Dell Unveils 32", 8K UltraSharp Monitor

[dalekdukesboy]

at 200% on a 40" i cant read half the text as it is! i'm rubbing my eyeballs on the screen to read the FPS/ping counter in starcraft, or read the steam overlay

i need to find you and scrape our your eyeballs, mine seem to be in need of an upgrade.

You will lose the thought of far away vision. I am great up close, not so much at a distance.

Guys, this is not a gaming monitor. Is perfect for professional use.
However good luck with Java/Flash applications and web pages. Is going to be a horror running those properly.

I'm curious what apps those are, cause aside from the Microsoft Management Console, and various game launchers (Steam, Battle.net, Origin, GOG Galaxy, UPlay) I just don't have anything I regularly use that doesn't do scaling...

Wow, sounds like old guys who have even worse eyes than typical for their age from years of frying them out viewing pc screens too many hours

Need new eyes forget the insurance

I can see close up just as well as cdawall, but I'm just fine for far distance viewing too.. and everything in between D:



Unfortunately, as much as we want faster panels, IPS just can't go much lower than 4ms with current tech. I personally don't notice any blurriness with my older 8ms IPS screens, so I'm fine on that front. The bigger worry for me is the scaler/TCON/interface conversion step, where there have been recorded cases of a 50+ms extra delay there... That's a literal continent worth of extra lag for gaming!

As for it being 8ms or less right now, I'll point to the current crop of 15.6" 4K panels that are shipping in laptops: they do 8ms or less already. This 8K panel is basically a higher-end, 32-ish" variant of those (4 of em stuck together). Likely cut from the same substrate, but 4x bigger..

Yes, hence why you pointing to laptops simply helps solidify my point as to why most laptops are useless in my opinion for gaming and anything that moves faster than a snail. I'm on such a laptop now till I rebuild desktop and just moving the mouse around reminds me of why I won't use this for any gaming or much video unless I have to. Yeah literal 50+ ms is not acceptable for any use even at half that it would make me hate it. So question, "you don't note blurriness on 8 ms screens etc" but what are you doing with them?

 

[Smanci]

Yes, hence why you pointing to laptops simply helps solidify my point as to why most laptops are useless in my opinion for gaming and anything that moves faster than a snail. So question, "you don't note blurriness on 8 ms screens etc" but what are you doing with them?

Could be gaming. Huge amount of people don't seem to notice it, even people who game hours a day. It's also funny to observe the confirmation bias and ignorance with "4ms" VA panels, "1ms" TN and "8ms" IPS panels when the actual response times and lag often are nowhere close to the advertised values but some still keep claiming these are blazing fast or slow.

 

[D007]

Oh side note.. Games and operating systems are still having a hard time working out DPI with 4k..
I can't even imagine how many text and UI related issues people will have with 8k..

 

[ZeDestructor]

Yes, hence why you pointing to laptops simply helps solidify my point as to why most laptops are useless in my opinion for gaming and anything that moves faster than a snail. I'm on such a laptop now till I rebuild desktop and just moving the mouse around reminds me of why I won't use this for any gaming or much video unless I have to. Yeah literal 50+ ms is not acceptable for any use even at half that it would make me hate it. So question, "you don't note blurriness on 8 ms screens etc" but what are you doing with them?

I used it as a point of measure, not as a gaming machine (even though mine can crank out enough overwatch frames at 1600x900...). For games, I don't really mind sticking to 2K/1080p.. it's plenty for games to be very enjoyable. I care for high resolutions because I read a LOT of crap on my various screens (think all of Wheel of Time in 2 weeks, about 2/3 of which I read on the desktop), and 90-100ppi doesn't cut it. Hell, even 200ppi doesn't cut it - I'm looking for 300+ppi for desktop use so it gets decently close to basic printed media (most media is 600dpi, but 300dpi is where it gets acceptable).

Could be gaming. Huge amount of people don't seem to notice it, even people who game hours a day. It's also funny to observe the confirmation bias and ignorance with "4ms" VA panels, "1ms" TN and "8ms" IPS panels when the actual response times and lag often are nowhere close to the advertised values but some still keep claiming these are blazing fast or slow.

Mhm. I really could not see the difference between a 240Hz CRT and my old laptop's 8ms TN LCD back in the day. The problems aren't imaginary - far from it, I could spot em on my Dell 2408 (ghosting in particular), but a good IPS vs a CRT is a much harder one for me to see.

Or maybe I just have terrible motion perception. That's possible too.

