AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[xorbe]

Hard to take OP seriously when quoting cpu is 95w idle.

 

[Kanan]

What if the next gen Navi card and or Volta is so fast that at 1440p or even 4k the CPU becomes relevant? If the CPU holds back gaming at 1080p compared to the competition in certain games, it is relevant.
I'm swinging like a pendulum over 7700k or 1800X so it's relevant to me. I'll keep this CPU for years do if it does have an issue for a design reason, it's really important to see what that is.
Let's not all be AMD protectionists here, let's use a little sense. Yes, it's great at multitasking, why not so much at gaming (when cinebench single thread score is good)?

And I'll put my money where my mouth is here, even though I don't need the 1800X, I will but it if I go Ryzen to support AMD. It also helps that I think from reviews, the chips have been binned for their price.

Do the leap of faith and trust that a 8 core! CPU will be (easily) faster over time compared to an 4 core. I don't care about brands right now writing this, it's just plain and fucking simple logic, for me it's insanity going with the 7700k just to have a few fps more in some games, and then be angry because the 1800X and even the lower ones WILL BE faster over time I'm 99% sure on this and I'm not talking many years either. But it's your decision and I won't talk you in. For those who have no faith and are overly suspicious and critical simply go with Intel - my time is too precious to change minds of those people anyway.

 

[Aenra]

I don't see a reason to turn of SMT. Have HT capable CPU for the cca 8 years and I couldn't ever see a reason to turn HT off. Because of 5fps difference in games, but getting 30-40% less performance in data crunching? WHY!?

They e-mailed Tom's Hardware, telling them that until proper Win10 drivers are written it is "best" (performance-wise) to disable SMT. Whether it is because of floating/integer issues as i mentioned in a different thread, the L3 issue or both, i know not.
Have since then found it mentioned here again, but obviously no one considers this a 'solution', hence my asking what he meant when he said that he tried all the proposed solutions.

 

[springs113]

Do the leap of faith and trust that a 8 core! CPU will be (easily) faster over time compared to an 4 core. I don't care about brands right now writing this, it's just plain and fucking simple logic, for me it's insanity going with the 7700k just to have a few fps more in some games, and then be angry because the 1800X and even the lower ones WILL BE faster over time I'm 99% sure on this and I'm not talking many years either. But it's your decision and I won't talk you in. For those who have no faith and are overly suspicious and critical simply go with Intel - my time is too precious to change minds of those people anyway.

Right about that one on all fronts. I for one will go with the 1700 unless the binning process changes, because it maxes out around the same speeds. That $170 i can put toward my gpu/mobo/ram. I'm quite surprised at what AMD did there but thinking about it, they've given us tremendous value before(my 720be, saphire x850gto) others with the 6850/6950 if i recall correctly.

 

[v12dock]

Why is this threat still open...?

 

[basco]

people go the easy way and that is in gaming amd has to go against fastest intel 4 core and in multicore against 10 core intel.
so benchmarks are still showing intel in front and unfortunately this is all that matters.

thx for the video this guy is looking in detail what happens in 3 to 5 years and not on 1 single benchmark.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I 99% agree with this, what do you guys think?

You actually understood anything of what he said?

 

[alucasa]

I am more surprised that people actually watched the video.

 

[EarthDog]

I am more surprised that people actually watched the video.

Any cliff's on this 20 min vid... jebus...

 

[revin]

So with a faster GPU it reviles that AMD is still increasing performance at low rez.
Then the 16 core is just loafing along about 2/3 used.

 

[r9]

I 99% agree with this, what do you guys think?
Once again he did a great work on analysing informations over a long period of time to come to conclusions that make a lot of fucking sense.

Interesting how fx pull ahead of 2500k. I believe that Ryzen its easier to optimise for compared to FX. What are we seeing now its how it runs unoptimised software. Plus glitchy motherboard bioses and first batch of silicone. Not to mention Amd motherboards are cheaper. I was just looking at microcenter you can get B chipset asus or msi for $69 mobo. 1700x is $349 now plus $69 motherboard. Nice combo for just over $400.

 

[Kanan]

You actually understood anything of what he said?

Did you?

Some people are only here to troll, thanks to all the others that are still open minded & positive thinking.

 

[EarthDog]

Im open minded... just don't have 20 mins to listen and asked for Cliff's notes.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Did you?

Some people are only here to troll, thanks to all the others that are still open minded & positive thinking.

That thick Scottish accent got really hard to listen to after about 3-4 minutes in, so I gave up.

 

[kruk]

I agree with AdoredTV too. You can buy a 7700K instead of Ryzen 7 and have that 10 or 20% higher FPS, but there are games out there which already max out (or almost max out) all of the i7 cores/threads. Example is BF1 (images taken from Jokers 1700 v 7700K review):

As you can see the 7700K CPU it's almost at the limit, but 1700 has a lot of steam left. And this is a clean, freshly installed system! Imagine now a antivirus, chat, browser, etc. running. You will have FPS dips all the time on the 7700K!

 

[alucasa]

There are already enough reviews out there to make a fair decision. It says to disable SMT to boost frame rates. And it takes just few minutes of reading to get that.

I don't need some random dude to tell me what to do and buy. At least, this guy isn't talking about mortgage where one's life could actually be depeneded upon.

