AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[trparky]

There's no reason to. No current monitor is capeable of displaying the amount of FPS you'd be running anyways ...

Say what? Huh?

 

[the54thvoid]

Say what? Huh?

Because they have very undemanding gfx for cards these days. This is from 3 1/2 years ago.

It's not a Ryzen CPU, it's a 4770k at 4.2Ghz.

A 780ti was matched and beaten by a 980. So work out the fps for your card using some guestimation.

This is my CPU using the latest and corrected CPU-Z (which addressed a flaw that may have given Ryzen an edge previously).

So, my chip at 3.85Ghz is 98% the single threaded performance of a chip at 4Ghz. So, the 1700X at 3.85Ghz is 96.25% the speed of the Devils Canyon but gives 98% the performance, so IPC is higher per clock but of course, Ryzen doesn't clock as high. But there you have it, an 8 core chip that is equal in IPC to Haswell and due to the cores, twice as fast in mutli-threaded.

Ryzen would have no issues replicating the above graph values.

 

[trparky]

Am I correct in stating that my chip is actually faster in single-threaded tasks than the R7 1700? Or am I reading the numbers wrong?

Note: This processor (Core i5 3570k) has been overclocked to 4.3 GHz.

 

[R0H1T]

Am I correct in stating that my chip is actually faster in single-threaded tasks than the R7 1700? Or am I reading the numbers wrong?
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Note: This processor (Core i5 3570k) has been overclocked to 4.3 GHz.

The cpuZ benchmark was tweaked last month, saw a mini uproar on Guru3d.

 

[Johan45]

Ryzen 1700 is only 3.0GHz plus boost at stock

 

[the54thvoid]

Am I correct in stating that my chip is actually faster in single-threaded tasks than the R7 1700? Or am I reading the numbers wrong?
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Note: This processor (Core i5 3570k) has been overclocked to 4.3 GHz.

Run the test and show the score:

My score at 3.85Ghz

 

[trparky]

Yep, 440.4 on my processor and 359 on the Ryzen 7 1700. So really Ryzen, at least for me, would be a downgrade as versus an upgrade. Double . That comes out to be nearly 19% slower in the single-core performance category. Triple

Looks like Intel is my only choice at this moment on a per-IPC single-core performance basis.

 

[the54thvoid]

Yep, 440.4 on my processor and 359 on the Ryzen 7 1700. So really Ryzen, at least for me, would be a downgrade as versus an upgrade. Double .

Looks like Intel is my only choice at this moment on a per-IPC single-core performance basis.

Yes, 440.4 at 4.3Ghz on your CPU? 440.2 on mine at 3.85Ghz. It's not an IPC downgrade on architecture, it's a sidegrade to a better IPC but slightly lower clocks (giving the same performance). However, double the physical cores.

Thing is, if you dont need the cores, buy a 7600k and clock it to 4.5Ghz.

I had a 6 core Intel so I didnt want to drop to a 4 core 7700k (which was my plan until i thought, wtf and went AMD).

I go back to my initial thoughts. If you need moar cores and you dont need the fastest gaming CPU, buy a Ryzen if you want to save cash for something else. If you dont need/want the cores, why the hell would you buy an AMD chip? I did on a whim. A freaking whim. Just so I could experience an AMD cpu for the first time in over a decade. And it's absolutely fine and it flies. Gaming - superb for me paired with a 1080ti. Daily use - superb. No issues.

But.... if you want the best platform with the faster CPU - spend the extra cash and buy a bloody Intel CPU.

My existential argument was this:

If I choose Intel, in one or two years, they'll release something faster on a new platform. I'll feel left behind. If i choose AMD, I don't expect them to release another 8 core CPU until a few more years and maybe I can get a refined, faster Zen 8 core on my same mobo.

Thing is, if AMD release a faster 8 core Zen+ on a NEW platform, I'll abandon them and go back to Intel as a protest.

 

[trparky]

440.2 on mine at 3.85Ghz

And what's your processor?

The Core i7 7700k scores 492 on single-threaded tests. That's an increase in IPC.

