AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[blacktruckryder]

I had an Asus z270g motherboard and an i5 7600k @ 5Ghz. Changed only the motherboard and CPU for an Msi x370 pro carbon and Ryzen 1600 @ 3.9, the rest of the system was unchanged ( see system specs). I have seen no noticeable difference in gaming whatsoever.

 

[Vya Domus]

I had an Asus z270g motherboard and an i5 7600k @ 5Ghz. Changed only the motherboard and CPU for an Msi x370 pro carbon and Ryzen 1600 @ 3.9, the rest of the system was unchanged ( see system specs). I have seen no noticeable difference in gaming whatsoever.

No way.

 

[trparky]

I was personally thinking about going with this combination of hardware.

• ASUS GeForce GTX 1070 Overclocked Dual-Fan 8GB GDDR5 Video Card
• Corsair 16GB 2 x 8GB DDR4-3200 PC4-25600 Desktop Memory Kit
• AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6 Core AM4 Boxed Processor with Wraith Spire Cooler
• ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard
• Crucial MX300 525GB SATA III M.2 2280SS Internal SSD
• Corsair Vengeance Series C70 ATX Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case - Black
• Corsair CX Series CX750M 750 Watt 80 Plus Bronze ATX Modular Power Supply

Grand total should be around $1220, $1317.60 after taxes. Any opinions?

 

[R0H1T]

Not bad, I'd go with a lesser (600w?) PSU that's more efficient, gold rated if it's not overly expensive wrt CX750m.

 

[trparky]

I just need to make sure that the RAM is compatible. The memory compatibility is still a complete pain in the ass.

Anyone know if I'm going to run into issues with RAM compatibility with that hardware combination?

 

[purecain]

all I would recommend for anyone upgrading is they go and use a ryzen system at stock in pcworld or a friends pc. stop listening to youtube reviews by sell outs who are all sponsored by the same companies. go to the ryzen owners thread on any forum and see what anyone thinks first hand. they are both good options at the end of the day. ryzen takes more work and knowledge to get working right.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

I updated my bios before installing Windows or doing anything using the lan update feature so maybe that's why I've not had any issues with ram or overclocking, in fact everything has been very easy to setup and stable as long as I'm not pushing too high or lacking in voltage.

 

[Cvrk]

I had an Asus z270g motherboard and an i5 7600k @ 5Ghz. Changed only the motherboard and CPU for an Msi x370 pro carbon and Ryzen 1600 @ 3.9, the rest of the system was unchanged ( see system specs). I have seen no noticeable difference in gaming whatsoever.

the Ryzen is OC at 3,9 right ?
Is the system stable ?

Why did you change, just cuz you can afford it ? or did you have any problems with the i5 ?


@NdMk2o1o the Wraith Spire comes with the CPU ,right ? Is it a silent cooler ?

 

[Frag_Maniac]

Yeah well I have him shouting in my ear telling me to go with Intel and then I have you guys telling me that I'll be fine going with AMD Ryzen. Both processors have their strengths and weaknesses.

I don't know what the hell to believe. I'm so stinkin' confused.

He's been my personal goto person for a lot of tech advice as of late because I've been out of the game for so long. It's been five years since I've seriously looked at hardware. Then I have you guys here at this forum and you guys are offering up conflicting advice.

ARG!!!

You're not wrong to be confused. The only real way to compare CPUs is core to core. When the Skylake X 8 core releases, then we'll know how AMD compares to Intel. Little else really matters. What people keep forgetting is comparing FPS alone when pitting an 8 core against a quad is not a fair fight, nor a realistic one because we don't yet know how the two will compare a few years from now when 8 core games are much more common.

What we DO know for now though is a stock 1800x compares pretty well to a 6900, and at half the price. In that sense there's no confusion.

 

[the54thvoid]

You're not wrong to be confused. The only real way to compare CPUs is core to core. When the Skylake X 8 core releases, then we'll know how AMD compares to Intel. Little else really matters. What people keep forgetting is comparing FPS alone when pitting an 8 core against a quad is not a fair fight, nor a realistic one because we don't yet know how the two will compare a few years from now when 8 core games are much more common.

