AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[trparky]

but you do want the 144hz

OK so that one is a no-go.

 

[Rehmanpa]

At this point is it worth buying Ryzen 7 since it's prices are a bit cheaper right now (only $300 for the 1700) or should I continue to wait for Threadripper?

 

[R-T-B]

At this point is it worth buying Ryzen 7 since it's prices are a bit cheaper right now (only $300 for the 1700) or should I continue to wait for Threadripper?

Personally, I'd go Ryzen. I find it a nice balance between clocks and single threaded performance. I don't see threadrippers clocks or inter-CCX communication doing well at all, but maybe that's just me.

 

[Rehmanpa]

Personally, I'd go Ryzen. I find it a nice balance between clocks and single threaded performance. I don't see threadrippers clocks or inter-CCX communication doing well at all, but maybe that's just me.

The 1998 will turbo to 3.6ghz and the 1998x like 3.7ghz.
edit: I suppose that means they'll have the same performance as existing chips just with more threads. Wondering if 32 threads would be worth an extra $500 and continued waiting vs just getting 16 threads now. Either way a significant upgrade from my 4790k.

 

[trparky]

Well there is the fact that you will have to buy a more expensive motherboard than if you go with Ryzen.

 

[Rehmanpa]

Well there is the fact that you will have to buy a more expensive motherboard than if you go with Ryzen.

Yeah, but it will be a lot better motherboard. I'm just wondering I'm when this summer threadripper is releasing.
edit: Just kind of tired of waiting to buy PC parts (vega, threadripper, etc.). Can't wait until I actually buy them!

 

[infrared]

If you have things you'll be doing that use all available threads, then threadripper will be awesome. But for gaming I predict it'll do slightly worse than the R7's due to the number of infinity fabric links adding latency between all the ccx's. I guess we'll see when reviews start trickling in, but it's definitely not a gaming oriented cpu. Clock speeds are still high though so it might do ok.

It's such a cool time to be a hardware enthusiast!

 

[Rehmanpa]

If you have things you'll be doing that use all available threads, then threadripper will be awesome. But for gaming I predict it'll do slightly worse than the R7's due to the number of infinity fabric links adding latency between all the ccx's. I guess we'll see when reviews start trickling in, but it's definitely not a gaming oriented cpu. Clock speeds are still high though so it might do ok.

It's such a cool time to be a hardware enthusiast!

Darn right about being a cool time to be an enthusiast. I also forgot to ask how much stock of these processors you guys tbink there will be. They'll probably be pretty darn popular.

 

[trparky]

Apparently the few benchmarking sites that claimed that Starcraft 2 ran like shit on Ryzen were wrong, plain wrong.
Anyone with any variation of ryzen have starcraft 2 performance benchmarks? | Reddit

One person was saying that he had frame rates as high as 150 to 160 FPS on a 1700x overclocked to 3.8 GHz at 1080p@144Hz. That same person used a test map that's just loaded with a ton of units to stress things as far as possible, lowest was 40 FPS. I'm going to have to look at Ryzen again but not until I can get at least another $700 (I have $900 saved up already) for a total around $1600 to not only build a Ryzen system but to go for nVidia as well with a 1440p@144Hz monitor. Now I have to decide if I want to go with the slightly cheaper GTX 1070 or go all in with the GTX 1080ti.

I did do some testing of my own on my current system. When there's a lot of action on the screen the MSI Afterburner overlay was telling me that the GPU was getting absolutely hammered to hell and back with 100% usage the whole damn time yet CPU usage was barely 50% yet FPS was dropping in the low 30s. That tells me my bottleneck is the GPU, the R9 380 just can't cope.

Why oh why did I buy this cheap ass video card?

 

[infrared]

You'd probably get a good price for that graphics card at the minute, with the mining craze going on! And good to hear it does better than we thought in Starcraft 2 as well.

