The TPU UK Clubhouse

[Caring1]

Jews never get offended.

They're too busy reminding everyone of "their" suffering, maybe if they stopped wailing, they would have time.

 

[the54thvoid]

They're too busy reminding everyone of "their" suffering, maybe if they stopped wailing, they would have time.

If you take the current Israeli PM out of the equation (he's an ass) then the Jewish people have a lot to 'wail' about. Persecuted by almost everyone, attempted genocide by Nazis and ongoing hatred in the middle East.
Yes, Israel has some arrogant policies but when all your neighbours hate you (and technically your people were there first, millennia ago) it's easy to see why they're a bit prickly.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Awesome post. Very informative. Question, can your government draft? I ask because it sounds like you have cut back so much for social spending you can no longer defend yourself properly. I say this from an ignorant point of view of UK politics. Am I somewhat correct in my assumption?

Under existing legislation we cannot "Draft" if that means pulling people off the street, putting them in a uniform, training them then keeping them for a couple of years, over here we call it conscription. As far as defending ourselves is concerned, the thinking is that is only required if there is a perceived conventional threat ...... there is not, not my thinking, just the way it is.

 

[RCoon]

go in there and eradicate the problem

I would wholeheartedly agree with this course of action.The issue is this: I hear a lot of people say "why don't we just carpet bomb ISIS", and then I ask them "Where would you bomb then?"
There isn't just a big group of religious extremists hanging around in a neat little building off the dirt track in Syria. They're everywhere, living in caves, living just down the street from you. They're less of a beehive, more of a rainforest fungus colony.

Got in a bit of a heated debate with my girl friend last night, she was complaining about why the government wasn't doing more to stop terrorism. The following analogy seemed the easiest fit:

if 100,000 people die a year in the UK, about 40 of those are from terrorist attacks. The other 90-odd percent are from things like stabbings, cancer, heart disease, and other illnesses. I'd rather the government spent the money ensuring the health of the masses than spending millions on preventing deaths through terrorism. You're about ten times more likely to die falling out of bed than you are of a terrorist attack, but you don't see MI6 putting IKEA bunk beds on a watch list and having spyplanes following the delivery trucks.

 

[Tatty_Two]

But that's the point, had we have eradicated the problem in the early days they would not have that global spread, there would have been a couple of thousand of them in Northern Iraq, it's our and others inaction that has got us to this point. I am not talking about invading countries and failing to support their infrastructure afterwards, take a look at the Pakistani issues regarding Al Qaeda, successive US governments were paying them Billions annually to stem the tide, tighten up their security and eradicate the training bases whilst all the time they just continued as normal, inactivity never lessens the threat, it just serves as a tool of escalation.

I totally get the lack of appetite after lengthy campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq and acknowledge that had we have done better there we possibly could have avoided the current situation but until we accept and understand that fundamentalism will always exist and that we can never run from it we can never truly protect our people.

 

[the54thvoid]

Fundamentalism is a misnomer. It's more like extremism. A fundamentalist should follow the basics of an ideology. Extremism is taking an interpretation to its limits and beyond.

Jewish extremism drives animosity in the middle East (settlements etc). Wahabism drives the Islamic extremism which despises a moderate, tolerant state. And unfortunately, a right wing Christian extremism sees Islam as unworthy of respect and makes it easy to villify as an entire faith.

Military intervention does nothing. You can't destroy faith unless you eliminate all the followers. Unfortunately, we as a 'democratic' liberal country think democracy is the only way forward.
It's absolutely not. Some states require a more controlling oversight.

And let's not forget, state sponsored terrorism has been with us for decades. Accidental downings of Iranian passenger jet, Lockerbie, blah, blah, blah....

Not going to stop.

 

[TheMailMan78]

But that's the point, had we have eradicated the problem in the early days they would not have that global spread, there would have been a couple of thousand of them in Northern Iraq, it's our and others inaction that has got us to this point. I am not talking about invading countries and failing to support their infrastructure afterwards, take a look at the Pakistani issues regarding Al Qaeda, successive US governments were paying them Billions annually to stem the tide, tighten up their security and eradicate the training bases whilst all the time they just continued as normal, inactivity never lessens the threat, it just serves as a tool of escalation.

I totally get the lack of appetite after lengthy campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq and acknowledge that had we have done better there we possibly could have avoided the current situation but until we accept and understand that fundamentalism will always exist and that we can never run from it we can never truly protect our people.

As an American I thought going full throttle in Afghanistan was a mistake. My uncle was their in the 1980's advising the Mujahideen against the Russians. He said the best way to do that war in his opinion was with small groups of SF operators. Afghans don't like big foreign footprints from you know.......past experience with the UK and Russia. What did we do? BALL DEEP invasion. 10+ years we are still there for pretty much no reason at this point. Iraq I was VERY against even though Saddam had broke just about every UN resolution there was. Did he deserve to be invaded? Yup, according to UN rules he did. Instead of getting the world to act we had daddy Bush talking about WMD's. Yeah he had em. Everyone does. Who cares. We should have NEVER went in. With that being said we did, and once we did we should have FINISHED. Obama keeping naïve promises made us pull out. HUGE mistake. Everyone with half a brain knew that was a bad idea. All that treasure and blood lost to create a damn power vacuum. Guys like @brandonwh64 spent their young adult life there for no reason at this point all for Obama to say he did something. IMO he did nothing but, create ISIS.