What we DO know for now though is a stock 1800x compares pretty well to a 6900, and at half the price. In that sense there's no confusion.

I don't understand the confusion.

IPC is similar but AMD perhaps is on par with Broadwell (if not Haswell).
AMD isn't clocking as high as Kabylake or Skylake (even on 4 core parts).
For gaming, Intel will give the fps edge.
You don't need 4+ cores...yet.
If you don't run on a budget - buy Intel.
If you do run on a budget and wont use 8 cores - buy Intel.
If you're changing from a 6 core Intel - buy a Ryzen 8 core for the same price or less.
If you're chaning your old 4 core - buy a Kabylake chip (unless you NEED 8 cores).

Simple.

EDIT - I am perfectly happy going from a 4.2Ghz 6 core Sandy-E to a 8 core Ryzen at a stable 3.85Ghz.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

I don't understand the confusion.

IPC is similar but AMD perhaps is on par with Broadwell (if not Haswell).
AMD isn't clocking as high as Kabylake or Skylake (even on 4 core parts).
For gaming, Intel will give the fps edge.
You don't need 4+ cores...yet.
If you don't run on a budget - buy Intel.
If you do run on a budget and wont use 8 cores - buy Intel.
If you're changing from a 6 core Intel - buy a Ryzen 8 core for the same price or less.
If you're chaning your old 4 core - buy a Kabylake chip (unless you NEED 8 cores).

Simple.

EDIT - I am perfectly happy going from a 4.2Ghz 6 core Sandy-E to a 8 core Ryzen at a stable 3.85Ghz.

Except it's not as "simple" as that.

1. There's more to judging game performance than just measuring FPS. Many games can exhibit stutter even when FPS is high.

2. Many keep their CPU/MB for a long time. Five years or more can be common. I've been on my i7-950 for well more than that. We don't yet know how 8 cores will compare to quad cores in 3 years, let alone 5 or more. For those on older chips like mine, you want to think ahead far more than a few years to make your choice.

3. Since 8 cores are inherently clocked lower than quads (same with Intel), it makes more sense to compare core to core.

4. For the above reason, many try to OC their 8 cores as high as possible. Therein lies the only confusion regarding Ryzen 8 cores, but only because AMD blundered in not ironing out details with MB and RAM manufacturers. The result is it can be a pain to make a Ryzen perform best.

5. For the above reason there will be much less confusion once AMD releases their finalized dividers.

That said, were it a quad vs quad discussion, I'd agree that AMD's quad Ryzens don't compare favorably to Intel's quads. I expected them to be clocked much higher.

 

[blacktruckryder]

the Ryzen is OC at 3,9 right ?
Is the system stable ?

Why did you change, just cuz you can afford it ? or did you have any problems with the i5 ?


@NdMk2o1o the Wraith Spire comes with the CPU ,right ? Is it a silent cooler ?

Totally stable at 3.9 @ 1.36v.
I wanted to go back to an Amd CPU to check out the performance for myself. Liked it so much I ended up giving the Intel board and chip to my son. Huge upgrade for him, coming from A10 7890.
The only issue I had with the 7600k was heat. Ended up delidding and applying some clu, problem solved.
Didn't even try the stock cooler. Running a custom loop.

 

[Rehmanpa]

Everybody for years has said "don't get i7 if you're doing gaming" and now people are saying "get an i7 not an 8 core for gaming." It's quite frankly very silly to me why people are debating a 7700k vs a 1700 or anything like that for gaming, because for years it's been the i5 for gaming, the i7 for processes that need more cores, in which case the ryzen curbstops the i7. Has there been some suddenly huge jump in games/applications that benefit from more threads recently? Because if so, that proves that the # of applications where ryzen would be exceptional at (heavily multi threaded applications) are becoming more and more popular, leading to more and more situations where you would be better off with a ryzen over an i7.

Totally stable at 3.9 @ 1.36v.
I wanted to go back to an Amd CPU to check out the performance for myself. Liked it so much I ended up giving the Intel board and chip to my son. Huge upgrade for him, coming from A10 7890.
The only issue I had with the 7600k was heat. Ended up delidding and applying some clu, problem solved.
Didn't even try the stock cooler. Running a custom loop.

