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System Name | midnight toker |
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Processor | i7 Skylake QHQF (6700K ES) @ 4.2GHz |
Motherboard | ASRock Z170 Pro4S |
Cooling | Corsair H100i |
Memory | 16GB (2x8GB) Samsung DDR4 @ 3200MHz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte Geforce Gtx 1080 Ti Gaming OC @ 2080MHz |
Storage | 128GB SSD, 75GB & 2TB HDDs |
Display(s) | Acer Predator XB1 XB271HU 27" 1440p 144Hz G-SYNC Monitor |
Case | Cooler Master MB511 |
Audio Device(s) | Philips SHP2000 headphones |
Power Supply | EVGA SuperNOVA 1300W G2 |
Mouse | Microsoft Wireless Desktop 3050 |
Keyboard | same |
Software | Arch Linux, Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit |
Well, I know something on the state of the art. Although I haven't touched 2.x, I've been running Linux since kernel 3.5. Ubuntu was my first distribution (surprise).Laptop-mode-tools was among things that got me over 3h of battery life. Without them it drained twice as fast.
I don't know the current situation, but late kernel 2.6 (so in this decade!!!) didn't even have CPU frequency scaling tuned on by default.
You had to teach the PC, that its CPU can run something below max. Happily, that was simple: just open the terminal...
CPU frequency auto-scaling was already present.
Cpufrequtils, a very straightforward command line tool, was also there for those who wanted to clock their laptop CPU themselves. Don't be terrified just yet, there were GUI's too.
Oh, Ubuntu already drained power slower than Windows on my PC at the time, regardless of laptop-mode-tools:
All I did was load proprietary video drivers with the additional drivers GUI. *buntus and several other distributions offer such option by default, you don't even have to download anything from the manufacturer website or use the command line. MS took ages to start detecting and delivering drivers this way, yet it's really messy.
Do you use generic video drivers on Windows? Probably not.
As a side note, generic Linux drivers are unquestionably better than generic MS trash (developed by MS itself, not the rebranded ones sourced from manufacturers).
Info you don't manage to absorb/retain properly doesn't turn into knowledge (to yourself).I remember setting up Arch Linux on my laptop for the first time. It took me a whole weekend (around 20h) to reach a state at which taking the laptop out seemed reasonable.
Sure, there are more user-friendly distros - I was prepared for the extra work, but I wasn't prepared for the amount of it. I mean: just how basic a "basic Linux" can be and how unwilling it would be to cooperate with my PC.
It was meant to be an adventure that would teach me a lot about Linux. And it was, but together with the OS-knowledge came a very strong impression that I don't want to do that again. Ever.
[I had prepared a "wrong hole" analogy here, but as some people could be underage, I decided to present it only to my girlfriend. You'll find out yourself one day.]
Well, the learning curve isn't always steep. It took me about 3 hours to set up Arch at first as I was already familiar with the basics. Now I can happily perform a vanilla Arch install within an hour or so. Half an hour when I'm inspired.
Anyway, just go for Antergos when you're not in the mood to install Arch properly. It's just a graphical installer for Arch, so you get the real thing (Arch purists would kill me now hah). Manjaro is even more simplified, although it's more of a derivative. You can get user-friendly distros installed at least 4x faster than W10.
I rather assume you didn't read my posts thoroughly as you should understand at least part of what you're trying to imply.Honestly, should a feature not be included in the "basic Linux" just because it's not essential (as in: only 99% of people use it), when making it work takes these 99% of people around an hour (if they're pretty tech-savvy and lucky)?
You do realize most amateur users stick with Ubuntu and its derivatives (Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Mint etc), right?
As mentioned:
You don't likely run a standalone kernel [that "basic linux" of yours] or an OS built from scratch for that matter, you most probably run a heavily maintained OS [like Arch, Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu. Most of those distributions will probably add support for Ryzen to their custom kernels if Kernel.org weirdly decides not to backport it widely. Arch and other rolling distros get regular upgrades close to the latest kernel, so they're fine].
You don't seem to be so familiar with how popular distros updates work in detail, there's nothing wrong to it as long as you don't spread misinformation or FUD. This thread is based on rumors. Facts weren't properly checked, sources are unclear, alleged decisions can change etc.
We're dealing with guesswork right now.
Don't quit Ubuntu when you're a Linux dummy. Zorin smiles at you. Keep your wifi happy effortlessly.And it's all great with doing researches: checking manuals and asking on forums.... if you have access to Internet. But if you don't? At that point I only had 1 PC at home (and didn't have a smartphone). I remember going to my neighbours and printing some pages with instructions how to setup WiFi. And then I used a text-web-browser, to setup X...
Seriously, connecting to a WiFi network is not rocket science and not something that only 1 in 1000 Linux users need. It should be among priorities, but even on very popular distros (like Debian) it's not as polished and stable as on Windows. Why?!
Worry not. Debian is not nearly as popular as its bastard child, Ubuntu, at least when it comes to home users. I bet more than 1 in 1000 Linux users have great wifi...
Elaborating on the topic, some wifi manufacturers (namely Broadcom) don't want to cooperate with the Linux project. Vanilla Debian only features FOSS drivers due to its philosophy. It's easy to get wifi working anyway, lspci and aptitude are your friends.
Hey... Wireless more polished on Windows? Seriously? How many windows PCs with wireless issues have you serviced? K then.
It's been long, very long since I've last had wireless issues on Linux. Can't say the same about Windows (try enabling and establishing 1000+ connections on a torrent client).
Next you say Windows is also known for its serious scalability & stability in networking, parallel computing and raw processing power hah...
No, it won't. You clearly haven't checked this. Windows turns out to be better in general: partly because it is designed with laptops in mind (so this is prioritized from the start) and partly because the drivers are possibly much better. I think we all agree: hardware manufacturers actually care about Windows/OSX users, while it's a mixed bag with Linux.
It seems that the availability and quality of Linux drivers is often a result of having a Linux geek among employees who, at some point, we'll say that "hey, we don't support Linux!" and the management (after saying "so what?") will let him write a driver after hours.
Again, as I said:
My wife runs Manjaro on her old core 2 duo laptop with a nearly dead battery, yet it surprisingly works for more than half an hour unplugged, whereas Windows dies almost immediately upon a cold boot.
Oh, I forgot to mention: she's using free drivers.
I run newer hardware and the results aren't so different. W10 will last at least half an hour less on battery power. All I need is proprietary video drivers.
W10 doesn't compare to lightweight Linux distributions power-wise, champ.
Updated power efficiency challenge for MS lovers: let youtube play HD videos on Windows until your laptop runs out of juice. Then do it on Lubuntu or Manjaro, same videos, proprietary GPU drivers loaded if available, just like you did on Windows. Let us know the results.