AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[Frag_Maniac]

^I'd forgotten I watched that vid weeks ago. It makes a good argument for getting higher than 3200 RAM even without the new dividers, but with them I would think it would be an obvious choice. I just hope AMD can work wonders with getting the higher RAM working consistently. Maybe even 4000.

 

[GoldenX]

4700 MHz on a phenom? Really? I have hard times believing that. Also calling a 920 and 7700k "heaters" is just ridiculous coming from a Phenom II. Don't get me wrong I had a Phenom II 940 for almost 5 years but I don't concur with your "selective memories". Intel was way more efficient back then and the 7700k is very efficient as well. I concur on the price being too high, whole reason which prevented me to get the 920 in the first place instead got the Phenom II with way cheaper board and ddr2 ram.

The stable 24/7 OC was 4200, 4700 was for benching in winter (it's cold here). Intel processors were more efficient back there, but they were also house heaters, the 920 needed one expensive heatsink or liquid cooling to go anywhere.

As for the 7700k, it is having sudden spikes of temperature to 90 degrees, even Intel is saying to not overclock it until they fix it.

 

[trparky]

OK so is DDR4-3600 really necessary or can I get away with 3200?

Edit: God damn, finding decent RAM at Microcenter is a pain in the ass. That's where I'm going to be going to get the parts to build my system in a few weeks. I want most if not all of the pieces and parts that I need already picked out before I walk into the store. I want to be able to just walk up to the sales agent and say "I want this, that, and that other thing". Of course none of the stuff is labeled if it's using Samsung chips or if it's B-die.

If anyone can help in this regard it would be much appreciated. Multiple options would be nice since who knows if they will have a particular memory module in stock in the store the day I walk in. I sort of want to walk in, buy it, walk out, put it together that day, and have it working that same day; no waiting for other parts to come in.

 

[Kanan]

The stable 24/7 OC was 4200, 4700 was for benching in winter (it's cold here). Intel processors were more efficient back there, but they were also house heaters, the 920 needed one expensive heatsink or liquid cooling to go anywhere.

As for the 7700k, it is having sudden spikes of temperature to 90 degrees, even Intel is saying to not overclock it until they fix it.

4 Cores and Hyper Threading at far higher IPC than Phenom II was worth that cost and extra heat. Every bit. My own Phenom II only did 3.7 GHz without going too high on Vcore.

 

[trparky]

If we could get a Wiki put together regarding this topic it would probably be a hell of a lot better.

Yeah well, I'm coffee deprived. I need more coffee.

 

[Kanan]

f we could get a Wiki put together regarding this topic it would probably be a hell of a lot better.

I edited my other post, if you didn't see it.

 

[trparky]

Yeah but unless I go into my local Microcenter, pull every DDR4-3200 RAM module they have on the shelf, tear the package open, and tear the heatsink off how am I going to know if the chips they use are Samsung chips and if they are B-die modules? By the way if I do that I'd probably be arrested and spend a night in the pokey until I put up bail.

 

[Kanan]

Yeah but unless I go into my local Microcenter, pull every DDR4-3200 RAM module they have on the shelf, tear the package open, and tear the heatsink off how am I going to know if the chips they use are Samsung chips and if they are B-die modules? By the way if I do that I'd probably be arrested and spend a night in the pokey until I put up bail.

Simply by not doing that, and searching proper memory on this website instead: http://rymem.vraith.com/ (it's a website for Ryzen memory info)

 

[Juvir]

Easiest way is to check their website, check local stock. Then check the model # against the manufacturer's site to check the chips.

 

[trparky]

Simply by not doing that, and searching proper memory on this website instead: http://rymem.vraith.com/ (it's a website for Ryzen memory info)

Well that's an interesting site, I'll have to bookmark it.

Edit: Finally found some compatible RAM. Corsair 16GB 2 x 8GB DDR4-3200 PC4-25600 Desktop Memory Kit Should work just fine with the motherboard that I picked out, the Asrock X370 Taichi. Hopefully that stuff is in stock the day I go to Microcenter or I'm going to be a very unhappy camper.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Still not luck at all with my Crucial Ballsitix Tactical RAM
If I change any memory related setting, the board won't boot. Doesn't matter if it's latency or speed related. The weird thing is that other people can run the same RAM at 2,400MHz, I can only run it at 2,133MHz using the auto setting. Even setting it manually to 2,133MHz causes the board fall over and not boot.

Looks like I'm going to have to get some different memory.

That said, got my 1700 stable at 3.9GHz https://valid.x86.fr/4m8l0f
It does get quite hot though at those speeds and peaks at over 1.5V, so I think I'm going to have to step back to 3.8GHz which used less power and didn't run nearly as hot.

 

[Juvir]

Still not luck at all with my Crucial Ballsitix Tactical RAM
If I change any memory related setting, the board won't boot. Doesn't matter if it's latency or speed related. The weird thing is that other people can run the same RAM at 2,400MHz, I can only run it at 2,133MHz using the auto setting. Even setting it manually to 2,133MHz causes the board fall over and not boot.

Looks like I'm going to have to get some different memory.

That said, got my 1700 stable at 3.9GHz https://valid.x86.fr/4m8l0f
It does get quite hot though at those speeds.

Manually change your CPU voltage, boards generally auto them WAY over when you start to overclock. Set your CPU volts to 1.350 or 1.375

Manually change your CPU voltage, boards generally auto them WAY over when you start to overclock. Set your CPU volts to 1.350 or 1.375

Yeah you're running WAY over on your volts there, at 1.5 volts. You'll burn up your processor!

 

[trparky]

Now if only that Ryzen RAM compatibility web site gave you working Amazon and Microcenter links for those of us in the United States. Yes, I want my cake and eat it too.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I couldn't get it stable past 3.85GHz unless I cranked it up.

