X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[Peter Lindgren]

Welcome, and that's a pretty good OC with low voltage, very nice!

Thanks!

I was surprised since it is an ES CPU which I have heard OC very bad.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Nope, the one I have is a 3960x ES and you can go back and read and see it overclocks pretty well and memory controller also is fairly strong for a Sandy Bridge-E. Es's are from what I see some of the best clockers out there, but support in newer bioses can be non-existent due to not being legitimate retail cpus.

 

[Peter Lindgren]

What do you think about => http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-...265715?hash=item5d64fd1373:g:jVoAAOSw6btXRWI2

Will it work? I have rev1.0 of my X79-UD3

With my 4930k @4.5Ghz I get a total of 27Ghz

With the 2695 @3.2Ghz I will get 38Ghz

I know that all applications does not scale with more cores.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Hello!

I got a Gigabyte X79-UD3 for free. So I replaced my i5-3570k system. I bought a 4930k from Ebay and is very pleased!

This is my 24/7 clock with a Kraken cooler.

Time Spy with R9 Nano

Is it any coincidence that you account is named after a Swedish actor?

On a side note... Ive been looking at putting together an NVMe drive together to put into my spare PCi-E slot. Or i could just put in an Intel network card that i have lying around.

 

[Peter Lindgren]

Is it any coincidence that you account is named after a Swedish actor?

On a side note... Ive been looking at putting together an NVMe drive together to put into my spare PCi-E slot. Or i could just put in an Intel network card that i have lying around.

Lindgren is rather common in Sweden. Are you not thinking about Astrid Lindgren? She is a writer of children books like Pippi

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Lindgren is rather common in Sweden. Are you not thinking about Astrid Lindgren? She is a writer of children books like Pippi

My bad, Peter Lindgren as an Actor. Another Peter Lindgren is also former guitarists of the band Opeth who i used to love back when they were melo-death

 

[Kanan]

What do you think about => http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-...265715?hash=item5d64fd1373:g:jVoAAOSw6btXRWI2

Will it work? I have rev1.0 of my X79-UD3

With my 4930k @4.5Ghz I get a total of 27Ghz

With the 2695 @3.2Ghz I will get 38Ghz

I know that all applications does not scale with more cores.

Go for the 1xxx line of Xeon CPUs they are overclockable, these 2xxx are not afaik. But you don't get them for 300 bucks. If you need the calculating power (not for gaming) I'd say why not.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Go for the 1xxx line of Xeon CPUs they are overclockable, these 2xxx are not afaik. But you don't get them for 300 bucks. If you need the calculating power (not for gaming) I'd say why not.

Yeah amazing how much being unlocked jacks the price up. You can get 12 cores up to 3.1 ghz or whatever boost was on that cpu for 300 bucks with a ton of cache but locked....to get an 8 core unlocked cpu with less cache is like worth over 3 times as much...go figure. People can poo poo overclocking and its' value all they want but that single example right there shows how much value it has to the consumer that it triples the price for a processor that technically is lesser performing in every way core count, cache etc or is equal but is worth 1/3 as much only due to basically being locked multiplier-wise. Both are Ivy Bridge -E xeons same platform...the one you linked to is also an ES but that only accounts for a couple hundred bucks at best. That is why Ryzen is important and needs to get out soon as possible to blow up this crazy market stagnation we are in currently.

 

[Kanan]

Yeah amazing how much being unlocked jacks the price up. You can get 12 cores up to 3.1 ghz or whatever boost was on that cpu for 300 bucks with a ton of cache but locked....to get an 8 core unlocked cpu with less cache is like worth over 3 times as much...go figure. People can poo poo overclocking and its' value all they want but that single example right there shows how much value it has to the consumer that it triples the price for a processor that technically is lesser performing in every way core count, cache etc or is equal but is worth 1/3 as much only due to basically being locked multiplier-wise. Both are Ivy Bridge -E xeons same platform...the one you linked to is also an ES but that only accounts for a couple hundred bucks at best. That is why Ryzen is important and needs to get out soon as possible to blow up this crazy market stagnation we are in currently.

