NVIDIA Beats AMD to Market On HBM2 - Announces Tesla P100

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Never have I claimed AMD doing anything ouy of the kindness of their hearts. I've stated the opposite in this very thread. What they do is calculated. My point is that you can be calculated, you can do what's best for your company, and you don't have to sink to the depths of as low as you can go. You saying their behavior wouldn't be any different than nVidia and Intel is simply justification for them doing what they've done. You have no evidence to make this claim. Just your belief that it's the way anyone would act in a similar situation. And for the record I don't think Intel and nVidia are the least bit comparable.

Actually, neither of us has any evidence supporting our claims, because AMD (or ATI) never had a lead in the market like Nvidia or Intel have now. So we're only stating our (educated?) guesses here.

This is repeating "all companies are the same".
No they aren't.
Intel isn't like nvidia either, and that despite having oh so much more dominant position.

And even back, with market being rather close to 50/50 between team red/green, green was going full throttle shit (effectively killing OpenGL), while red didn't.

There may be differences between companies, but all public companies share a common goal: make as much money as possible. Otherwise they'd be charities or NGOs.

What you say is certainly true in markets with more competitors. But when only a handful are involved, they tend to act alike.

 

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Well, ATI/AMD haven't been top dogs ever since. When they'll be, their behaviour won't be any different than Nvidia's or intel's is now.

As long as they keep pushing OpenSource they will be infinitely better than what nVidia is now ...

 

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As long as they keep pushing OpenSource they will be infinitely better than what nVidia is now ...

Nvidia has given us VDPAU, has open source support for Tegra. I'm not sure I see a difference here.

 

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Nvidia has given us VDPAU, has open source support for Tegra. I'm not sure I see a difference here.

The first one was released like 10+ years ago and Tegra is not really relevant for the majority of PC users. The current state of nVidia was nicely summed up by Linus Torvalds at his Aalto talk a few years ago:

48:15 onwards, but you probably have seen it already.

I don't know why noveau developers even bother. The time they waste with reverse engineering could be spent better in other areas.

 

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The first one was released like 10+ years ago and Tegra is not really relevant for the majority of PC users. The current state of nVidia was nicely summed up by Linus Torvalds at his Aalto talk a few years ago:

48:15 onwards, but you probably have seen it already.

I don't know why noveau developers even bother. The time they waste with reverse engineering could be spent better in other areas.

So, basically, throw everything out the window and only talk about desktop (Linux desktop!), because otherwise you don't have an argument? Ok.

 

[kruk]

So, basically, throw everything out the window and only talk about desktop (Linux desktop!), because otherwise you don't have an argument? Ok.

Why not? You talked about Linux one page ago and now you suddenly want to ignore it ... Also, if Tegra would be destroying the competition, they would never provide open source support. Support them all you want, but I will stay away from them until they stop with this vendor lock-in crap.