Went back down to 3.8GHz and 1.4V that I think I can still tweak downwards a bit. Not a huge difference in performance https://valid.x86.fr/wec3xf

 

[Juvir]

I couldn't get it stable past 3.85GHz unless I cranked it up.

Went back down to 3.8GHz and 1.4V that I think I can still tweak downwards a bit. Not a huge difference in performance https://valid.x86.fr/wec3xf

AMD does not recommend going past 4.5v iirc for even extreme overclocking, it will cause long term damage to your CPU. Might have been 4.75, you would have to check their PDFs on overclocking the Ryzen. 5 is simply too high, you'll end up bricking your new processor.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Honestly, I would not source RAM for Ryzen until after AMD releases the new dividers. Only then will you have a full idea of what's compatible, what performs best, how much benefit there is from frequencies over 3200, and how high a speed RAM it will support. Due to the need for game updates, MB and RAM updates, and driver updates, this could go on until the end of the year. Such a bone headed mistake by AMD to not iron all this out with manufacturers well before launch.

I would say better late than never, but they always pull this kind of idiotic crap.

As for the 7700k, it is having sudden spikes of temperature to 90 degrees, even Intel is saying to not overclock it until they fix it.

I've seen someone say his going into the MB BIOS and taking the IGP voltage down to zero fixed his 7700k temps.

 

[Caring1]

AMD does not recommend going past 4.5v iirc for even extreme overclocking, it will cause long term damage to your CPU. Might have been 4.75, you would have to check their PDFs on overclocking the Ryzen. 5 is simply too high, you'll end up bricking your new processor.

Tell us something we don't know
Pretty sure you meant 1.5V.

 

[phanbuey]

Do you guys know what the best way to test Ryzen stability is? Ive kind of settled for an hour of DOOM and 20 runs of cinebench...

Prime and linpack don't seem to work as well as they did on my intel system.

 

[tacosRcool]

A honest review after the day it released? I don't think so. You can't honestly write a decent review when you haven't spent the time with the product.

 

[Kanan]

Do you guys know what the best way to test Ryzen stability is? Ive kind of settled for an hour of DOOM and 20 runs of cinebench...

Prime and linpack don't seem to work as well as they did on my intel system.

Prime95, Battlefield 1 as it has very high cpu util, yeah. Doom is a bad idea because it's not exactly hard on the cpu.

A honest review after the day it released? I don't think so. You can't honestly write a decent review when you haven't spent the time with the product.

Don't care about the op post basically everyone interested in Ryzen knows it's a pile of junk.

 

[the54thvoid]

Prime95, Battlefield 1 as it has very high cpu util, yeah. Doom is a bad idea because it's not exactly hard on the cpu.


Don't care about the op post basically everyone interested in Ryzen knows it's a pile of junk.

I absolutely also recommend BF1. It fully loads cores on loading screens. I was having system crashes at what I thought was a stable clock. Increased volts to fix. 1.45v here.

 

[Kanan]

I absolutely also recommend BF1. It fully loads cores on loading screens. I was having system crashes at what I thought was a stable clock. Increased volts to fix. 1.45v here.

Same here although for 3960X. The game had some very high util in debris heavy maps with a lot of buildings, using all 12 threads at 90-100%. That's why I can only recommend Bf1 as a CPU test.

 

[droopyRO]

Did anybody upgrade from a 3770k to a Ryzen 1600/1700 for gaming ? http://gameranx.com/features/id/102034/article/upgrading-to-ryzen-the-r7-1700-reviewed/ this is the only benchmark i could find and the results are dissapointing. I`m not going to do work at home so my PC is used for video/audio/browsing and gaming(mostly singleplayer AAA titiles). The few times i do audio or video encoding are not time sensitive so i can do the dishes while it encodes an .mp3

 

[purecain]

Did anybody upgrade from a 3770k to a Ryzen 1600/1700 for gaming ? http://gameranx.com/features/id/102034/article/upgrading-to-ryzen-the-r7-1700-reviewed/ this is the only benchmark i could find and the results are dissapointing. I`m not going to do work at home so my PC is used for video/audio/browsing and gaming(mostly singleplayer AAA titiles). The few times i do audio or video encoding are not time sensitive so i can do the dishes while it encodes an .mp3

in that link he says benchmarks were completed at default values. no overclock. just after he says what he reached overclocking. I think that is very misleading. of course the ryzen chip did badly. remember we found that by using faster memory and increased the infinity fabric speed and gaming performance beat all of intels chips in 80percent of games...i'll come back and post a link when I come across the source again. I remember the intel chips also benefitting up to 3200mhz and then it levelled out. the amd system carried on increasing in performance. I'm not bothered if my maximum frames are lowered. as long as the minimum frames are high I'm fine with it. although I am using a titan.
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The new power plan gives almost identical performance to the High Performance plan, but when the machine is idle, it offers some, if not all, of the power saving that the Balanced setting provides.

AMD should also be addressing some problems on its side. Ryzen shows a significant dependence on the speed of its memory. Faster memory obviously means that there is more bandwidth, but there's a less obvious advantage on Zen chips: internally, the chip is organised as two blocks of four cores, and the communication between these blocks of four cores runs at the memory clock speed. Make the memory clock faster by going from, say, 2400MHz RAM (on a 1200MHz clock) to 3200MHz RAM (on a 1600MHz clock) and not only does the memory bandwidth go up by fifty percent, but so too does the bandwidth between the two blocks of cores.

 

[GoldenX]

I don't understand why they simply couldn't use a separate multiplier for the Infinity Fabric.

 

[HTC]

Dunno which particular board this is but it seems proper BIOSes are coming: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...-of-the-Jedi&p=5258673&viewfull=1#post5258673