Should i make the jump?

[Agility]

Post #1

Hello fellow TPUs,

I'm currently looking forward to getting a 1080Ti GPU as my R290 is getting outdated (Even having problems running at medium settings in latest games). It may also be due to the fact that i'm running on a 1440P monitor , which requires much more processing power.

Will my system be bottlenecking the 1080Ti? Cheers.

Post #2 (Update 15/04/2017)
Hello Guys,

As mentioned, my ram came in today. However i'm having issues with it running at its rated speed.

My new rams is https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-2133c9d-16gxh

V1
1. After plugging in my new rams, the ram settings went back to defaults, which is at 1333Mhz. I went into bios and tried XMP profile 1 but it failed to boot up (XMP Profile 1 went to 1866Mhz)
2. Using my previous overclocked settings on my CPU, it ran just fine with my rams on default settings. But the speed was at 1333Mhz (auto)
3. Running at 1600Mhz with the following settings below still lets me boot and run MemTest with no issues. However, whenever i set the System Memory Multiplier to 18.66 or above, it just fails to boot.

I changed these settings as

Advanced CPU Settings
CPU Clock Multiplier settings: 3.4Ghz (100X34) -> 4.5Ghz (100X45)

Advanced Memory Settings
System Memory Multiplier (SPD): Auto (1333mhz) -> 16.00 (1600Mhz works) but 18.66 (1866Mhz) or above it fails to boot
Performance Enhance: Turbo -> Standard
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD): Auto -> Quick

Channel A Timing settings: Auto -> CL9-11-11-31
Channel B Timing settings: Auto -> CL9-11-11-31

Advanced Voltage Settings
Category CPU
Multi-Steps Load-Line: Disabled -> Level 10
CPU Vcore: Auto -> 1.350V
QPI/VTT Voltage: Auto -> 1.180V
System Agent Voltage: Auto -> 1.005V

Category MCH/ICH
PCH Core: Auto -> Auto
CPU PLL: Auto -> 1.840V

Category DRAM
DRAM Voltage: Auto -> 1.660V
DRAM Vref: Auto
DRAM Termination: Auto
CH-A/B Data VRef: Auto
CH-A/B Addrses VRef: Auto

Need some TPU love to assist me

EDIT: Added in CPU Overclocked settings

Update #3
Post 66 on my latest issue

 

[alucasa]

Go for it.

 

[flmatter]

My suggestion is update the rest of system with either the new ryzen cpu or stay with intel and get either kaby or skylake cpu and pair it with a 1070

 

[Kursah]

What kind of games you playing where you're suffering in performance?

2600K is still plenty capable for gaming, might not have the same IPC level as Ryzen, but also keep in mind his CPU is at 4.5GHz which should provide pretty damn solid performance in any modern game. Honestly I'd suggest he upgrade his RAM to 16GB first...depending on the games and multitasking this could be causing some performance drops. If things aren't running in RAM and are being cached to disk, even with an SSD (if the OP has one), would slow WAAAAY down.

I see too many folks running Chrome with 20+ tabs, other programs (for monitoring, streaming, VoIP, etc.), and games going beyond 8GB RAM usage. Keeping in mind the OS uses 1-2GB on average, hardware uses some too, I think that might be a good place to start. More RAM is better than faster RAM, so if it comes down to 8GB of 2400, and 16GB 1600, I'd go 1600 all day long and try to OC it to 1866 or 2133.

You'll notice more performance going to a faster GPU than you would upgrading your platform IMHO. That's still a competent platform, but new AMD or Intel platforms would be a pleasant upgrade too. I'd probably go with more RAM then a 1080 first, realizing that you current platform is dated and the risk of failure increases with age. Though for the budget of a 1080Ti I can see where some folks would look at the platform as the choice upgrade...for actual gaming performance that CPU is solid still...and a 1080Ti will play very nice with it.

 

[alucasa]

I see too many folks running Chrome with 20+ tabs, other programs (for monitoring, streaming, VoIP, etc.), and games going beyond 8GB RAM usage. Keeping in mind the OS uses 1-2GB on average, hardware uses some too, I think that might be a good place to start. More RAM is better than faster RAM, so if it comes down to 8GB of 2400, and 16GB 1600, I'd go 1600 all day long and try to OC it to 1866 or 2133.

I know some who refuse to close the 10s of tabs.

 

[Bill_Bright]

The Ryzen has pretty much been a disappointment - at least after all the hype and anticipation. And I see no reason to go through the expense of a whole new platform when you already have a decent Intel platform.

I'm with Kursah on this one. Bump up your RAM first. Then if still not happy, look at a new graphics card.

 

[Agility]

What kind of games you playing where you're suffering in performance?

2600K is still plenty capable for gaming, might not have the same IPC level as Ryzen, but also keep in mind his CPU is at 4.5GHz which should provide pretty damn solid performance in any modern game. Honestly I'd suggest he upgrade his RAM to 16GB first...depending on the games and multitasking this could be causing some performance drops. If things aren't running in RAM and are being cached to disk, even with an SSD (if the OP has one), would slow WAAAAY down.