Oh side note.. Games and operating systems are still having a hard time working out DPI with 4k..
I can't even imagine how many text and UI related issues people will have with 8k..

Again, list me your shitty programs, cause so far the only valid ones that have been listed to me are launchers/libraries (where it doesn't actually matter) and Adobe CS, and Adobe CS has a set of betas with scaling support out already, apparently. For the base stuff most people do (Internet, MSOffice), all the programs scale fine. In my personal case, I have a few programming related stuff (Cygwin/bash on windows/powershell, Visual Studio, QTCreator) and all of 'em scale just fine already. The only major exception I have is MMC (Microsoft Management Console, which amongst other things hosts the device manager and volume manager), but really, I'm only ever in there to unfuck something.. and I suspect MS will patch that up eventually for Hyper-V/SCCM reasons.

For games, scaling is implicitly present in literally any game that supports multiple resolutions, which is the vast, vast majority of em since the mid 90s. Poor Diablo 2 though...

Edit: for the record, I run 125% scaling on my laptop, and that makes for really blurry text in MMC...

 

[Hedgemon]

What a powerhouse of Pixels.
However, I've been gaming on 4K for a bit now, and the difficulty of running a decent game is gone now with the latest Nvidia cards. However, even with my Dual GTX 1080's I find it'll be hard to hit 60 FPS on an 8K Monitor in game. I just wish we would have one viable option for a 4K Monitor that's 100hz or above.

 

[ZeDestructor]

What a powerhouse of Pixels.
However, I've been gaming on 4K for a bit now, and the difficulty of running a decent game is gone now with the latest Nvidia cards. However, even with my Dual GTX 1080's I find it'll be hard to hit 60 FPS on an 8K Monitor in game.

I suspect that, like myself, nobody buying an 8K monitor will have any issues running games at 4K or 2.5K or even 2K scaled up onto an 8K display for the time being. Later, when GPUs are even more monstruous, they'll upgrade GPU and push the res up as possible. A monitor, and all other peripherals for that matter, are fairly long-term investments, so buying now to reap the immediate benefit during daily use and games later is a perfectly sane thing to do.

I just wish we would have one viable option for a 4K Monitor that's 100hz or above.

I present to you, the Asus PG27UQ.

tl;dr: 27", 4K, 144Hz, GSYNC HDR, IPS-type (rumoured to be AUO's AHVA tech), Quantum Dot, 1000cd/m² max, DCI-P3 gamut (125% of sRGB), HDR support (including local backlight dimming with 384 zones). No static contrast ratio number specced though.

EDIT: 1199USD, 2017Q3

 

[Hedgemon]

Oh Jesus. That thing is a beauty in all regards. Im only afraid of the price once it hits the shelves. Ill probably still get it, but dont really wanna mortgage my house for it either. Well, since Q3 is a grip away, might as well start saving now, right?

 

[ZeDestructor]

Oh Jesus. That thing is a beauty in all regards. Im only afraid of the price once it hits the shelves. Ill probably still get it, but dont really wanna mortgage my house for it either. Well, since Q3 is a grip away, might as well start saving now, right?

1199USD expected price, according to TFTCentral.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Interesting...but speaking of response times what is this Asus 4k 144mhz response time in m.s.?

Rest of the specs are great and probably "firsts" all put together but again the lack of that number (unless I missed it) somewhat throws a red flag up to me.

ZeDestructor said
"Mhm. I really could not see the difference between a 240Hz CRT and my old laptop's 8ms TN LCD back in the day. The problems aren't imaginary - far from it, I could spot em on my Dell 2408 (ghosting in particular), but a good IPS vs a CRT is a much harder one for me to see.

Or maybe I just have terrible motion perception. That's possible too."

Also yes ZeDestructor, no offense, but if you can't tell the difference in motion blur between a 240mhz Crt and 8 ms screens....yeah you can't see motion for shit. At least I give you credit you admit you can't but problem exists but for whatever reason to you it all looks fine for whatever reason

 

[ZeDestructor]

Interesting...but speaking of response times what is this Asus 4k 144mhz response time in m.s.?

Rest of the specs are great and probably "firsts" all put together but again the lack of that number (unless I missed it) somewhat throws a red flag up to me.