Sadly you wanna blame inaction on yourselves.....you would be right. BUT, you guys aint the only ones that dropped the ball. I think its time we go in balls deep and basically lock up the north boarder with Russia closing in on the top. Kick out ALL the refugees of your nations and setup safe zones in some Arab countries for a change.

Also if you think I should feel guilty for saying such things, I don't. I'm done with being PC. The world needs to go old school or lose its native culture. There is no other choice at this point. Them ISIS boys are playing for keeps. Its time to put the PC aside and show them what Europeans and Americans (European in decent) do when we get pushed to far.

 

[the54thvoid]

Also if you think I should feel guilty for saying such things, I don't. I'm done with being PC. The world needs to go old school or lose its native culture. There is no other choice at this point. Them ISIS boys are playing for keeps. Its time to put the PC aside and show them what Europeans and Americans (European in decent) do when we get pushed to far.

Nothing you say is wrong so it would be foolish for someone to think you should feel guilty. Believe it or not I would classify myself as a liberal - I'm all for equality and acceptance. I'm also an atheist but my United Kingdom is one that is born on the back of religious enlightenment and tolerance. The UK is a secular country in political terms but it's culture is definitively christian, even if we do not practice we are still part of that culture. I firmly beleive if you have an issue with the UK's culture - you should fuck off elsewhere. Look at our history and our current systems. If you want to integrate (i.e. our UK Sikh communties are very open and firmly embedded in our culture) then you are welcome. If you want to change us - you've got it all wrong.

I would never dream of going to Saudi and demand womans rights and what not. I know how they are so I have no interest in being part of that shitty culture of misogynistic dominance.

Its not, 'not PC' to say - integrate or get out, it's natural. I wouldnt go in to a vegan restaurant and ask for beef. I'll get me a steakhouse for that.

We've had our disagreements but we're probably closer than you think on the core values.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Two posts that I firmly agree with, hell I had an facebook argument with a long term friend earlier cause I said I don't like a certain religion after they posted some crap about it not being all of them.... my point was I don't agree with certain aspects, not the people, the religion... and of course someone of said religion jumped in with the race card which they're all so quick to do, who's racist in that case, I'm sick of the apologist crap being posted after these atrocities for these people, instead of doing that get off your asses and weed these people out of your communities and you will see what it's like to integrate and be a part of a great culture and country, instead they're too busy saying it's not all of it's whilst calling the rest of us racist...

 

[dorsetknob]

Thread is going to close to the Race /religion thingie for the comfort of the mod team ( i suspect ) .
we need a new subject to discuss

 

[brandonwh64]

Thread is going to close to the Race /religion thingie for the comfort of the mod team ( i suspect ) .
we need a new subject to discuss

Not really, This thread falls under The Lounge section which only has these rules

Threads that should/will be closed

• Threads that request forums to participate in something illegal. For example, we will not tolerate threads requesting how to pirate Windows, where to buy marijuana, how to compromise a PC, etc.
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• Threads with sexual content or of a sexual nature
• Threads focused on violence, hate or that are homophobic
• Spammed advertisements

Political posts in threads are not in that list but over aggressive posts will be frowned. Yea sucks what happened in Manchester.

 

[dorsetknob]

Not really, This thread falls under The Lounge section which only has these rules

sorry but its a Clubhouse thread not a lounge thread

 

[brandonwh64]

Could have sworn the clubs got moved into the lounge

 

[NdMk2o1o]

sorry but its a Clubhouse thread not a lounge thread

Pertaining to uk events, news and anything related but yes I agree, apart from my previous post there are other places for such talk, and the uk clubhouse has been here for years with a very large following and activity so I think the decision to move it a couple of years ago was withdrawn

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

So feckin hot here im actually considering a downclock but due to the crunching and folding challenge i cant , ill Have to go pub and watch the match ,i cant sit in here.
Shits rolling on in Manchester , just like it should.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Stunning weather here and my daughter is off to the Brecon Beacons camping, wish i was going....its where i grew up.

 

[sneekypeet]

For those wondering, some posts have been removed, and a cleanup has occurred after. Please move on to a different topic.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Next hgh tide is 06.44 in the morning, the sunrise over the water will look amazing.

Just now

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Next hgh tide is 06.44 in the morning, the sunrise over the water will look amazing.

Just now
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What a lovely view!!

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

What a lovely view!!

Yes, its gorgeous here and very quiet.

 

[dorsetknob]

Been a lovely hot sunny day here wish i had some cold tinnies to enjoy tonight

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Well all of my Ryzen build parts should be here by Friday, I have had motherboard, PSU and HDD sitting in a box for 3 weeks whilst I got the money together for the rest, I was going to buy an RX 580 but grabbed an awesome bargain of an Asus DCii RX 290x on ebay for £110 shipped yesterday and couldnt really pass it up at that price. Pulled the trigger on the Ryzen 1600 tonight for £205 delivered by Scan, case and RAM also enroute, hopefully I'll have all of it by Friday and a working, "budget" orientated Ryzen build operational by Friday evening

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Asus DCii RX 290x on ebay for £110 shipped

way to bag a bargain....nice one

 

[NdMk2o1o]

way to bag a bargain....nice one

I know, the guy had literally just listed it and I was sniping for a newly listed bargain, didnt realise he said collection only in the description as at £105 I just looked at the condition of the card, his feedback and hit buy now, luckily for me when I explained he agreed to ship it for an extra £5, the next cheapest one was about £150

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Scorchio