I see too many folks running Chrome with 20+ tabs, other programs (for monitoring, streaming, VoIP, etc.), and games going beyond 8GB RAM usage. Keeping in mind the OS uses 1-2GB on average, hardware uses some too, I think that might be a good place to start. More RAM is better than faster RAM, so if it comes down to 8GB of 2400, and 16GB 1600, I'd go 1600 all day long and try to OC it to 1866 or 2133.

You'll notice more performance going to a faster GPU than you would upgrading your platform IMHO. That's still a competent platform, but new AMD or Intel platforms would be a pleasant upgrade too. I'd probably go with more RAM then a 1080 first, realizing that you current platform is dated and the risk of failure increases with age. Though for the budget of a 1080Ti I can see where some folks would look at the platform as the choice upgrade...for actual gaming performance that CPU is solid still...and a 1080Ti will play very nice with it.

Games like ME: Andromeda, Witcher 3 (With HD mods), DA:I, Deus Ex Mankind.

I tend to max settings with games (except for some AA etc) but am just not satisfied that my current GPU is only able to run them at medium/partial high settings. I'm an eye-candy freak.

The Ryzen has pretty much been a disappointment - at least after all the hype and anticipation. And I see no reason to go through the expense of a whole new platform when you already have a decent Intel platform.

I'm with Kursah on this one. Bump up your RAM first. Then if still not happy, look at a new graphics card.

Yeah i was contemplating on getting a pair of 8GB sticks but deemmm DDR3 is rare in my country. And with the recent hooha of ram chips prices going up due to huge demand but no stocks, they costs alot. Know of a good place that gives a lifetime warranty DDR3? Maybe you can recommend me some =)

EDIT: In response to Kurash post too, i tend to shut down chromes and game. The only things that are on at my notification area are

1. AMD Radeon Settings
2. Steam
3. Origin
4. CCleaner Monitoring status
5. Discord
6. Samsung Magician
7. DropBox
8. OneDrive
9. Windows Defender
10. SoundBlaster Recon3D control panel

 

[JATownes]

CPU should be fine for another generation I think. My 290x Crossfire is also getting long in the tooth and will be replaced with Vega when it is available. The 4Gb cards just can't keep up in 1440p with high settings. I agree with @Kursah that RAM would benefit you quite a bit, but in my humble opinion a new GPU will give you the most noticeable difference for the money, and the 2600K at 4.5Ghz should not create a noticeable bottleneck.

JAT

 

[FreedomEclipse]

 

[qubit]

Get the card. I've got a 2700K which is pretty similar to yours and still runs all the latest AAA games very well. Just don't get an FE. So many better options out there.

 

[Agility]

Get the card. I've got a 2700K which is pretty similar to yours and still runs all the latest AAA games very well. Just don't get an FE. So many better options out there.

Palit 1080 Gamerock Edition (Costs $1188) seems to be the best 1080 among the rest, yet costs the cheapest compared to MSI Gaming X (Which costs $1238) and Asus ROG STRIX (Costs $1188).

Will wait for palit to come out their 1080Ti version and wait for reviews. But i will be definitely getting the 1080Ti. Thanks TPU!!!!

 

[Kursah]

I'd say buy some used DDR3, you might have better luck. DDR4 is mainstream, so DDR3 is going to increase like DDR2 did years ago when 3 went mainstream. But I've seen plenty of fair prices on used sticks, from here [H], fleabay, etc.

 

[Bill_Bright]

And with the recent hooha of ram chips prices going up due to huge demand but no stocks

It is not so much that there is a "huge" demand. The problem is DDR4 is here with DDR5 on the horizon. So as Kursah notes, the prices for DDR3 are not going to get better. But more RAM still generally provides the most bang for your money.

 

[Agility]

Will take a look around.

Kingston 8GB ram
http://www.lazada.sg/kingston-value...c-135v-and-15vdesktop-memory-666173.html?ff=1 <-- SGD$86 per piece. Worth it? Or any recommendations.

 

[flmatter]

if it matters I am sitting on some 1866 ram, 16gb 8x2, and I have some 1600 ram 8gb 4x2 and I could probably be talked off either plus cost of shipping if you wanted to go the ram route.

PM me if interested.

 

[Agility]

Just updated my system spec of the exact model of my ram. I'm currently running these

https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-12800cl7q-8gbxm

However a point to note, my ram is running at 1600Mhz each as default settings without Intel XMP (With intel XMP it gives me 2133Mhz but at times can BSOD on me, albeit rarely.)

Any recommended upgrades? I've lost touch with rams with their timings and latency so i doubt i will be overclocking them (And if i do, i guess i can try)

if it matters I am sitting on some 1866 ram, 16gb 8x2, and I have some 1600 ram 8gb 4x2 and I could probably be talked off either plus cost of shipping if you wanted to go the ram route.

PM me if interested.

Hey will take a look around and get back to you. Shipping is costly from the states to my area due to distance. Food for thought, what model are are your 8GBX2?

 

[Caring1]

Upgrade the CPU, Motherboard and GPU, IMO the 2600K is too old now for modern GPU's and games.