It's not mentioned besides being "minimal motion blur, and near-zero input latency, compared to the 22-41ms of latency added by recommended HDR TVs" We know it's less than 22ms from there (end to end). Knowing AUO's previous 1440p, 4ms AHVA panel, and the results of that panel's GSYNC implementation (3ms measured latency, of which 0.25ms was processing/scaler/interface conversion and 2.75ms was pixel response time), however, it is most likely that the Asus PG27UQ will hit 4ms or less pixel response time with near-zero latency from the GSYNC scaler/conversion module.

Also yes ZeDestructor, no offense, but if you can't tell the difference in motion blur between a 240mhz Crt and 8 ms screens....yeah you can't see motion for shit. At least I give you credit you admit you can't but problem exists but for whatever reason to you it all looks fine for whatever reason

I never said it didn't exist, just that it's irrelevant for the vast, vast majority of people, myself included. For those of you who do care, there's high end, high refresh-rate panels out there for you guys, but none of em are 8K yet.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

It's not mentioned besides being "minimal motion blur, and near-zero input latency, compared to the 22-41ms of latency added by recommended HDR TVs" We know it's less than 22ms from there (end to end). Knowing AUO's previous 1440p, 4ms AHVA panel, and the results of that panel's GSYNC implementation (3ms measured latency, of which 0.25ms was processing/scaler/interface conversion and 2.75ms was pixel response time), however, it is most likely that the Asus PG27UQ will hit 4ms or less pixel response time with near-zero latency from the GSYNC scaler/conversion module.

Thanks, I kinda noticed it was lacking I saw bit about zero input with nvidia nsync etc and one reference to ms but it wasn't a definitive number just saying how it was improved etc. IF it's 4 ms....that's ok, still not ideal but obviously much better than 8ms and no input lag obviously is great for people who play games where lag gets you killed like online with other players COD and so forth, admittedly not what I do but I get the concept.

I never said it didn't exist, just that it's irrelevant for the vast, vast majority of people, myself included. For those of you who do care, there's high end, high refresh-rate panels out there for you guys, but none of em are 8K yet.

No I know, I even said thanks for saying it is a problem and isn't imaginary so not sure why you are saying "I never said it exists" like I implied you did. I said "At least I give you credit you admit you can't (see the delay that is) but problem exists..." Maybe I put that poorly or you missed it but that is me expressly giving you credit in my words for noting it is a real problem for some and obviously is widely talked about due to that. Not sure I agree it's irrelevant for vast majority of people (especially if we are talking gamers/cpu enthusiasts in particular), but yeah average guy who uses a cpu to watch youtube and get his email and doesn't read techpowerup or even know a cpu vs gpu or what thermal paste is probably won't notice and/or care much about little blur in what he does.[/QUOTE]

 

[ZeDestructor]

Thanks, I kinda noticed it was lacking I saw bit about zero input with nvidia nsync etc and one reference to ms but it wasn't a definitive number just saying how it was improved etc. IF it's 4 ms....that's ok, still not ideal but obviously much better than 8ms and no input lag obviously is great for people who play games where lag gets you killed like online with other players COD and so forth, admittedly not what I do but I get the concept.

For all the bitching nV gets on GSYNC, you have to admit that their monitor-side GSYNC module is a marvel of low-latency decoding tech

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Gsync yeah that lol, not nsync still early sorry. I can only take your word for it, never used the technology sounds fine but no experience with it, so no bitching here on it or praise only know of it never applied it to comment.

 

[ZeDestructor]

Gsync yeah that lol, not nsync still early sorry. I can only take your word for it, never used the technology sounds fine but no experience with it, so no bitching here on it or praise only know of it never applied it to comment.

The results don't lie - <1ms to turn a DP packet stream into some raw analog stuff the TCON can use is hard.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I'm sure you're right, heck I'm half asleep quoting a band name rather than the right term so yeah I know squat about it and admit it. Then again you can't tell the difference between 8 ms and 0 so why would a 1 ms time impress you?

 

[ZeDestructor]

I'm sure you're right, heck I'm half asleep quoting a band name rather than the right term so yeah I know squat about it and admit it. Then again you can't tell the difference between 8 ms and 0 so why would a 1 ms time impress you?

I'm a nerd with a bakground in hardware design and EE.. I like seeing really fast stuff!

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I'm a nerd with a bakground in hardware design and EE.. I like seeing really fast stuff!

Sorry I just saw the irony with your post praising quick ms responses after our disagreement on monitor response times etc, was just a joke I couldn't pass on.

 

[ZeDestructor]

Sorry I just saw the irony with your post praising quick ms responses after our disagreement on monitor response times etc, was just a joke I couldn't pass on.

Haha, it is a bit ironic, isn't it?