 

[the54thvoid]

And what's your processor?

The Core i7 7700k scores 492 on single-threaded tests. That's an increase in IPC.

Are you trolling me?

The CPU-Z screenshots clearly state a 1700X. Also the 7700k is at 4.2Ghz (my chip is 91.6% of that at 3.85Ghz). My score is 89.4% of the 4.2Ghz 7700k. So really, IPC is very close BUT, like I've already clearly stated the Intel chip clocks higher so the same clock for clock IPC (as measured by CPU-Z because real world doesn't work that way) means the higher clocking chip wins, i.e. Intel.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I get 525 on single and 2700 on multi I think but that's at 4.6, in relative terms there is little in it, the vast majority of users don't overclock in any case.

 

[Cvrk]

If i choose AMD, I don't expect them to release another 8 core CPU until a few more years and maybe I can get a refined, faster Zen 8 core on my same mobo.

AM4 + right around the corner ,just how it happened to AM3 in about 11 months it turned into AM3+ . So i'd say your mobo is almost old and useless for an upgrade of any kind. Oh my for me,and the rest of the poor people, that sounds so harsh (not for you cuz you can always afford it). Before purchasing we must w8 to see what happens this summer.
Speaking of purchases , 37 thread page, and i have no idea what to buy.

Btw @the54thvoid what frequency is your ram running at for that Ryzen ? Cuz i sense i liar among us , a few pages up this dude mentioned something about very high freq on his ram that i can't find anything about it on the net. Surely if it was true everyone one on youtube would have been screaming about it.

 

[the54thvoid]

AM4 + right around the corner ,just how it happened to AM3 in about 11 months it turned into AM3+ . So i'd say your mobo is almost old and useless for an upgrade of any kind. Oh my for me,and the rest of the poor people, that sounds so harsh (not for you cuz you can always afford it). Before purchasing we must w8 to see what happens this summer.
Speaking of purchases , 37 thread page, and i have no idea what to buy.

Btw @the54thvoid what frequency is your ram running at for that Ryzen ? Cuz i sense i liar among us , a few pages up this dude mentioned something about very high freq on his ram that i can't find anything about it on the net. Surely if it was true everyone one on youtube would have been screaming about it.

My ram is 3200. It was on the Crosshair 6 QVL for memory (one of only a few at that frequency). GSkill for the win! I researched before I bought and it worked without any fuss.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Yep, 440.4 on my processor and 359 on the Ryzen 7 1700. So really Ryzen, at least for me, would be a downgrade as versus an upgrade. Double . That comes out to be nearly 19% slower in the single-core performance category. Triple

Looks like Intel is my only choice at this moment on a per-IPC single-core performance basis.

You're comparing yours overclocked to a stock CPU

 

[trparky]

440 divided by 4.3 (my overclocked speed) equals roughly 102.32. Take that number and multiply that by 3.4 (stock speed) and you get 348. I figure that a stock i5 3570k would have a score of around that number.

 

[R-T-B]

440 divided by 4.3 (my overclocked speed) equals roughly 102.32. Take that number and multiply that by 3.4 (stock speed) and you get 348. I figure that a stock i5 3570k would have a score of around that number.

Ryzen overclocks over 4.0Ghz were seen in the TPU review to actually throttle internally. As such, performance (and thus IPC) on anything over 4.0Ghz is likely to suffer. Sad reality of Ryzen land.

Relevant page, check the power consumption:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_7_1800X/15.html

 

[purecain]

That is one very expensive motherboard! So... you are telling me they fixed the 2933 ram cap ?
I see a MSI motherboard for half the price . Says it supports ram up to 3200, considering what you said ,i can actually hit that ? You are using GSkill ram, don't think Corsair ram paired with Amd can go to 3200 tho... I don't now. Can it ? GSkill is also very expensive. I rather get Corsair

Also does your motherboard has dedicated RGM lighting ? I mean the slot where you can insert a rgb strip and configure it via motherboard software . Gygabyte, MSI, and AsRock have it.

there are two white 4pin RGB headers on the board.