I installed overwatch the other day and the 1800x was having no trouble at all maxing out the 1080ti, it was pinned at 99% all the time it was below 165fps (monitor refresh rate) and getting up to that 165fps pretty often. (all settings maxed at 1440p) I need to get some time in on that game now, I'm a total noob on it at the moment! This is the first time I've played a first person shooter with a monitor capable of displaying such a crazy frame rate, it's a cool experience! I don't think I could go back to a 60hz monitor ever again now..

So far these games i've tried all run stunningly well on this hardware: overwatch, witcher 3, assassins creed syndicate, project cars, alien isolation..
as mentioned before, Fallout 4 is the only game I've tried that has problems, just because it's not coded well for multi threading. But it runs great most (>90%) of the time.

Just finished installing Prey, I'll try that out tomorrow, looks interesting.

I'm still not fully maxed out on the RAM clocks either, I'm back on the 1002 bios for the crosshair at the moment so running at 3200 14-14-14-34, but it's capable of running it at 3700mhz with base clock overclocking or with elmor's beta bios wither higher memory dividers. I flashed back due to weird stability issues while running WCG, but when the next official bios comes out supporting higher speeds it'll be pretty cool!

 

[_larry]

Very pleased with my 1600X purchase. It's at 4ghz~ right now. Going to see how far I can push it on air and then move to my liquid cooler.

 

[R-T-B]

The 1998 will turbo to 3.6ghz and the 1998x like 3.7ghz.
edit: I suppose that means they'll have the same performance as existing chips just with more threads. Wondering if 32 threads would be worth an extra $500 and continued waiting vs just getting 16 threads now. Either way a significant upgrade from my 4790k.

Is that known, or speculation?

I'm a bit behind in news stuff, been spending most of this week taking care of my father from surgery for prostate cancer.

 

[Rehmanpa]

Apparently the few benchmarking sites that claimed that Starcraft 2 ran like shit on Ryzen were wrong, plain wrong.
Anyone with any variation of ryzen have starcraft 2 performance benchmarks? | Reddit

One person was saying that he had frame rates as high as 150 to 160 FPS on a 1700x overclocked to 3.8 GHz at 1080p@144Hz. That same person used a test map that's just loaded with a ton of units to stress things as far as possible, lowest was 40 FPS. I'm going to have to look at Ryzen again but not until I can get at least another $700 (I have $900 saved up already) for a total around $1600 to not only build a Ryzen system but to go for nVidia as well with a 1440p@144Hz monitor. Now I have to decide if I want to go with the slightly cheaper GTX 1070 or go all in with the GTX 1080ti.

Benchmarks can be misleading, because you never

Is that known, or speculation?

I'm a bit behind in news stuff, been spending most of this week taking care of my father from surgery for prostate cancer.

I think it's mostly speculative, but I'm thinking it's gonna be really close to release clock speeds.
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/250258-amd-cuts-ryzen-7-prices-readies-threadripper-cpus
http://www.pcgamer.com/amds-ryzen-9-threadripper-cpu-lineup-leaked/

Also sorry about your dad. I hope the surgery went well. Fuck cancer.

 

[R-T-B]

Also sorry about your dad. I hope the surgery went well. Fuck cancer.

It did, actaully. They weren't even sure if they could do the surgery because he fell two stories from a ladder last year and thus his hip is reassembled from steel plates and screws. But they did, the cancer is out, and I should be back to newsposts soon.

Thank goodness for Ryzen. What little time away I have has been spent tweaking it, and I love that.

 

[Cvrk]

Looking at the table in the link below
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-review-benchmarks
If i OC the clockspeed does the Turbo boost as well?
For example on a Ryzen 1700x if rased the clockspeed from 3,4 to 3,6 ,will it increase the Turbo to 4ghz ?

 

[infrared]

No, overclocking overrides the turbo and xfr. When overclocking normally it'll be at whatever clockspeed you set at all times. If you want to overclock and keep power saving features you need to set the P-States so that it drops the frequency and voltage when your system is under light or no load. I didn't bother with this because running WCG it's under full load all the time, but it's probably worth spending the time getting right.