True, Zen will be a game changer, and the best things is, all Ryzen CPUs are unlocked, one platform (AM4) - AMD made it really simple and straightforward again, gotta love this - Intel is the exact opposite (many platforms and chipsets for 1 generation of CPUs, many different SKUs, only a few CPUs overclockable).

 

[dalekdukesboy]

True, so focused on price/performance I didn't even get to think about the fact it isn't 1 of fifty sockets and some locked/some not etc etc all that intel bullshit. So yeah, that alone may force intel to be a little more OC friendly and user friendly with their designs which obviously would be a great thing...Like I said it's ridiculous you can get up to 3.0 ghz with 12 cores for 300 bucks...and for same processor less 4 whole cores/8 threads and 10 mb less cache or so they just unlock a multiplier and it's worth a grand...that really is criminal...especially when you're talking about 3-4 year old tech essentially in both cases. In reality the 300 bucks for 12 cores is on high side for anything that old, the grand is just fucking ridiculous and an insult. I know I just repeated my point with different wording but I think it's just so outrageous it bears repeating and just underscores the need in the field for AMD to show up again and hopefully in a big way.

 

[Kanan]

That's the problem when there's no competitor on the market. The 8 core is simply that expensive because Intel is selling their 8 cores for over a grand - so those Xeons are going for about the same. Ryzen will cut into it hopefully and end it for good.

I just read a news that Nvidia increased prices of Nvidia Titan X in germany from 1299 to 1349€ - funny, exactly the same problem there in the highend-market. Funny too, that AMD is supposed to be THE company to solve both problems. They really have a big task ahead and I hope they don't fail. I'm sure Ryzen will be good, we have enough info on that, but about Vega I'm not sure at all. It's the most important year for AMD maybe ever, they have to deliver this time.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

That's the problem when there's no competitor on the market. The 8 core is simply that expensive because Intel is selling their 8 cores for over a grand - so those Xeons are going for about the same. Ryzen will cut into it hopefully and end it for good.

I just read a news that Nvidia increased prices of Nvidia Titan X in germany from 1299 to 1349€ - funny, exactly the same problem there in the highend-market. Funny too, that AMD is supposed to be THE company to solve both problems. They really have a big task ahead and I hope they don't fail. I'm sure Ryzen will be good, we have enough info on that, but about Vega I'm not sure at all. It's the most important year for AMD maybe ever, they have to deliver this time.

Yes...this. Technically the locked xeons are relatively "cheap" but as I said still too inflated for not even current tech, the architecture isn't current, the ram for platform is ddr3 for God sakes, and I think technically they are EOL I'd have to look on Intel's website for that to confirm. I will keep what I just said for reference but as I typed this I looked it up....this makes it even more F'ing sad...for example:

Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1660 v2
(15M Cache, 3.70 GHz)

Launched Q3'13 Recommended Customer Price $1080.00 - $1083.00 6 130 W

These are NOT EOL or unsupported as many other cpu's on list I found were. So yeah going by this without probing further Intel may even still be manufacturing these or at LEAST still has not categorized them as End OF Life or unsupported etc.

SO they are considered "current" despite being on a totally dead platform far as being current and still manufactured (x79) and the 4960X equivalent which is 1660 v2 I just listed...they actually have the gall to suggest that relative piece of shit should still be sold for over a grand! That...wow. No words. Intel is a big enough company and their ARK is well known and used enough that they have no excuse they just didn't "update" it for these processors because in an hour I could bumble my way through the relatively short processor list and check/verify info and repost it.

I admit it's so ridiculous it's almost funny...I'm going to save a few of these prices/specs etc for this will be interesting to see IF Ryzen is what it seems capable of when it hits shelves in quantity these numbers may look more like the realistic amounts they should be.

Processor Number

Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1680 v2
(25M Cache, 3.00 GHz)
E5-1680V2
Status Launched
Launch Date Q3'13
Lithography 22 nm
Recommended Customer Price $1723.00

and this is even more crazy...so the processor 1680 v2 we all are eyeballing for this socket as of today on Intels site is well over 3 years old since launch, still supported, and still shows a recommended price of 1723 dollars. HAHAHA. Yeah the current 8-10 core x99's actually are going for that or LESS. Stop and think about that for a minute.

