easy with a razer blade and patience... and that's coming from a guy with a world class fucked up arm.

That little stroll down memory lane, twice, was good for an unexpected laugh. Better thermal paste than a razor blade any day.

 

[peche]

Too permanent.
You'll never get that IHS off ever again.

but, its necessary to take it out again? i was thinking in that product cause if you already delid, dont have to repaste since liquid metal its not degradating over the time and needs no re-application

Get black silicone gasket sealer, couple bucks at an auto parts store.

you just provide today's idea, i have shit loads of Black RTV silicone, also Gasket maker too

Regards,

 

[Mussels]

but, its necessary to take it out again? i was thinking in that product cause if you already delid, dont have to repaste since liquid metal its not degradating over the time and needs no re-application


you just provide today's idea, i have shit loads of Black RTV silicone, also Gasket maker too

Regards,

if something went wrong, you'll want to remove it. when i used MX4 on die, it ran within a week and needed to be re-done.

 

[cadaveca]

In other words... they made a CPU that possibly can't handle normal operation, so they're going to artificially hold back its capabilities by making it run so hot it throttles itself down so it won't break. That's like buying a Ferrari capable of 200MPH, but they put a tiny ass rad in it that causes it to overheat after you hit 40MPH because some other components might not be able to handle what the car should be capable of.

That's what happens when you want them to warranty OC. It's not like an extra 200 MHz is going to matter anyway, unless you need the bragging rights. Why would they bother supporting the egoist?

People want chips they can OC, but don't blow up. So that's what we've got. I see no problem in that since I watched it slowly happen over the years, the whole time complaining about those focused on OC. So much so that I don't even put OC in my reviews. Go complain in their faces, not mine. ROFL. I didn't make it this way, they did.

 

[phanbuey]

I think OC'ing is almost more fun than actually using it... i even like OCing really bad chips - i might be compulsive or whatever, but my favore chips were the sempron back in the old days and the e4300 when it came out.

I don't know... i might just like torturing hardware.

 

[R-T-B]

That's what happens when you want them to warranty OC.

I don't think anyone is arguing they should warranty OC. I wouldn't even be against a Mhz checking "efuse" (there may even already be such a thing, dunno).

But they are marketing the k-series to OC'ers. That's plain as day.

Also, I have yet to blow up my Skylake via delidding... nor have I ever heard of such an occurrence. Not sure what that's all about.

 

[Mussels]

K chips should be soldered, or with a seperate IHS in the first place.

 

[cadaveca]

Also, I have yet to blow up my Skylake via delidding... nor have I ever heard of such an occurrence. Not sure what that's all about.

https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/810965300040515584

 

[Folterknecht]

https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/810965300040515584

Sorry Dave but LTT are morons when is comes to delidding - have you seen that video the cobbled together about delidding? It's pure BS ... let me see if I can find it

edit here you go:

 

[Mussels]

did he really do the test with the stock cooler on auto fan speed with the BIOS?

those of us seeing 30C drops because we dont skip half the damn steps and do logical testing disagree with that donkey -.-