 

[Tatty_Two]

The title is:
Ryzen already falling?

and your argument is linking one buyer on amazon.com or equivalent, and you think that that somehow equates that title?
You are hinting at something much larger that is just not taking place, or it might be but your are not providing the proof.

Do I have to dig up 1 person not happy with their Nvidia card and make a new threat with the header "Consumers lash back and poor performance from Nvidia" ?
Do I have to dig up 1 person not happy with their Tesla car because the autopilot did not prevent a fenderbender and add the header "Tesla Autopilot claims another consumer, will tesla survive?" ?

If you cannot see how this title with the provided content is blowing something way out of proportions and if you cannot see that's problematic at best, then idk what to say, its pretty much clear as day.

To be fair, his title has a question mark and therefore he is not making any statements or arguments, he is asking a question, well that's what a question mark meant when I was at school, to be fair that was many many years ago I may be behind the times. All that is left from that is his purpose, is it to create drama or to gain feedback and further information.

 

[PerfectWave]

the problem of ryzen is motherboard. poor motherboard. even asus decide not to produce a real high end mobo but only the crosshair hero.

 

[Papahyooie]

I agree with AdoredTV too. You can buy a 7700K instead of Ryzen 7 and have that 10 or 20% higher FPS, but there are games out there which already max out (or almost max out) all of the i7 cores/threads. Example is BF1 (images taken from Jokers 1700 v 7700K review):

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As you can see the 7700K CPU it's almost at the limit, but 1700 has a lot of steam left. And this is a clean, freshly installed system! Imagine now a antivirus, chat, browser, etc. running. You will have FPS dips all the time on the 7700K!

What is with that guy's pronunciation? RIzen? BIAws? Ayeoras? lol.

 

[RejZoR]

For a long time I thought AdoredTV guy was Indian or something due to his really strong accent lol.

 

[PerfectWave]

ryzen is a good cpu and the price of 1700x and 1800x are high and i think ppl with those cpu will play at 1080p. would be really a waste of money. and at 1440 has nothing to complain to intel cpu

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Do the leap of faith and trust that a 8 core! CPU will be (easily) faster over time compared to an 4 core. I don't care about brands right now writing this, it's just plain and fucking simple logic, for me it's insanity going with the 7700k just to have a few fps more in some games, and then be angry because the 1800X and even the lower ones WILL BE faster over time I'm 99% sure on this and I'm not talking many years either. But it's your decision and I won't talk you in. For those who have no faith and are overly suspicious and critical simply go with Intel - my time is too precious to change minds of those people anyway.

No trust needed it's already faster in most things bar a few fps in gaming when you're hitting 100+fps anyway.

 

[EarthDog]

When I see many games using MORE THAN 8t... I'm on that bandwagon...

 

[Kanan]

Im open minded... just don't have 20 mins to listen and asked for Cliff's notes.

Well it's too much data, but I'll try: FX 8350 was 10-20% slower than i5 2500K and is now ~10% faster. Ryzen will be about the same compared to the 7700K, but it's already in a very much stronger position than the FX 8350 was before, so it'll be faster over time compared to the 7700K and generally. Yeah pretty much it.

That thick Scottish accent got really hard to listen to after about 3-4 minutes in, so I gave up.

I know what you mean, I'm used to it now, I've grown to like it I guess.

There are already enough reviews out there to make a fair decision. It says to disable SMT to boost frame rates. And it takes just few minutes of reading to get that.

I don't need some random dude to tell me what to do and buy. At least, this guy isn't talking about mortgage where one's life could actually be depeneded upon.

You don't have to read/react to everything written in these forums. Seems your mindset is kinda "completionist" but I can tell you, you don't have to digest any information that is out there. Your life will go on easily without it.

For a long time I thought AdoredTV guy was Indian or something due to his really strong accent lol.

My first thoughts were:"is he a scott? Noo can't be, its way too extreme." He admitted that himself later, I think he even said it's acted for youtube and that his usual talking isn't that extreme.

 

[ZoneDymo]

To be fair, his title has a question mark and therefore he is not making any statements or arguments, he is asking a question, well that's what a question mark meant when I was at school, to be fair that was many many years ago I may be behind the times. All that is left from that is his purpose, is it to create drama or to gain feedback and further information.

Hence I used the word "hinting".
Its honestly a pretty basic technique to plant an idea, but in the end and with the "proof" provided its deliberately (or not) misleading.
Not much different from the much used Fox News technique of saying "some people say" instead of "I think" because when you say "some people say" it suddenly seems like a common consensus and so it seems true/have backing when its just all a load of nothing.

Obama wiretapped Trump?
Nvidia spying on AMD again?
Ford killing millions?
America responsible for terrible suffering in China?
Is TPU being paid by AMD for favored reviews?

"what? Im just asking questions, its perfectly innocent"

Hell this can often also lead to carreers ending, the mere idea/hint that someone might be for example a child molester, even though they are cleared well and truly can and has completely ended people.

But hey, if TPU is fine with this, so be it, if the forums will devolve into more of this nonsense because of this pass given, so be it.


lastly, with you end sentence you are basically agreeing its just clickbait, making the story seem far more interesting then it is purely to get reactions that the story by all accounts does not deserve.
Thats exactly what clickbait is (for).