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And they could do that just as easily with focus group testing.

Yes, because it's so easy to replicate all the real world use cases within a control group. There's practically no difference.

Telemetry does more that just measure system metrics. With Windows 10, it is keystroke logging[don't argue that point, it has been proven] which records and transmits EVERYTHING you type[emails, passwords, credit card numbers, etc. etc] to Microsoft. That is NOT the behavior of a entity that respects it's users. Entire governments have banned the use of Windows 10 because it's so insecure. If they are not going to tolerate it, why should we be expected to?

I will argue that point. Keylogging was forcibly enabled in Win10 pre-release builds. And for a (seemingly) good reason: Microsoft needed the info to debug/tune their on-screen keyboard and Cortana. This has been an optional feature since the official release.

Yes, key word; REASONABLE!

It is NOT reasonable or acceptable to spy on people's computing habits when they are effectively unaware of it. It is foul, creepy and just plain wrong. Few people actually read the EULA's, so most do not realize the level of information that is being collected and used.

People are unaware of many things. If we stopped messing with everything people are unaware of, we wouldn't be doing anything.

Quit being a sheep and stand up for your rights as a human being. You have the right NOT to be spied on. You have the right to reasonable privacy.

Oh, but I do have the right not to be spied on. I know where to find the privacy control panel in Win10, I do not install GFE and I do use Linux.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yes, because it's so easy to replicate all the real world use cases within a control group. There's practically no difference.

Actually, there's a big difference. One group volunteer's and is usually compensated. Another is forced to participate without any compensation at all.

I will argue that point. Keylogging was forcibly enabled in Win10 pre-release builds. And for a (seemingly) good reason: Microsoft needed the info to debug/tune their on-screen keyboard and Cortana. This has been an optional feature since the official release.

Ok want proof? Open a command prompt with admin authority and type the following command; " sc diagtrack query " without the quotes. That command will show you statistics for the service, including it's running state. And tell us all what you see. If you're honest at all and you leave your pride aside you'll see it's running. Now type in " sc stop diagtrack ", again without the quotes and you'll see the result; " SC OpenService FAILED; Access Denied ". That is a simple test that proves it's still present on the system and still tracking EVERYTHING you do on Windows 10. The only way proven to disable this service is to go into regedit and take ownership of all instances of entries containing references to diagtrack and then deleting them.

People are unaware of many things. If we stopped messing with everything people are unaware of, we wouldn't be doing anything.

Ok

Oh, but I do have the right not to be spied on. I know where to find the privacy control panel in Win10, I do not install GFE and I do use Linux.

The privacy control panel does nothing to shut off the really dangerous aspects of what Microsoft is doing. Please go do some research, get your feet on the ground and your head out of the sand.

The main things I remove on first boot after an install is Diagtrack, Windows Defender, Cortana, Internet Explorer, Edge and OneDrive. I then install a GOOD AntiVirus/AntiMalware[you know, something that actually WORKS], a GOOD third party firewall and apply some tweaks.

Running Windows 10 safely and securely is a pain in the neck.

 

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Ok want proof? Open a command prompt with admin authority and type the following command; " sc diagtrack query " without the quotes. That command will show you statistics for the service, including it's running state. And tell us all what you see. If you're honest at all and you leave your pride aside you'll see it's running. Now type in " sc stop diagtrack ", again without the quotes and you'll see the result; " SC OpenService FAILED; Access Denied ". That is a simple test that proves it's still present on the system and still tracking EVERYTHING you do on Windows 10. The only way proven to disable this service is to go into regedit and take ownership of all instances of entries containing references to diagtrack and then deleting them.

That alone establishes who's misinformed here. The fact that the service is running does not mean it collects your keystrokes.
A primer on Win10 telemetry here: http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-telemetry-secrets/
and here: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us...figure-windows-telemetry-in-your-organization

(and yes, it can be worse than a keylogger, but it's configurable)

 

[lexluthermiester]

That alone establishes who's misinformed here. The fact that the service is running does not mean it collects your keystrokes.
A primer on Win10 telemetry here: http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-telemetry-secrets/
and here: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us...figure-windows-telemetry-in-your-organization

Right. Did you miss the parts were it's stated that the offending service it is enabled[IE pre-configured in the running state, and in all versions of Windows 8/8.1/10] by default? That means that it is, in fact, running AND tracking ALL user activities by default and sending them to Microsoft.

