Crunchers Helping Crunchers

[stinger608]

I was just kind of messing around and I actually found that card bro. Sitting on the bench by one of the crunchers, so if ya need it man, just let me know. I can get er shipped first of the week.

 

[Papahyooie]

I have a i5 4690 that I am trying to get into the game, but as soon as I give it three cores, it starts frying itself. It's hitting 72C on just two cores
This is at stock clocks, with a stock intel cooler.

Does anybody have a decent cooler they want to get rid of? 2 cores at 60% is the MAX I can do with this chip on this cooler. Any more, and it runs for a few hours and crashes.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

Because of the cost of shipping, this might be your best bet: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ARGU8RQ/?tag=tec06d-20

it runs for a few hours and crashes.

I'd say something is wrong with your system. Crunching does not overload systems, but it will expose unstable systems. It doesn't look like it's a temperature issue though.

 

[Papahyooie]

Because of the cost of shipping, this might be your best bet: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ARGU8RQ/?tag=tec06d-20

I'd say something is wrong with your system. Crunching does not overload systems, but it will expose unstable systems. It doesn't look like it's a temperature issue though.

From what I can find, 72C is the throttle temp on this chip. If I try to run all 4 cores at 100%, it hits 90C and eventually crashes. Or if I try to run 3 cores at 60% it eventually hits 77. Or 2 cores at 100% it hits 78. So I'm pretty sure it is a temp problem.
If nobody has anything they're trying to get rid of, I'll probably go for that, or maybe a 212 evo. Just wanted to check here first and see if anyone had one for sale. Thanks for the recommendation!

 

[manofthem]

I think I'd suggest remounting the cooler. The stock Intel hsf did better than that for me an i7 4790 crunching 24/7. Remove, repaste, reinstall, recheck...thats what I would do.

I wish I had something, but I don't have any decent cooler around, sorry.

 

[Papahyooie]

I repasted and remounted the cooler a while back to try to improve it. I suppose I can try again. Gotta be something weird going on, I suppose. However, the stock cooler on this was WAY smaller than any other intel I've ever bought. It is seriously tiny and flimsy, like I could bend the fins. The fan is tiny and mounted on little plastic legs above the aluminum. But then again, I haven't bought an intel before this one for a long time, so that may be the normal these days.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

I repasted and remounted the cooler a while back to try to improve it. I suppose I can try again. Gotta be something weird going on, I suppose. However, the stock cooler on this was WAY smaller than any other intel I've ever bought. It is seriously tiny and flimsy, like I could bend the fins. The fan is tiny and mounted on little plastic legs above the aluminum. But then again, I haven't bought an intel before this one for a long time, so that may be the normal these days.

Picture please. That doesn't sound like a stock Intel fan. Does it look like:

And does it have a cooper core like this:

From what I can find, 72C is the throttle temp on this chip.

Try installing RealTemp from TPU. It will show how close you are to temperature limits.
Here's my system. See the distance to TJMax?

 

[Papahyooie]

Yea, that's pretty much what it looks like. The last time I bought an intel processor, the cooler was a lot more beefy, and was square-shaped instead of round. Or maybe I'm misrembering? Either way, the cooler sucks compared to any aftermarket solution, quality-wise. I'll install realtemp and see what it says.

EDIT: Is the distance to TJmax the distance to throttle temp? Or shutdown?

 

[thebluebumblebee]

EDIT: Is the distance to TJmax the distance to throttle temp? Or shutdown?

See this post and the one after it.
RealTemp General Discussion

 

[Papahyooie]

Alright, so this is with my current settings of 2 cores at 60%

I'm ok with that. Ignore HWMonitor's max temp because I didn't reset it.

This is at 100%, 4 cores.

So it says it's ~10C from TJMax, which from what I understand is throttle. (Which doesn't jive with all the googling I've done, which says the throttle temp is 72C, but I'll trust the method TPU used)
This is after just about 2 minutes of running it. After about an hour or so at this level, it will eventually shut the computer down. Either way.... 90C can't be good whatever the TJMax is, right? Am I crazy for thinking the temps are causing the shutdowns? Do I just have a terrible chip that can't handle its own stock clock speed?

 

[infrared]

It won't throttle until 100c, but that cooler is obviously 'only just' doing the job. I'd grab a 212 Evo, it'll be a lot quieter too

Temps like yours won't cause it to shut down, something else must be going on. I believe the shutdown temp is ~125c for most intel cpu's (off the top of my head, so could be wrong).

