AMD Announces AGESA Update 1.0.0.6 - Supports up to 4000 MHz Memory Clocks

[TheGuruStud]

Bet it still only works with the dozen single sided Samsung -B kits.

If you want tighter timings, yes. But you can take a good 2400 stick and run it at 34-3600 with loose timings. Sure, bandwidth won't increase, but you get the fabric pumped up. That's what I was getting at.

For false advertisement of RAM speeds? Even I am waiting for that lawsuit. Advertising XMP speeds and selling slow RAM should be banned for good. Only G-Skill and Corsair seem to be specify both JEDEC and XMP speeds.

You have a point, but I was referring to collusion in reduced production aka price fixing.

 

[cdawall]

If you want tighter timings, yes. But you can take a good 2400 stick and run it at 34-3600 with loose timings. Sure, bandwidth won't increase, but you get the fabric pumped up. That's what I was getting at.

No that isn't how any of this AMD stuff has worked. Pushing higher clockspeeds on the ram requires specific kits right now. You cannot adjust tertiary timings and those are running too tight to be stable at high speed with anything, but -b kits, at least when you are talking in the 3600+ range.

You have a point, but I was referring to collusion in reduced production aka price fixing.

XMP is an intel thing. They advertise them for Z170/Z270 and sometimes X99. Good luck getting a Judge to award anything to someone using an overclocking profile on the wrong platform.

No I am on 9945 bios on my CH6 and running F4-3200C14D-32GTZ at 3333mhz now. It's a duel rank and I am getting 3399 with BcLk 101.7..

It is however a Samsung -b kit.

But it is higher than what every claimed you should be able to get with double-side RAM.

There are already people pushing 3600 on XS with dual rank dimms.

 

[GoldenX]

That's my pickup win there though if im honest im not sure how i would use it or what for but i like the sound of it.
And will definitely try it at some point

You don't need to reboot to play a game with almost native performance (~90-95%), and it's a lot easier to block all the Windows 10 telemetry with the Linux firewall.

Tested it on the cheapest PC possible, an A4-4000. Works as intended without problems, but you need at the very least 4 threads or else the overhead kills your performance, that won't be a problem with a Ryzen APU.

 

[Chaitanya]

If you want tighter timings, yes. But you can take a good 2400 stick and run it at 34-3600 with loose timings. Sure, bandwidth won't increase, but you get the fabric pumped up. That's what I was getting at.



You have a point, but I was referring to collusion in reduced production aka price fixing.

I am pretty sure Ram makers will get away with that lawsuit unless they are caught red handed of collusion(similar to one of the ODD based lawsuit). One of the claims would be they are supporting mobile market(Cellphones and tablets) hence the reason for increased prices from increased demand.

 

[Solidstate89]

Biggest thing I've been waiting for regarding whether I'd purchase a Ryzen platform or not.

 

[AndreiD]

Biggest thing I've been waiting for regarding whether I'd purchase a Ryzen platform or not.

If you're thinking Ryzen will be an upgrade from your 4770K, especially in gaming, you are dearly mistaken. Most games ran better on my old OCed 2600K (4.5Ghz) than they do on my new R7 1700 at 3.6Ghz.
You should only upgrade if you have highly threaded workloads that can actually use Ryzen's many threads, otherwise it's going to be a downgrade.

 

[Solidstate89]

If you're thinking Ryzen will be an upgrade from your 4770K, especially in gaming, you are dearly mistaken. Most games ran better on my old OCed 2600K (4.5Ghz) than they do on my new R7 1700 at 3.6Ghz.
You should only upgrade if you have highly threaded workloads that can actually use Ryzen's many threads, otherwise it's going to be a downgrade.

I do renderings, encodings and VMs besides just gaming. The extra threads would help a lot.

 

[biffzinker]

I wonder how much improvement we will see in Games with Infinite Fabric @4ghz.

Wouldn't that be half the RAM speed so 2000 MHz for the Infinite Fabric? 2000x256/8=64 GB/s

 

[AndreiD]

I do renderings, encodings and VMs besides just gaming. The extra threads would help a lot.

In that case, go for it, the R7s excel in anything that can put their threads to use, but you can also wait a bit more and see if Threadripper might be worth it.

 

[dorsetknob]

With ACS support, it is possible to split a 2-GPU system such that a host Linux OS and a Windows VM both have a dedicated graphics cards. The virtual machine can access all the capabilities of the dedicated GPU, and run games inside the virtual machine at near-native performance.

Extremely usefull function if it works as speculated

 

[R-T-B]

Extremely usefull function if it works as speculated

Moderately useful, honestly. I mean you need one GPU for each OS.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

In that case, go for it, the R7s excel in anything that can put their threads to use, but you can also wait a bit more and see if Threadripper might be worth it.

i think someone posted some speculation of Threadripper prices with 16/32 over $1k.