 

[Kanan]

Yes...this. Technically the locked xeons are relatively "cheap" but as I said still too inflated for not even current tech, the architecture isn't current, the ram for platform is ddr3 for God sakes, and I think technically they are EOL I'd have to look on Intel's website for that to confirm. I will keep what I just said for reference but as I typed this I looked it up....this makes it even more F'ing sad...for example:

Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1660 v2
(15M Cache, 3.70 GHz)

Launched Q3'13 Recommended Customer Price $1080.00 - $1083.00 6 130 W

These are NOT EOL or unsupported as many other cpu's on list I found were. So yeah going by this without probing further Intel may even still be manufacturing these or at LEAST still has not categorized them as End OF Life or unsupported etc.

SO they are considered "current" despite being on a totally dead platform far as being current and still manufactured (x79) and the 4960X equivalent which is 1660 v2 I just listed...they actually have the gall to suggest that relative piece of shit should still be sold for over a grand! That...wow. No words. Intel is a big enough company and their ARK is well known and used enough that they have no excuse they just didn't "update" it for these processors because in an hour I could bumble my way through the relatively short processor list and check/verify info and repost it.

I admit it's so ridiculous it's almost funny...I'm going to save a few of these prices/specs etc for this will be interesting to see IF Ryzen is what it seems capable of when it hits shelves in quantity these numbers may look more like the realistic amounts they should be.

Processor Number

Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1680 v2
(25M Cache, 3.00 GHz)
E5-1680V2
Status Launched
Launch Date Q3'13
Lithography 22 nm
Recommended Customer Price $1723.00

and this is even more crazy...so the processor 1680 v2 we all are eyeballing for this socket as of today on Intels site is well over 3 years old since launch, still supported, and still shows a recommended price of 1723 dollars. HAHAHA. Yeah the current 8-10 core x99's actually are going for that or LESS. Stop and think about that for a minute.

Yeah it's funny isn't it? Intel CPUs are suitable to bank money, because they lose not much worth even after years hahaha. A friend is selling his i5 4570K for over 150 bucks to switch to the 4790K at 270 bucks, both have barely lost any worth despite being "old" and on an outdated / discontinued platform. Xeon, the only reason I see them still produced would be for servers, but the normal X79 is EOL of course. Still, I'm glad I still have a upgrade path left, after I had bought the 3960X I thought this will be the last upgrade and there's no real upgrade left, but now? Maybe and if 8 core scaling in games is nice, I'll get that Xeon in a few years, who knows. Or Ryzen refresh (of refresh). But I I'll stick to this platform as long as possible, I had used AM2+ with Phenom II 940 for almost 6 years, so this here has to do a lot longer than that, because it's a much stronger platform and architecture. 3 years and counting.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yeah it's funny isn't it? Intel CPUs are suitable to bank money, because they lose not much worth even after years hahaha. A friend is selling his i5 4570K for over 150 bucks to switch to the 4790K at 270 bucks, both have barely lost any worth despite being "old" and on an outdated / discontinued platform. Xeon, the only reason I see them still produced would be for servers, but the normal X79 is EOL of course. Still, I'm glad I still have a upgrade path left, after I had bought the 3960X I thought this will be the last upgrade and there's no real upgrade left, but now? Maybe and if 8 core scaling in games is nice, I'll get that Xeon in a few years, who knows. Or Ryzen refresh (of refresh). But I I'll stick to this platform as long as possible, I had used AM2+ with Phenom II 940 for almost 6 years, so this here has to do a lot longer than that, because it's a much stronger platform and architecture. 3 years and counting.

Gosh yes, I'll be nice to your phenom but sadly that was in the middle/beginning of when Intel was coasting and AMD produced a cheap alternative that had no hopes of matching it in performance so price and "good enough" to do what you needed was all AMD had. Obviously the core 4-6 core and beyond architecture starting with x79 is far too strong for its' age which is whole reason we're talking about the silly prices for the CPU's for it! So yes, the positive is we have a relatively archaic platform that still is relevant and we can keep for the foreseeable future (Ryzen/Intel reaction discluded), the bad news/negative is....we have a relatively archaic platform that is still relevant and we can keep for the foreseeable future lol. The latter being bad because we have little upgrade potential and minus a few features and things we may not even care about, and a slight performance and efficiency increase...yeah almost pointless plus to upgrade our x79 rig with these other processors now is ridiculous money because they are too close to the current platform. So yeah, for the moment I guess it's a blessing and a curse for us. Also speaking of I'm going to push myself and put my system back together now that I've been on this laptop going on 2 months now kinda tired of 13 inch screen, lousy keyboard and obviously can't game for squat with intel onboard graphics...but I'm grateful I have it simply to post here/email etc so it was a lifesaver and didn't force me to rush putting the beast back together. Speaking of, I just took a few pictures of few things with it so I'll post that in a bit.