I looked at what cpu-z said about making their test fair... I mean they have chosen a method which is similar to running a game, which amd is known to be having a performance issue with. so i don't agree with their change to the bench in cpu-z at all...
my multithreaded performance has been cut buy over 200points...wtf even with the intel advantage my chip beats a 6950x in single threaded and matches it in multithreaded.
ive taken a screen shot of the 4790 as a comparison seen as we have one above.

so my old chip was this good... no it wasn't. my last chip was a 4.45ghz haswell and I am overly happy with my purchase...

we need a program to bench to replace cpu-z. its no longer valid....

that screenshot from the review must of been early days on bad silicon. because my chip never gets that hot and it will hit 4ghz @1.34v after vdroop. no problem.
I just checked all the benchmarks and to be fair, if my 4c 8t cpu could of kept up with my work load. I wouldn't of 'up' graded. this platform is definatly an upgrade. and everything runs much quicker than it did on haswell. I enjoyed the build and learning about a new architecture.

 

[R-T-B]

I don't honestly feel from what I understand that CPU-Z is being unfair. Didn't they simply update their benchmark to show a modern ISA test, instead of just SSE2 like before? That may actually be a more acurate picture than we are willing to admit. This doesn't make Ryzen a bad chip mind you, it just shows it sucks at things like AVX (which ironically, games hardly use). It's more a mathematical test than a gaming one.

 

[Cvrk]

My ram is 3200. It was on the Crosshair 6 QVL for memory (one of only a few at that frequency). GSkill for the win! I researched before I bought and it worked without any fuss.

Is it CL14 ? or what ? Can you link to a page with the exact specs of your ram please ?

 

[Rehmanpa]

Ryzen just dropped their prices a bit on the higher end ones, now it's like 350 for a 1700x and 315 for the 1700. 1800x iirc is like 45(or was it a bit more)??

Would the 1700x be worth 30 over the 1700 for overclocking?? I.e. would you have a better chance overclocking a 1700x than a 1700?

 

[GoldenX]

I think the 1700x is a better deal if you go for an A320 motherboard and forsake overclock, I'll use the 1700 for an overclock capable board.

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/ryzen_7_1700x/
http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/ryzen_7_1700/
Apparently the 1700x is a bit better of an overclocker.

 

[Dethroy]

Ryzen just dropped their prices a bit on the higher end ones, now it's like 350 for a 1700x and 315 for the 1700. 1800x iirc is like 45(or was it a bit more)??

Would the 1700x be worth 30 over the 1700 for overclocking?? I.e. would you have a better chance overclocking a 1700x than a 1700?

I'd say the 1700X is the much better option now if you're not looking to OC yourself (e.g. SFF PC with limited cooling options or not willing to play silicon lottery), and it might even be the better bargain when planning to OC as it might clock a bit higher or need less voltage for the same results while also offering a better resale value.

I plan on building a SFF machine (backed the kickstarter for the DAN Cases A4-SFX v2), and if I were to buy a CPU now, it would definitely be the 1700X.

1. The added cost is utterly negligible considering how long that CPU is gonna be used... 35$ spread over 3-5 years - errh, yeah
2. Albeit manually overclocking the 1700 may net the same results as a 1700X, I'd miss out on Ryzen's impressive SenseMI power saving features, thus increasing cooling needs - something I'm trying to avoid as much as possible since cooling options in the DAN Cases A4-SFX are rather limited.
3. Peace of mind.

Edit: This spreadsheet of mine may also help some people making a decision.

 

[the54thvoid]

Is it CL14 ? or what ? Can you link to a page with the exact specs of your ram please ?

https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-16gtzr

I'm not experienced at all with memory overclocking, that's why I bought the fastest I could out the box but the latency actually showsas 16, not 14 in the CPU-Z memory tab (16-16-16-39-75)

 

[EarthDog]

Set xmp/docp profile...

 

[the54thvoid]

Set xmp/docp profile...

Hmm... I simply selected frequency in BIOS of 3200. There are multiple DOCP profiles and I'll need to look at my core clock again..... Suppose it's worth fiddling for fun....