 

[GoldenX]

Moderately useful, honestly. I mean you need one GPU for each OS.

IGP or cheap G210/HD5450 for Linux, dedicated for vidya.

 

[Joss]

You don't need to reboot to play a game with almost native performance (~90-95%), and it's a lot easier to block all the Windows 10 telemetry with the Linux firewall.

Extremely usefull function if it works as speculated

I find this extremely exciting, hope it works as advertised.

 

[tacosRcool]

Because one person proves the rule, right? The problem was MOST people couldn't make it work, not that there wasn't a single person out there that couldn't.

I'm running at 2933 mhz as well. And this is before this new update.

 

[aGeoM]

yep and with intel you can throw any old 2133/2400mhz kit in and it won't care

 

[evernessince]

you take a performance hit is what I am getting at

Techspot already did an article on this and they found that RAM speed in games scales about the same on Ryzen as it does on Intel systems. Both benefit from higher clocked RAM, it just that Ryzen benefits in other applications more.

 

[NGreediaOrAMSlow]

by the time you pay for 4Ghz ram and wait for boards and bios's to catch up
you could have just bought a intel setup for less >_>

Less pain and headache, but definitely not money. Motherboards are around the same price, so is the RAM. And AMD cpus depending on the model are around 25-50% cheaper.

And they have proven already, even at release that were faster than Intel in all escenarios except for gaming, where core and memory speed are king. If AMD fix that, then is game over.

And if there is still some doubt, Threadripper is gonna place the final blow.

 

[Tomorrow]

If you're thinking Ryzen will be an upgrade from your 4770K, especially in gaming, you are dearly mistaken. Most games ran better on my old OCed 2600K (4.5Ghz) than they do on my new R7 1700 at 3.6Ghz.
You should only upgrade if you have highly threaded workloads that can actually use Ryzen's many threads, otherwise it's going to be a downgrade.

Is this based on your experience or are you repeating benchmarks that are run on 1080p with low settings and Titan Xp?

For me on 1440p things would be GPU limited. Tho Ryzen does help on 0.1% and 1% low scores.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Is this based on your experience or are you repeating benchmarks that are run on 1080p with low settings and Titan Xp?

For me on 1440p things would be GPU limited. Tho Ryzen does help on 0.1% and 1% low scores.

this update should make even better in those scores and with games. no sense arguing about it now, wait for the update.

 

[purecain]

why do people of which whom obviously have no first hand knowledge start professing to know all to tpu members. I hear some funny ideas....

anyway, I ugraded from intel 4770k to 1800x. my cpu single core was weaker than one single core from ryzen. not by too much but an improvement on the amd side oc vs oc.
my ram runs @ 3466 divider @1.35v and in games I not only reach the fps I did on the 4770k, I also get far smoother frame times making gaming on the amd system far more enjoyable. this is only my first hand experience....so imo.

anyone who owns an intel 4c 8t cpu should upgrade asap to the amd architecture. getting the frame times right trumps anything else. and btw since the new amd micro code released my fps compete with the jerky 7700k. so to clarify, the 7700k shows higher frames, but has uneven frame times making games feel less smooth. in comparison the amd frame times are completely smooth.

my user experience matches that of the 6850k easily.... I'm very happy using my quicker AMD system... the architecture is something else.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

anyway, I ugraded from intel 4770k to 1800x.

I like the way this sounds.

 

[AndreiD]

Is this based on your experience or are you repeating benchmarks that are run on 1080p with low settings and Titan Xp?

For me on 1440p things would be GPU limited. Tho Ryzen does help on 0.1% and 1% low scores.

It's based on experience, but there are plenty of reviews out there which show it not being the best for gaming.
The only game so far in which I've seen a boost compared to the old overclocked 2600K has been Civ 6. I can't think of any other game in which I noticed better performance with Ryzen, I didn't measure minimums, but I didn't get much suttering with the old Sandy either (had decently fast DDR3). In some cases I even noticed lower FPS, like Squad, but I'd chalk that down to it being an Early Access game.

If you want a gaming CPU, personally I'd wait for the new Skylake-X line, the 6C/12T probably won't be that much more expensive than the R7 parts and higher IPC coupled with Skylake-X probably being able to reach higher than 4Ghz clocks will make it a much better CPU for gaming.

 

[Tomorrow]

Well that depends. While i agree that Skylake-X will likely be faster and higher clocked than Ryzen 7 the platform costs will be higher. Im waiting to see if intel offers proper soldered IHS this time. I have no desire to delid SKL-X no matter how fast it is compared to R7.
Tho when we're talking about 6c/12 it should be compared to R5 instead wich is even cheaper.

Personally i think HEDT platforms be they upcoming X299 SKL-X or Threadripper are always a bad value-performance proposition when it comes to gaming. Mainstream R5 and i7 are always better in this regard.