I think I went straight from a core 2 duo e8600 straight to the x79 speaking of upgrade paths lol.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Not pretty, but my way of using old 120 mm antec fans from my old case on my gtx 980ti . I had one half burnt out fan on the accelero cooler I was using and it was grinding etc and the way fans are wired into the plastic housing no easy or fun way to replace them and in my new case the cooler would fit way better (it's huge) but still preferred to stay more compact and also reuse my gtx 980's gaming cooler (which was quite good on 980) for the ti which was done by MSI so I know it was adequate...particularly when you got (2) 80 cfm fans 120 mm versus 2 thin 92 mm fans which at best put 30-40 cfm out and had way less static pressure obviously. So assuming everything fires up ok will be interesting to see what temps I get out of this invention.

Obviously few things pump/fan etc are hanging or only half in place but close look of the general layout of new case.

...and that gives you an idea of whole look of case minus graphics card and a few things needing to be hooked up properly and/or wires routed to where they belong. I will take one more pic this distance when its' done before side goes on and I cross my fingers and fire it back up again, but that's where it is at this moment.

 

[Kanan]

Gosh yes, I'll be nice to your phenom but sadly that was in the middle/beginning of when Intel was coasting and AMD produced a cheap alternative that had no hopes of matching it in performance so price and "good enough" to do what you needed was all AMD had. Obviously the core 4-6 core and beyond architecture starting with x79 is far too strong for its' age which is whole reason we're talking about the silly prices for the CPU's for it! So yes, the positive is we have a relatively archaic platform that still is relevant and we can keep for the foreseeable future (Ryzen/Intel reaction discluded), the bad news/negative is....we have a relatively archaic platform that is still relevant and we can keep for the foreseeable future lol. The latter being bad because we have little upgrade potential and minus a few features and things we may not even care about, and a slight performance and efficiency increase...yeah almost pointless plus to upgrade our x79 rig with these other processors now is ridiculous money because they are too close to the current platform. So yeah, for the moment I guess it's a blessing and a curse for us. Also speaking of I'm going to push myself and put my system back together now that I've been on this laptop going on 2 months now kinda tired of 13 inch screen, lousy keyboard and obviously can't game for squat with intel onboard graphics...but I'm grateful I have it simply to post here/email etc so it was a lifesaver and didn't force me to rush putting the beast back together. Speaking of, I just took a few pictures of few things with it so I'll post that in a bit.

I think I went straight from a core 2 duo e8600 straight to the x79 speaking of upgrade paths lol.

Actually I don't see it as archaic at all. It has PCI-E 3.0, USB 3.0, SATA 3.0 (the holy three of three), and that is all you need, you don't even need USB 3.0 and PCI-E 3.0 and even SATA 3.0 is only a tiny speed bump, so I even see that as a kind of luxus, because I don't use USB sticks that much and SSDs aren't limited by SATA 3G anyway, I used my 128GB SSD 830 a lot with Phenom II system and when I changed it to this system it wasn't any faster, and if so, because the CPU fed it better with data, thats it. So again, for me it's not archaic at all. It lacks a ton of useless new stuff and has still a lot of useless stuff around, that's the funny thing about it. Also it has a lot of performance, BF1 which I'm playing since a few days now, actually uses all 6 cores (and ignores HTT) up to a 100%, so it's better utilized than I thought, seems my investment pays off at the end, I thought at first it's just a fun buy, but no, its needed in BF1.