What's the temp at 3.9ghz? Also what's the cpu (Is it a 1600, 1700, 1800x)?

 

[Cvrk]

Has there been some suddenly huge jump in games/applications that benefit from more threads recently?

Yes.

@blacktruckryder why was the i7 heating ? For sure you where doing heavy OC , but how much volts and what freg did you managed to get it to ?

@Frag Maniac that was a very good point

 

[blacktruckryder]

My ryzen 1600 idles around 30°c, mid 50s while gaming.

With my 7600k temps would constantly spike upwards of 90°c even at idle sometimes. Usually on just one core though. 70c after the delid/relid. But it would idle around 30c and game in the mid 60s.
That particular 7600k ran all day at 5Ghz @ 1.3v. It could hit 5.3Ghz but needed over 1.4v to be stress test stable.

 

[purecain]

my ryzen clocks @ upto 4.1 ghz and runs 3566mhz ram... fastest system ive ever owned. every time I see the benchmark scores way above the 6950x I give myself a pat on the back for making ythe right upgrade choice.

my games now run smoothly on my titan xp. where as on any intel chip the experience felt jerky. I love gaming on the amd system.

this feeling I'm getting while playing games would be enough to sway me alone. the fact the chip excels in every other area is just amazing. I'm not bothering with the 32core as I just don't need it. my 1800x kicks ass. especially intel fanboy ass....

according to benchmarks my 1800x beats haswell easily.

 

[Cvrk]

my ryzen clocks @ upto 4.1 ghz and runs 3566mhz ram... f

That is one very expensive motherboard! So... you are telling me they fixed the 2933 ram cap ?
I see a MSI motherboard for half the price . Says it supports ram up to 3200, considering what you said ,i can actually hit that ? You are using GSkill ram, don't think Corsair ram paired with Amd can go to 3200 tho... I don't now. Can it ? GSkill is also very expensive. I rather get Corsair

Also does your motherboard has dedicated RGM lighting ? I mean the slot where you can insert a rgb strip and configure it via motherboard software . Gygabyte, MSI, and AsRock have it.

 

[r9]

I don't know if anybody else posted this but the latest Tomb Rider patch improves fps by 20%.
Confirmed on multiple websites.
Oh man I just feel sorry for people who invested in i7 7700 thinking that is better gaming CPU.
i7 beats the 1600 by 10%, and this is according to TPU, not some Amd fan youtuber.
And like I said that is only because none of those games are even slightly optimized for ryzen.
With Ryzen in laptops and prebuilt systems developers have incentive to optimize for it now.

 

[trparky]

Does anyone have Ryzen benchmarks for Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3?

 

[EarthDog]

Have you tried googling it?

 

[trparky]

Have you tried googling it?

Yeah I have, nobody seems to have any.

 

[Rehmanpa]

My ryzen 1600 idles around 30°c, mid 50s while gaming.

With my 7600k temps would constantly spike upwards of 90°c even at idle sometimes. Usually on just one core though. 70c after the delid/relid. But it would idle around 30c and game in the mid 60s.
That particular 7600k ran all day at 5Ghz @ 1.3v. It could hit 5.3Ghz but needed over 1.4v to be stress test stable.

Better temps than my stock 4790k under water.

Yeah I have, nobody seems to have any.

I'd imagine that RTS games would take advantage of lots of thread, such as Planetary Annihilation.

 

[phanbuey]

Better temps than my stock 4790k under water.


I'd imagine that RTS games would take advantage of lots of thread, such as Planetary Annihilation.

RTS and Virtual Reality games are all thread hogs... most FPS's are starting to be as well (BF1 for instance)

 

[Rehmanpa]

RTS and Virtual Reality games are all thread hogs... most FPS's are starting to be as well (BF1 for instance)

Yeah, which in my mind more of a reason to buy a Ryzen processor over the intel 7700k. People who compare it to AMDs quadcores and say "look, it's faster" don't understand the $150ish price difference.

 

[Dethroy]

Does anyone have Ryzen benchmarks for Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3?

There's no reason to. No current monitor is capeable of displaying the amount of FPS you'd be running anyways ...