Intel Rushes in a Six-core Mainstream Desktop Processor by September

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Rejoice Intel fanboys, for AMD has brought change and competition after so many years in the dark.

Next step is Intel finally giving good heatsinks.

You call this rejoice worthy ,intel ditching their last platform like that ,oh i get they will require a pin change (seriously wtf) but with this and x299 its all turning a bit arse
Shits sake the 18 core muther chucker will be out after coffee lake at this rate.
Total shitstorm of confusion if you ask me but yeah competition ,, tut one side always makes an ass of it.

 

[Hood]

Another Millennial gamer who thinks the world revolves around them. I doubt having the competition release a product that is nearly twice as fast as theirs (1998x vs 7900x) for a lower price was part of their plan. I doubt they are too excited to even have to sell a 10-core for $1000 at all. If Ryzen/TR didn't exist, it would still be $1500. I would say a lot has changed.

Pretty much nothing in your comment makes sense.

Not a gamer, and I'm 10 years older than Intel and AMD. You missed the point of my post, which was that Intel is still faster and still more expensive, and still the first choice of professionals. The real joke is that kids playing games think they need 32 threads, they all want "Threadripper" for bragging rights, and it still will be slower for gaming than Intels upcoming 6c/12t mainstream offering. Which is why I said nothing has really changed, just shifting perceptions.

 

[JMccovery]

We had z170, z270 and now z370 coming up in the first 8 months of the year. What is z270 for exactly?

What was it for? A money sink.

 

[atomicus]

To all that think Intel is worried or reacting desperately to AMD, my take on all this is that Intel is enjoying a little game of cat-and-mouse, releasing so many SKUs to cover every possible price point and use case. It's like they're saying "We're still the best and we can still charge more - let's see how many budget gamers really think they need 16 or 32 cores, because professionals who actually use that many still want the best, and are willing to pay for it." Same as always, nothing has really changed.

I don't understand why you would think this when Intel's actions suggest quite the opposite... as does the reaction of the press, most savvy consumers and even motherboard manufacturers, all of whom were caught off guard by Intel's 18-Core monster. It was very clearly a knee jerk reaction to Threadripper. And even if you discount that, just look at the X299 platform... it's a MESS! It doesn't even know what it is or who it's aimed at. This is NOT a product range that a company releases when they are calm, collected and on top of their game... on the contrary!!

I do however agree with your point that Intel are saying "we're still the best and we can still charge more"... only they're doing it with their fingers stuck in their ears and their eyes shut!!

 

[rtwjunkie]

Another Millennial gamer who thinks the world revolves around them. I doubt having the competition release a product that is nearly twice as fast as theirs (1998x vs 7900x) for a lower price was part of their plan. I doubt they are too excited to even have to sell a 10-core for $1000 at all. If Ryzen/TR didn't exist, it would still be $1500. I would say a lot has changed.

Pretty much nothing in your comment makes sense.

Really dude? Millennial? What do you actually know about him?

 

[Hood]

What is z270 for exactly?

Just to add Ultra M.2 slots (PCIe 3.0 x 4), just like Z97 added the first M.2 slots (PCIe2.0 x 2) and nothing else.

 

[VSG]

Just to add Ultra M.2 slots (PCIe 3.0 x 4), just like Z97 added the first M.2 slots (PCIe2.0 x 2) and nothing else.

Didn't Z170 add that already though?

 

[ratirt]

Unfortunately I have no other choice but to go Intel for my needs. I really, REALLY hate to say that but for my needs getting a Ryzen would be a mistake.

I two games (well OK, mainly one game) that are heavily single-threaded beasts, namely Starcraft 2.

For instance, you can't overclock a Ryzen chip past 4 GHz due to internal throttling. Even if you do some how manage to overclock it past 4 GHz the performance gains that you get past 4 GHz becomes negligible at best, 4 GHz on Ryzen is the wall of diminishing returns; hit that "wall" and you won't get any more out of it.