I'd say as long as the CPU holds its ground, meaning no bottleneck, this platform isn't outdated at all. Same with Phenom II, the whole "holy three of three" and even more than that isn't needed, that's why I was able to use AM2+ for so long, it had "holy two of twos + DDR2" and I think DDR2 in the end was main reason for me to switch, it wasn't able to feed enough data with DDR2 800 and CL4 timings - being the only game that forced me to switch. I think that will take a long time with this system, quad channel and 1866 Ram (and I could overclock it). I rather think it will be outdated IPC wise in a few years, tops, maybe even 4 or more years. I simply hope to use it longer than AM2+, which would be more than 5 years. 3 years are already over, so... I think it's doable. The remarkable thing about that is, I bought a used platform and CPU from 2012/2013 and I'll be able to use it for more than 5 years probably, meaning it's good for 8+ years in general! That's just awesome. Enthusiast platform power.

btw. nice new case and all you got, keep working on that, it'll be nice.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Actually I don't see it as archaic at all. It has PCI-E 3.0, USB 3.0, SATA 3.0 (the holy three of three), and that is all you need, you don't even need USB 3.0 and PCI-E 3.0 and even SATA 3.0 is only a tiny speed bump, so I even see that as a kind of luxus, because I don't use USB sticks that much and SSDs aren't limited by SATA 3G anyway, I used my 128GB SSD 830 a lot with Phenom II system and when I changed it to this system it wasn't any faster, and if so, because the CPU fed it better with data, thats it. So again, for me it's not archaic at all. It lacks a ton of useless new stuff and has still a lot of useless stuff around, that's the funny thing about it. Also it has a lot of performance, BF1 which I'm playing since a few days now, actually uses all 6 cores (and ignores HTT) up to a 100%, so it's better utilized than I thought, seems my investment pays off at the end, I thought at first it's just a fun buy, but no, its needed in BF1.

I'd say as long as the CPU holds its ground, meaning no bottleneck, this platform isn't outdated at all. Same with Phenom II, the whole "holy three of three" and even more than that isn't needed, that's why I was able to use AM2+ for so long, it had "holy two of twos + DDR2" and I think DDR2 in the end was main reason for me to switch, it wasn't able to feed enough data with DDR2 800 and CL4 timings - being the only game that forced me to switch. I think that will take a long time with this system, quad channel and 1866 Ram (and I could overclock it). I rather think it will be outdated IPC wise in a few years, tops, maybe even 4 or more years. I simply hope to use it longer than AM2+, which would be more than 5 years. 3 years are already over, so... I think it's doable. The remarkable thing about that is, I bought a used platform and CPU from 2012/2013 and I'll be able to use it for more than 5 years probably, meaning it's good for 8+ years in general! That's just awesome. Enthusiast platform power.

btw. nice new case and all you got, keep working on that, it'll be nice.

Thanks, it's massive case but will have ton of fans and the Antec with big card/board etc was very cramped to work in despite being a large case. When I said archaic I was more talking about the chipset and mere age of the platform more than the actual ability of it, as I have said it holds far too much value DUE to the fact that it is far too potent for its' age in relation to x99 shiny new stuff etc. So yeah, I agree it's more than enough for all I do and minus however far AMD pushes the market with ZEN etc it may well be this platform is fine for 4-5 years! Anyway just be nice to get the thing back together and hopefully it all works ok.

 

[Kanan]

Thanks, it's massive case but will have ton of fans and the Antec with big card/board etc was very cramped to work in despite being a large case. When I said archaic I was more talking about the chipset and mere age of the platform more than the actual ability of it, as I have said it holds far too much value DUE to the fact that it is far too potent for its' age in relation to x99 shiny new stuff etc. So yeah, I agree it's more than enough for all I do and minus however far AMD pushes the market with ZEN etc it may well be this platform is fine for 4-5 years! Anyway just be nice to get the thing back together and hopefully it all works ok.

Yeah the old tower simply had a outdated design, those are big but not really practical or good to work in, my old tower had the same problem, it didn't even had real cable management, there were cables everywhere, a mess, but it didn't had a window anyway so yeah I didn't care. My new case is super shiny and super clean compared to that haha. I also enjoy having filters now and a case that only gets dirty on the outside, though I noticed some micro dust on my Noctua. Seems the filter is not perfect after all, but who can expect that.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yeah the old tower simply had a outdated design, those are big but not really practical or good to work in, my old tower had the same problem, it didn't even had real cable management, there were cables everywhere, a mess, but it didn't had a window anyway so yeah I didn't care. My new case is super shiny and super clean compared to that haha. I also enjoy having filters now and a case that only gets dirty on the outside, though I noticed some micro dust on my Noctua. Seems the filter is not perfect after all, but who can expect that.