 

[Kanan]

Do it, and if the CPU etc. is not fast enough to feed the 1080 Ti + some heavy games, upgrade it afterwards (but you will get a lot higher FPS with the 1080 Ti anyway, even with a mild CPU bottleneck). i7 2600K @ 4.5 GHz is still nice I'd say.

 

[flmatter]

GSkill ripjaws 8gb. 1600mhz
Pny anarchy 16gb. 1866mhz

 

[Agility]

Hello TPU,

I just went ahead to purchase this Ram from Ebay brand new.

https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-2133c9d-16gxh

What are your opinions? (The card is still on hold) Costs USD117.50 inclusive of shipping

 

[MERCURY]

Buy the 1080 Ti, then upgrade the rest if you're not satisfied.
My 2600K is running at 4.8Ghz and has no problem pushing a 1080 Ti.
Here is the video proof of my 1080 Ti pushed to 99% usage by my 2600K, while on Ultra settings @ 6080x1080 rez.
My system scored 5th place so far on this forums Heaven part 2 board.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/unigine-heaven-4-0-benchmark-scores-part-2.222125/
Fact is that Sandy Bridge is still more competitive than people would like to say.

Battlefield 4

Unigine Heaven

 

[mcraygsx]

Hello fellow TPUs,

I'm currently looking forward to getting a 1080Ti GPU as my R290 is getting outdated (Even having problems running at medium settings in latest games). It may also be due to the fact that i'm running on a 1440P monitor , which requires much more processing power.

Will my system be bottlenecking the 1080Ti? Cheers.

I wouldn't suggest on Z270/X99 platform yet since there is no future upgrade path. But for gaming 7700K is unbeatable for now.

 

[hat]

Looks like you chose the right path. 8GB is just not enough in gaming today, and you're right, the 290 is getting old. Sure you can upgrade the CPU, but remember, you're looking at small generational improvements across 4 generations. With a 5GHz 7700k (no guarantee you'll even reach that speed anyway), you're honestly looking at a 30% all-around faster chip than what you're running now, and the performance of high speed DDR4 plays a bigger role in that than you might think. Nothing wrong with 2133MHz DDR3 at all, and 16GB of it will serve you well. Now, if you upgrade the graphics card, you'll have a very capable system even with the most demanding games of today.

Another thing to consider when upgrading to the latest processor is the stagnation. Intel's been dragging their feet for years now, and AMD has caught up. They currently trade blows even in gaming benchmarks... but AMD offers 6 and 8 core chips. So does Intel, but they're much more expensive. With AMD catching up, something is bound to happen soon. Either Intel has to come up with something to shove AMD back into the dirt, or AMD is going to further improve and offer something even better, or (hopefully) both come up with something better than what we have currently and then there will be a very real reason to upgrade from Sandy Bridge, even for gaming.

 

[Agility]

I wouldn't suggest on Z270/X99 platform yet since there is no future upgrade path. But for gaming 7700K is unbeatable for now.

Yup i understand that 7700K is the best in the market right now. Have checked through and seen a few reviews comparing directly from 2600K to 7700k.

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/13/kaby_lake_7700k_vs_sandy_bridge_2600k_ipc_review

Sad to say, intel is not even trying to beat its top notch processor.

Looks like you chose the right path. 8GB is just not enough in gaming today, and you're right, the 290 is getting old. Sure you can upgrade the CPU, but remember, you're looking at small generational improvements across 4 generations. With a 5GHz 7700k (no guarantee you'll even reach that speed anyway), you're honestly looking at a 30% all-around faster chip than what you're running now, and the performance of high speed DDR4 plays a bigger role in that than you might think. Nothing wrong with 2133MHz DDR3 at all, and 16GB of it will serve you well. Now, if you upgrade the graphics card, you'll have a very capable system even with the most demanding games of today.

Another thing to consider when upgrading to the latest processor is the stagnation. Intel's been dragging their feet for years now, and AMD has caught up. They currently trade blows even in gaming benchmarks... but AMD offers 6 and 8 core chips. So does Intel, but they're much more expensive. With AMD catching up, something is bound to happen soon. Either Intel has to come up with something to shove AMD back into the dirt, or AMD is going to further improve and offer something even better, or (hopefully) both come up with something better than what we have currently and then there will be a very real reason to upgrade from Sandy Bridge, even for gaming.

Yes mate. I just bought the f3-2133c9d-16gxh online at SGD$186 bucks! Can't wait for it to arrive. Will drop a few pictures of my new ram when its done. Its so true that Intel has stopped stepping up in their research on improving themselves. That's why i've totally lost touch with Intel as they have hardly release any "wow" factor processor since the 4th Gen era.

AMD however has been coming out with lackluster processors like bulldozer but with ryzen, it seems they are back on the game! Makes me interested in upgrading to a future AMD CPU. But for their GPU, its consistently lacking behind Nvidia in terms of raw processing power

 

[hat]

4th generation? By my standards they started pulling punches after Sandy Bridge, the second generation. And even Sandy Bridge fundamentally sucks, simply because of the way they axed overclocking support, unless you bought the top tier K processor. Other than that it was their last generation with any significant improvement in my eyes.