Motherboard Vendors Optimistic about High Price-Performance Ratio of AMD Ryzen

[prtskg]

While true, that doesn't really change the fact that waiting to release a product another 3 months will hurt them.

Sure. But if early release means unsatisfactory products (bugs), I'd prefer to wait a while.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I'll just leave this here

 

[ADHDGAMING]

Judging by the chipset heatsink, it's an MSI board.

Saw a picture on Facebook of the PCB of a Gigabyte board without components that sadly looked very similar in terms of features...

i dont think it matters this just looks like a 2d render with placeholder assets

 

[TheLostSwede]

i dont think it matters this just looks like a 2d render with placeholder assets

See my post just before yours...

Also, the MSI board picture is from an AMD presentation, hence why it looks odd.

 

[noname00]

Did anyone have a knee-jerk reaction at reading "high price/performance"? The optimistic position for Zen should be high performance/price or low price/performance. Vendors are optimistic about high price/performance? Basic ratio math fail here.

Yeah, it's like nails on a chalkboard.

 

[Chaitanya]

I'll just leave this here

Only single 16x slot, that's odd.

 

[eidairaman1]

Only single 16x slot, that's odd.

Gaming Board.

 

[ADHDGAMING]

See my post just before yours...

Also, the MSI board picture is from an AMD presentation, hence why it looks odd.

Im not so sure i need to see the Board knowing what the CPU actually supports is more important to me the boards will vary a lot based on who makes em and what they are for.

 

[Assimilator]

Gaming Board.

Every Intel Z-series board has had at least dual x16 slots (one x16 physical, one x8 physical) since Z68 days (except for the mITX ones obviously). That board looks like it has a x16 and an x4 physical which implies either AMD or Gigabyte - or both - don't see multi-GPU as a priority for Ryzen. That's somewhat concerning, especially since AMD's multi-GPU implementation uses the PCIe bus to share data and is thus, theoretically, more sensitive to bandwidth starvation. EDIT: this is completely incorrect, manufacturers have been doing x16/x4 on Intel boards since Z77 days at least.

Also, Gigabyte, ditch the damn COM header already FFS. It's 2016, not 1996. I bet they're gonna slap a bloody VGA connector on it too.

 

[eidairaman1]

Every Intel Z-series board has had at least dual x16 slots (one x16 physical, one x8 physical) since Z68 days (except for the mITX ones obviously). That board looks like it has a x16 and an x4 physical which implies either AMD or Gigabyte - or both - don't see multi-GPU as a priority for Ryzen. That's somewhat concerning, especially since AMD's multi-GPU implementation uses the PCIe bus to share data and is thus, theoretically, more sensitive to bandwidth starvation.

Also, Gigabyte, ditch the damn COM header already FFS. It's 2016, not 1996. I bet they're gonna slap a bloody VGA connector on it too.

Realize that GA releases several different boards for different price ranges. If anything a UD5 and UD 7 will have several peg slots.

 

[YautjaLord]

Eight more days then.

Pic in this article is the same one that was used in the AMD's "New Horizon" event & quite frankly i found it really badly Photoshop'd something, odd looking really back then, even odder now, same level of odd only goes to that single x16 PCIe slot connectors on GA-AX370 Gaming; good thing something like that GA-AX370 still pops up. Can't quite disclose how i feel bout these news, really? lol

So, yeah - eight more days: CES 2017 takes place in Jan 5 thru 8. Jan 5th is next Thursday = 8 more days from now. Who's gonna do the coverage?

Thanx regardless bta & TheLostSwede for news & for that GA-AX370 pic respectively.

P.S. Two things are given though: still waiting for proper benchmarks of this thing here & regardless of how this'll turn out by then, will be looking for AM4 liquid cooling solutions from any vendor, (EKWB preferably tho ) be it while CES still running and/or after that.

 

[m1dg3t]

Hopefully we will get some high end SFF boards this time...

This. Sooooo much this.

 

[Dimi]

High price to performance ratio? How is that a good thing?

I am not falling for any AMD hype this time around.

 

[uuuaaaaaa]

In the mean time: ZenOC@Air=5G

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5krghq/remember_the_canard_pc_magazine_about_zen_it_has/

 

[infrared]

I can't wait to see how it does, very tempted to snatch one up as soon as they're available. That Gigabyte board looks great @TheLostSwede , thanks for posting it It's cool to see it before all the components are placed & soldered too!

It doesn't look like all hype, the benchmark numbers look solid considering the low clocks of the ES chips. There is real potential in Ryzen, pretty excited to see AMD back. Roll on Q2 2017!

Edit: even if you're not interested in Ryzen as a customer, be happy that it will bring intel's prices back down from the stratosphere if it's successful, everyone benefits from AMD back in the game

 

[Totally]

Every Intel Z-series board has had at least dual x16 slots (one x16 physical, one x8 physical) since Z68 days (except for the mITX ones obviously). That board looks like it has a x16 and an x4 physical which implies either AMD or Gigabyte - or both - don't see multi-GPU as a priority for Ryzen. That's somewhat concerning, especially since AMD's multi-GPU implementation uses the PCIe bus to share data and is thus, theoretically, more sensitive to bandwidth starvation.

Also, Gigabyte, ditch the damn COM header already FFS. It's 2016, not 1996. I bet they're gonna slap a bloody VGA connector on it too.

You must not look at Gigabyte boards often this is a typical setup for them, and the x4 slot you see there will either be physically x16 or an open-ended x8 slot.