Edit: on a side note, I don't believe you've got a bad chip at all, the max VID shown there is 1.165v, which is pretty good. It's just a rubbish cooler. Dunno why it's shutting down tho, that's weird. Is it a hard shut down, ie just black screen and restart? or is it shutting down via windows? Your psu might be causing the problems. scratch that, just seen you have an 800w coolermaster in there. Hmmm

 

[thebluebumblebee]

Is this the cooler that came in the retail box with the i5-4690? If so, something's not right. Are you sure the cooler is properly seated? (look on the back side of the motherboard and all of the tabs should be through with the locking pins pushing the tabs out to lock onto the motherboard.) I'm off to try to find a picture or illustration
Edit: Okay, about 2:20 into this video

 

[Papahyooie]

Well, I've been around this rodeo enough times to know how to install a cooler lol. BUT on my lunch break I went home and checked it out, cleaned it off and put some new TIM on it and reinstalled (again). It DID help a bit. Now my temps are around 70-75 at full load (100%, 4 cores) so that's much better, but still not where I want it to be so I'll probably still buy a 212 or something. I'll let it run like this for a few hours and see if it shuts down again.

As for details on the previous shutdowns, yea it's a hard shutdown. Black screen, fans still spin but it never comes back to life.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

Well, I've been around this rodeo enough times to know how to install a cooler lol.

Sorry, but it's so hard to tell someone's computer experience across the Internet. No offense intended.
I did notice though that it seems like you are running all 4 cores at 3.9. That just might be enough to cause the heat issue. Putting them back to the way Intel intended would be a good place to start.

 

[Papahyooie]

Sorry, but it's so hard to tell someone's computer experience across the Internet. No offense intended.
I did notice though that it seems like you are running all 4 cores at 3.9. That just might be enough to cause the heat issue. Putting them back to the way Intel intended would be a good place to start.

Oh I know. No offense taken. Heck, it even helped me, so thanks.

I haven't done any overclocking whatsoever. This is all stock. 3.9ghz is the boost clock. When they're all running 100%, they settle out at 3699mhz apiece. If you were looking at the max clock on HWMonitor in that screenshot, it's because they all shoot up at first, then settle down. Either way, whatever it's behavior is what intel intended, because I haven't touched anything on this one. Haven't had the chance due to the temps lol.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

Some of the motherboards have that "feature", where they set the boost clock for all cores the same, and they default to that. Here is what Intel intended: (the other two CPU's are there because of the TPU hosting label)

 

[Papahyooie]

Yea, that jives exactly with what I see. When all 4 cores are being hammered, they all settle at 3699mhz (which is obviously 3.7 ghz). So that's exactly what it should be doing right? Where did you see something different?

Also, it hasn't crashed yet... I'm amazed, because I just removed the cooler and reapplied paste a month or two ago. Perhaps it wasn't seated well... who knows?

 

[thebluebumblebee]

I'm sorry, I misinterpreted what HWmonitor showed. You are correct, all cores at 3.7.

 

[Papahyooie]

I'm sorry, I misinterpreted what HWmonitor showed. You are correct, all cores at 3.7.

Yea, I did the same thing at first myself. Reading the max was my mistake. No worries! Hopefully this chip will go ahead and keep running. 4 more cores in the fight!

 

[brandonwh64]

Well guys, my last cruncher went a week or so back to a good home. I have a I5-2400 with OEM motherboard and some ram but I don't know if it would be worth getting crunching since its only 4 cores not HT.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

i5-2400 is a perfectly fine cruncher.

 

[jboydgolfer]

Well guys, my last cruncher went a week or so back to a good home. I have a I5-2400 with OEM motherboard and some ram but I don't know if it would be worth getting crunching since its only 4 cores not HT.

I ran off one of those for a couple months, I don't remember the exact daily numbers but it was nothing to scoff at. Depending on what you consider "worth it".

iirc
5000+\day

 

[F150_Raptor]

What's up everyone! I haven't been around in a long time. A lot has changed, I don't know if this is the right place to put this but I'll give it a shot. I looking to get rid of my SR-2 with 2 x5670's and my Supermicro 2042g-6rf server with 4 6176 se's. I don't know what they're worth anymore. Any help would be appreciated, or if anyone is interested make me an offer.

 

[stinger608]

I haven't been around in a long time.

It has been a long time man!!!!! Good to see you come back around bro!!!

Wow, the SR-2's I think are still going strong in the $200 area, if I'm not mistaken. The Xeon 5670's seem to still be bringing around the $100 mark. I would think that you could get around $300 to $350 shipped for a combo. If you're adding in memory, you might be able to bring in around $375 to $400 or so shipped depending on what memory is with it.

The Supermicro I have not a clue on that puppy.

From doing a little bit of research, it would appear that the Supermicro is an actual 2U server chassis? If that is the case, they are selling new for $1500 to $2000!

Seems as though the Opteron chips themselves don't really sell for very much but I would think you could sell the entire system for $1000 easy. Maybe sell that system locally as shipping would be a big PITA!

 

[F150_Raptor]

Thanks, Stinger. Yeah the server is a 2u chassis and weighs about 80 lbs. I live way up in northern maine now, nobody up here would buy it that i could think of.