(and yes, it can be worse than a keylogger, but it's configurable)

And as mentioned above, is configured by default in the running state. And lets face it, how many people are going to have the where-with-all to read up on how to configure it to not run? Think that's very likely? And can we trust that the configuration will not be changed back to it's default state after an update[which keeps happening over and over again]?

Microsoft doesn't honor us, respect us or our rights and as a result are not worthy of our trust. If you want to trust Microsoft, an entity with NO legal liability or accountability[read the EULA] and has a PROVEN track record of untrustworthy activities[which they've been sued for and lost] go right ahead.

I've been a victim of identity fraud twice which caused over a decade's worth of headache and hassles. Once due to my own ignorance and once due to a company, not unlike Microsoft, being careless with my personal info. Believe me, there will not be a third time. I guard my personal life and info with an absolute ferocity. I trust no one I don't personally know. Perhaps I'm on the extreme end of this equation. However, when it comes to protecting your privacy, wouldn't you prefer to error on the side of caution instead of defending a company that has zero regard for you? Come on bud, take a step back and see reality for what it is. Microsoft is not worthy of and does not deserve your trust. On ANY level! And getting back to the topic, neither does Nvidia.

If you hadn't figured it out yet, I will NEVER concede on this matter. Have seen the evidence myself and have been given exceptional reason not to. Get in the know, error on the side of caution and uphold your rights to absolute privacy.

 

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Right. Did you miss the parts were it's stated that the offending service it is enabled[IE pre-configured in the running state, and in all versions of Windows 8/8.1/10] by default? That means that it is, in fact, running AND tracking ALL user activities by default and sending them to Microsoft.

A telemetry service being enabled does not automatically mean it's collecting your key strokes. It does in this case. but any other default would have defeated the purpose.

... However, when it comes to protecting your privacy, wouldn't you prefer to error on the side of caution ...

Prefer it? Absolutely. Rant about it on unrelated forums? Not so much.

 

[lexluthermiester]

A telemetry service being enabled does not automatically mean it's collecting your key strokes. It does in this case. but any other default would have defeated the purpose.

That is what you and many others misunderstand. The files that logged info are stored in continue to gain volume and are frequently accessed regardless of the privacy settings that are selected by the user. Said files are still being maintained by the system and transmitted to ip addresses owned by Microsoft. While it is not possible to view the contents of said files, it is possible to see if anything is being put into them. As a test I opened up Wordpad and typed a out a long string of random characters. I then hit "select all" and copied back in a few hundred times. Then saved the file. It's final size was 6MB. I then watched the log files for size change and while it wasn't the exact same, it was proportionally similar. Then I let the system sit for a day or two doing nothing[but not letting the system sleep]. The log files hardly changed. Then I let the system get online and the system swiftly accessed and transmitted the files[setting them back to a smaller size]. This is true for every version of 10 up to 14393, as I've not allowed any updates since then[disabled BITS service followed by the update service].

You can believe whatever you wish, but the evidence speaks for itself and is there for all to find/see. Microsoft IS lying about the diagtrack service shutting off upon user request and it IS most definitely keystroke logging.

Prefer it? Absolutely. Rant about it on unrelated forums? Not so much.

Unrelated? This topic is about Nvidia's telemetry. That segued into the Microsoft issue as an example and how dangerous it can be if we ignore it. But I digress..

 

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Unrelated? This topic is about Nvidia's telemetry. That segued into the Microsoft issue as an example and how dangerous it can be if we ignore it. But I digress..

Unrelated. You don't like Win10 or GFE, go complain to Microsoft and Nvidia.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Unrelated. You don't like Win10 or GFE, go complain to Microsoft and Nvidia.

You say that like you think I haven't. Think that over again.

Ok, so this about ego for you? Makes sense given the insults. Have it your way, shutting up.