 

[Johan45]

No, overclocking overrides the turbo and xfr. When overclocking normally it'll be at whatever clockspeed you set at all times. If you want to overclock and keep power saving features you need to set the P-States so that it drops the frequency and voltage when your system is under light or no load. I didn't bother with this because running WCG it's under full load all the time, but it's probably worth spending the time getting right.

Setting the p-state is so easy, takes about two minutes. That's how I have my 1600x HTPC set up now. 4.0 with a .02V offset and LLC at 2. If you already have your OC down it's just a matter of changing the P-state setting and rebooting. DONE

 

[infrared]

Setting the p-state is so easy, takes about two minutes. That's how I have my 1600x HTPC set up now. 4.0 with a .02V offset and LLC at 2. If you already have your OC down it's just a matter of changing the P-state setting and rebooting. DONE

Thanks, I'll see if I can get that dialed in tonight.

 

[Johan45]

Easiest way , if you already have your offset figured, go to AMD CBS Custom Pstates and open up Pstate 0 and it will already be set at your OC numbers so nothing to figure out. Leave it on custom go back to tweaker and set core ratio on auto and disable core boost. Core boost is important for those running the "X" variant. If your PC doesn't boot and goes into a "safe" boot it holds your offset but the Pstate is gone so It boots into XFR ( if not disabled) plus your offset and can give some pretty large voltages

 

[phanbuey]

Easiest way , if you already have your offset figured, go to AMD CBS Custom Pstates and open up Pstate 0 and it will already be set at your OC numbers so nothing to figure out. Leave it on custom go back to tweaker and set core ratio on auto and disable core boost. Core boost is important for those running the "X" variant. If your PC doesn't boot and goes into a "safe" boot it holds your offset but the Pstate is gone so It boots into XFR ( if not disabled) plus your offset and can give some pretty large voltages

im going to try that today... the offset bumps my voltages into the 1.52 range from 1.45

 

[Johan45]

im going to try that today... the offset bumps my voltages into the 1.52 range from 1.45

Does the prime have the custom P-State option?

 

[phanbuey]

Does the prime have the custom P-State option?

Not sure - but there is a CoreBoost option that I just left set at 'auto' ... Maybe I misread, but I thought your post mentioned that this might be kicking off the voltage boost when sitting at a flat overclock.

i.e. the chip sits at 1.45 but at load creeps up to 1.524 and stays there until the load eases off.

 

[Rehmanpa]

Setting the p-state is so easy, takes about two minutes. That's how I have my 1600x HTPC set up now. 4.0 with a .02V offset and LLC at 2. If you already have your OC down it's just a matter of changing the P-state setting and rebooting. DONE

You got a stable 4ghz oc that easily?

 

[Johan45]

You got a stable 4ghz oc that easily?

This 1600X is a good sample, much better than average IMO. It's almost stable at stock and this is with a not so good CM V8 that has sat here for three years. That wasn't a wise purchase.

Not sure - but there is a CoreBoost option that I just left set at 'auto' ... Maybe I misread, but I thought your post mentioned that this might be kicking off the voltage boost when sitting at a flat overclock.

i.e. the chip sits at 1.45 but at load creeps up to 1.524 and stays there until the load eases off.

Yeah the XFR/CPB will kick the voltage up but I'm surprised your CPU would be using that much. You can't rely on a lot of SW for accurate voltage reporting.

 

[Aenra]

Will be interesting to see how close to our expectations Threadrippers will come (considering they're basically two R7s interposed).

I've yet to draw conclusions out of thin air like others, we have a quad band to take into consideration this time and also, those 3 12core variants. That 1976X shows speeds we wouldn't have been expecting on a 12core R7, so that gives me some pause.

edit: On the other hand, because fair is fair, this may well all be moot. Those new i9 IMCs.. 4,2 and 4,4 GHz quad RAM freqs? If that happens, no way we're looking at a 7-10ish% performance difference, not again. Which is really sad, i wish they could compare similarly again. AMD needs the financial boost and we sure need someone to bring some variety and competition back to the table. They did in the mainstream segment, they need it in HEDT as well