Yes that is all true, this case was relatively inexpensive but was a beauty by coolermaster I believe and I think it was about the biggest case Newegg had when I got it a month or so ago lol. However best bit is I am unlike that last message earlier today now typing to you on my new old system which is all together and fired up first try and just had to reset bios from last time I fired it up and it was shorting on and off with start switch so it goofed that up but everything on and sound works, etc...pleasantly surprised usually when I even do half as much moving around as this with a case and components something stops working or isn't plugged in right etc when you first hit the on button. Only thing not working are several fans which I think are all plugged into same spot so just have to get in case and figure that out but that will be simple and then I can play...I'd not even bother but the 2 fans on my graphics card aren't running so yeah, can't really fire up a game that way the cooler is good but not good enough to work passively lol. Anyway will update with a few pics I took before I slapped it all together etc too.

 

[Kanan]

Yes that is all true, this case was relatively inexpensive but was a beauty by coolermaster I believe and I think it was about the biggest case Newegg had when I got it a month or so ago lol. However best bit is I am unlike that last message earlier today now typing to you on my new old system which is all together and fired up first try and just had to reset bios from last time I fired it up and it was shorting on and off with start switch so it goofed that up but everything on and sound works, etc...pleasantly surprised usually when I even do half as much moving around as this with a case and components something stops working or isn't plugged in right etc when you first hit the on button. Only thing not working are several fans which I think are all plugged into same spot so just have to get in case and figure that out but that will be simple and then I can play...I'd not even bother but the 2 fans on my graphics card aren't running so yeah, can't really fire up a game that way the cooler is good but not good enough to work passively lol. Anyway will update with a few pics I took before I slapped it all together etc too.

Sounds great bud, Im curious to see the finished build.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Thanks, Was even simpler than I thought, are a few plugs in back of case that I plugged fans into....yeah well they kinda need power the plugs are for the power supply plug and then you can piggy back off of it with fans into that connection or 3/4 pin fan connectors which are also on the header, there is one at top of case one at bottom. Anyhow now I have all the red fans in case glowing along with a couple of blue lit antec fans on the graphics card....and with those fans I just quickly used furmark since I have it installed and has temps etc so ran a minute or two with OC I had on the ti and it hit 60 degrees C and as I let it run it even dropped to 59 lol that's ice cold for a Gtx 980ti with OC with max settings on furmark which is kinda what I'd expect with the already good cooler with two full case fans blaring through it. I will get some pictures up soon I still have to do a couple things and I'm going to try it out now with a game etc see how it does. Will update tomorrow with more and see what I can add to thread.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Also correction it's a blackhawk case which is by Rosewill...excellent case tons of room very well laid out, everything works and not bad looking....https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0724J90356 it's still on sale but when I got it was even 5 bucks or so less than now lol huge reason I got it was it was literally biggest and cheapest case with tons of fans and everything I've ever seen by Rosewill to me just seems decent and solid.

Also even though it came with like 6 + fans a couple being 200 mm ones the side panel you can put up to (9) 120 mm fans so you can make it a tornado if you so choose or just add a couple fans in right spot etc so that's nice feature...has 2 fans in front and behind the HDD cages so nice push/pull etc. Very much a simple, big, rectangular workhorse that is not all decked out with weird angles and plastic trim pieces etc like a high end sports car admittedly but just the fact that it has a lot of connectivity options with fans far and usb etc it's very functional. Best yet as I said everything worked minus fans I just didn't plug in with juice and that took two seconds to realize and fix. Anyway gonna game a bit, will be back on tomorrow with more pictures.

 

[Kanan]

Nice temps, and yeah the case is more than solid, I don't like fancy cases anyway, I'm pretty much in the minimalism style since many many years, never had a fancy case.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

 

[FreedomEclipse]

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