I was then reading about how this one user has an i5 7600k processor that's been overclocked to 5 GHz. By his math that's 5/4 = 1.25 or a 25% single thread performance increase from CPU clock alone. Add another 5 to 15% performance on Kaby Lake over Ryzen (we know this) and you end up with a potential 31-45% single thread performance benefit on his overclocked i5 7600k processor. With that being said, the game dips down to 30 FPS despite having that Core i5 7600k of his overclocked to 5 GHz along with DDR4-3200 memory.

On my system's overclocked Core i5 3570k CPU the game dips down to as low as 15 FPS when there's a lot of action on the screen.

Basically Starcraft 2, still one of my favorite games, requires all the CPU power you can throw at it and then some. The game itself under the hood is an un-optimized piece of shit, the only thing that will make it run better is throwing more hardware at it. Before you say that Blizzard can fix it, I doubt it. The game engine is over seven years old, I highly doubt that Blizzard would be willing to go "under the hood" and do anything about it.

No doubt about it. If you need then you need to go intel. From my stand point everybody's got a choice. I'm not swapping my gear for now but if I get to pick a CPU and new system it would be Ryzen. honestly single threads on ryzen are not that bad. just don't exaggerate this topic that much.
BTW. I love starcraft2. Blizzard now has dropped charging cash for starcraft 1. I had so much fun playing it and not long ago I did it again One of my favorite games ever

 

[Frick]

Have you used the ones that come with the low end Celerons?

Yep. Not loud.

 

[EarthDog]

Yep. Not loud.

Whats the difference... a copper core and not... same fan, same not loud.

 

[Frick]

Whats the difference... a copper core and not... same fan, same not loud.

And thickness.

 

[GoldenX]

It's louder than the PSU and case fans (considering you register them), and if regulated, the CPU heats very quickly. A 212 is louder at 100% but regulated is constantly at low RPMs.
It's simply too thin.

 

[trparky]

honestly single threads on ryzen are not that bad.

When it's 20% lower than Intel on some benchmarks and in some real-world numbers that's a lot and it can contribute to not getting that faster feeling in situations where you should be seeing it after buying a new chip.

 

[EarthDog]

So are most heat

It's louder than the PSU and case fans (considering you register them), and if regulated, the CPU heats very quickly. A 212 is louder at 100% but regulated is constantly at low RPMs.
It's simply too thin.

ive never, ever, heard my psu fan... and you know me, i dont buy double what i need...

That said, ive run one, and the 270x ice q i heard over it...the ryzen cooler is louder (swapped out older intel with ryzen 1500).

Meh, subjective.

 

[ratirt]

When it's 20% lower than Intel on some benchmarks and in some real-world numbers that's a lot and it can contribute to not getting that faster feeling in situations where you should be seeing it after buying a new chip.

It's a new architecture maybe that is why. Just give it a year and it will be same as intel or better. I assume we are talking about 7700k ?

 

[trparky]

I assume we are talking about 7700k?

Yes.

 

[Hood]

Didn't Z170 add that already though?

You're right - Z270 boards only added more M.2 ports, at the expense of most Intel SATA ports (with all M.2 slots populated), and 4 more chipset PCIe lanes, I think.

 

[ratirt]

Yes.

The differences are not that significant now. Since updates came out for Ryzen and it has closed the gap to 7700k sharply. Besides in some games 7700K has a utilization of over a 100% and that's on 5Ghz. My assumption is, within a year it may become a bottleneck or even earlier in some games if we see this behavior now. But that's just my opinion.

 

[sutyi]

The differences are not that significant now. Since updates came out for Ryzen and it has closed the gap to 7700k sharply. Besides in some games 7700K has a utilization of over a 100% and that's on 5Ghz. My assumption is, within a year it may become a bottleneck or even earlier in some games if we see this behavior now. But that's just my opinion.

I wouldn't go on and bet on games getting rapidly even more multi-threaded (< 1y), but it is inevitable in the long run.

I went out got myself a Ryzen 1600 a couple of weeks back for essentially the same money as i5-7600(non-K). Was a nobrainer tho... got 2 extra physical cores and SMT on top. As for the IPC difference in single threaded applications, it works flawlessly at 3.2@3.6GHz with stock voltages.