 

[ensabrenoir]

I can't wait to see how it does, very tempted to snatch one up as soon as they're available. That Gigabyte board looks great @TheLostSwede , thanks for posting it It's cool to see it before all the components are placed & soldered too!

It doesn't look like all hype, the benchmark numbers look solid considering the low clocks of the ES chips. There is real potential in Ryzen, pretty excited to see AMD back. Roll on Q2 2017!

Edit: even if you're not interested in Ryzen as a customer, be happy that it will bring intel's prices back down from the stratosphere if it's successful, everyone benefits from AMD back in the game

.................................ah no. Don't think Intel or Nvdia gives a rats' whisker enough to adjust their pricing......unless its to move old stock before new ones releases......sometimes.........

 

[eidairaman1]

i just reviewed the original image posted for this topic, those locking tabs are what Asus Uses (PITA if you ask me), Unless AsRock Uses them too...

 

[lexluthermiester]

According to recent news/rumors It most likely won't be compatible.

That would likely be incorrect. AMD has indicated that the spacing of the mounting holes will be identical, thus making all AM3 compatible coolers also compatible with AM4. However some hardware sites are stating that the spacing of the HS mounting holes are changing. I'm inclined to go with what AMD themselves have stated, but we'll see. As we all know, things change.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'll just leave this here

I'm just eye-balling it, but the HS mounting holes look spot-on for AM3 compatibility... Just saying..

 

[Basard]

If you can buy new mobo + cpu then you can afford new cooler.

Mobo + CPU is not equal to mobo + CPU + cooler.

 

[Jism]

Different hole spacing:

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cp...will_not_be_compatible_with_old_cpu_coolers/1

I'm pretty sure populair vendors create / design something so you can re-use your cooler. They did it before, make some sort of bracket to support the new socket dimensions.

Hopefully we will get some high end SFF boards this time...

The only high-end available depends on the CPU you are sticking in. The CPU holds the chipset / NB and all that stuff these days with AMD. So your basicly buying a motherboard that offers a south-bridge, a VRM, all the PCI-express slots, S-ata ports and all, and that's it.

No more cherry picked high-end boards with chipsets on steroids, straight lotterly of silicon. I was always a fan of oc'ing by FSB and having the best possible chipset available, not MP. FSB simply increases the rest of the system along with it.

But the CPU power is more then enough for now for most usual tasks.

 

[jigar2speed]

Every Intel Z-series board has had at least dual x16 slots (one x16 physical, one x8 physical) since Z68 days (except for the mITX ones obviously). That board looks like it has a x16 and an x4 physical which implies either AMD or Gigabyte - or both - don't see multi-GPU as a priority for Ryzen. That's somewhat concerning, especially since AMD's multi-GPU implementation uses the PCIe bus to share data and is thus, theoretically, more sensitive to bandwidth starvation.

I agree, AMD is doomed i tell you.

 

[Assimilator]

You must not look at Gigabyte boards often this is a typical setup for them, and the x8 slot you see there will either be physically x16 or an open-ended x8 slot.

You are 100% correct and I am 100% wrong. Even the motherboard I bought for my brother (Z77-D3H) has a x16/x4 setup. I guess I never noticed this because I only look at high-end boards that do at least physical x8 like my Z77X-UD5H.

.................................ah no. Don't think Intel or Nvdia gives a rats' whisker enough to adjust their pricing......unless its to move old stock before new ones releases......sometimes.........

Intel will have to adjust their pricing if Ryzen is competitive enough. I'm going to be building a new PC next year - Z77 and "only" a quad-core Ivy Bridge CPU are getting a bit long in the tooth, to move up more physical cores currently I would have to go with an Intel HEDT platform and I just can't justify that cost. If Ryzen really does have comparable IPC to Haswell it'll be 8 physical cores and faster than IVB - and unless Intel slash the price of their HEDT chips they literally don't have anything that can compete.

tl;dr if you're still on Sandy/Ivy Bridge like a very large number of PC enthusiasts, Ryzen is looking like a great opportunity to finally move up to better performance, 8 physical cores and a modern feature set (NVMe, USB 3.1) for hopefully not too much cash. I'm certainly looking forward to it more than I've anticipated any AMD product launch in literally half a decade.

 

[Vlada011]

I couldn't use on this socket again... No, no...
I like to see Intel socket, huge LGA 2011-3 or LGA 2066.
On Intel socket is harder to install CPU but look much sophisticated and more cool.
Nothing can compare with Intel motherboards with Xtreme chipset. AMD Crosshairs never reach that level as Rampage, even not as Maximus.

I say before Intel don't need to worry. His customers play almost 3 years on same performance as Ryzen and looks like Ryzen will arrive only few months before new Xtreme socket 2066. Adjusting price on 399-499-999 for 6-8-10 cores Intel lose nothing. They will only back on same price level as with X58 and X79 with only 2 cores improvements. Than we have battle between Ryzen for 400-500$ and between Intel 8 core Skylake Xtreme for similar price or 100$ more.
AMD if launch same as X99 is 2.5-3 years behind Intel. And customers much more believe to Intel, they will rather to go on Intel for high end and some of them will be suspicious to AMD. AMD will need time to back in same truck, I mean in same truck but behind Intel. Now Intel is in 3rd and AMD is in truck for broken vehichles...

Intel could optimize price as he want... maybe even 359$ - 599$ - 999$ for 6-8-10 cores and all of them 48 PCI-E lanes. Than everyone will get crazy good CPU.