AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[Johan45]

Will be interesting to see how close to our expectations Threadrippers will come (considering they're basically two R7s interposed).

I've yet to draw conclusions out of thin air like others, we have a quad band to take into consideration this time and also, those 3 12core variants. That 1976X shows speeds we wouldn't have been expecting on a 12core R7, so that gives me some pause.

edit: On the other hand, because fair is fair, this may well all be moot. Those new i9 IMCs.. 4,2 and 4,4 GHz quad RAM freqs? If that happens, no way we're looking at a 7-10ish% performance difference, not again. Which is really sad, i wish they could compare similarly again. AMD needs the financial boost and we sure need someone to bring some variety and competition back to the table. They did in the mainstream segment, they need it in HEDT as well

It'll really depend on consumers and how much they're willing to pay for that extra performance. Getting a 16c 32t for the price of an 8c 16t intel might convince some to go red

 

[trparky]

I was watching a video in which they were talking about some kind of "one-click overclocking" on some Asus board. It was some kind of software that you run in Windows, it did some kind of auto overclock and test process for you to determine just how far you can overclock your chip. I think they were talking about it using a RoG motherboard but I have to wonder if it will work on any Asus motherboard. Anyone try?

 

[GoldenX]

Had something similar on an old AMD 770 MSI board, it's not so good at determining limits.

 

[trparky]

And since I'm looking at Asus motherboard for a future Ryzen build (I need to save up another $600 since I'm throwing in a GTX 1080 into the mix), I have to wonder if I should go with the B350-Plus or the X370-Pro. What they want for the RoG board is well... insane. $240 for just the motherboard is insane.

 

[_JP_]

I was watching a video in which they were talking about some kind of "one-click overclocking" on some Asus board. It was some kind of software that you run in Windows, it did some kind of auto overclock and test process for you to determine just how far you can overclock your chip. I think they were talking about it using a RoG motherboard but I have to wonder if it will work on any Asus motherboard. Anyone try?

That is an old ASUS feature that goes way back to the Pentium4/Athlon64 days...back then as AI Booster, IIRC.
I used it...it was hit-or-miss. Usually, voltage tuning wasn't that good, it was just getting the highest clock possible to boot on [auto] or a fixed percentage above stock.
Considering we're in the days of "turbo" and XFR...I'm not seeing that feature being much of an advantage.

And since I'm looking at Asus motherboard for a future Ryzen build (I need to save up another $600 since I'm throwing in a GTX 1080 into the mix), I have to wonder if I should go with the B350-Plus or the X370-Pro. What they want for the RoG board is well... insane. $240 for just the motherboard is insane.

Well, X370 boards are usually paired with better power delivery for overclocking stability, plus other extras...

 

[Johan45]

I was watching a video in which they were talking about some kind of "one-click overclocking" on some Asus board. It was some kind of software that you run in Windows, it did some kind of auto overclock and test process for you to determine just how far you can overclock your chip. I think they were talking about it using a RoG motherboard but I have to wonder if it will work on any Asus motherboard. Anyone try?

Just out of curiosity I have tried it and honestly it sucks, it's part of AISuite It wasn't what I would consider stable and left my ram in the dust. Just google asus 5 way optimization. You can read about some of the fun other have had with it.

 

[trparky]

left my ram in the dust

What? Are you saying that it physically killed your RAM modules?

 

[Johan45]

NO it set them back to default during the OC process. The whole thing was a mess IMO. Personally I'll never use it again

 

[trparky]

If given the choice between the ASUS B350-Plus or the X370-Pro, which would you choose? Or if none of them, recommend another one.

 

[Rehmanpa]

Does anybody here know how an x5650 xeon fares against an r7 1700 (or a dual x5650)? I'm thinking about replacing that system with it and want to make sure it's an actual upgrade, not either a downgrade or a useless sidegrade.

 

[R-T-B]

If given the choice between the ASUS B350-Plus or the X370-Pro, which would you choose? Or if none of them, recommend another one.

X370-Pro is what I'd choose out of those.

EDIT: And if you do not care about a ton of broken p-state (energy saving) functionality in bios, I am rather pleased with my gigabyte aorus gaming 5.

 

[Rehmanpa]

X370-Pro is what I'd choose out of those.

Definitely

 

[Sempron Guy]

G.Skill Aegis 2x4GB DDR4 2400 cl15
OC: Running at 3066mhz cl16-15-16-34-50 1T
Asrock x370 Taichi 2.40 bios

prior to the update I could not boot past 2400mhz

 

[purecain]

new bios available 1401 https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?91766-Crosshair-VI-Hero-UEFI-build-1401

 

[the54thvoid]

new bios available 1401 https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?91766-Crosshair-VI-Hero-UEFI-build-1401

Beta of course, just to let folk know.

I'm not experiencing any issues so I'm sticking on my current BIOS (pre AGESA)

 

[trparky]

gigabyte aorus gaming 5

I heard somewhere that Gigabyte's QC went to hell at some point and to avoid them like the plague.

I was looking at several AsRock boards but without a dual-BIOS setup I'm kind of leery of buying them since you're one bad UEFI flash away from Bricksville, population... You. Why in God's name they didn't include dual-BIOS when other board makers have included it for years I have no idea. At least with a dual-BIOS setup if a bad flash did occur a couple of reboots of the board triggers the board to go into fail safe mode and copies the last known good UEFI from it into the working UEFI space to get the board to function again.

 

[EarthDog]

I didnt hear that about gigabyte...I feel like anything suggested someone can poke holes in it...so, grab what you want if you are going to do that.

Re: flashing... i guess, maybe, some boards work like that (i doubt it)??? Typically however, there are two bios chips. On some, higher end boards, there is a switch you can use to manually flip between bios'. On mainstream boards, it will just use the other flash...i dont think there is this copying to and fro thing you are talking about...its just there and used when there is a failure. You can put a bios on it, but no reindeer games of copying one to the other i a failure state, it just boots from the other.

 

[kurosagi01]

Not sure if its right place to post but..
I've been contemplating on upgrading to AMD ryzen 5 for awhile now..is it worth upgrading my system*see system specs*?
I mainly use it for watching anime,movies and occasionally play games but when i do play games i still like playing major titles and i also do android programming if necessary for work. Only reason i have contemplating on upgrading is because it fell behind on rise of tomb raider on max settings at 1080p which i don't know whether its down to bottleneck from the CPU or the GPU or both.
The setup i'm looking at is:
AMD ryzen 5 1600
MSI B350 tomahawk
2x(4GB)8GB Corsair DDR4 Vengeance LPX 3000mhz 15-17-17-35

I will be looking at upgrading the GPU too but i am waiting on what AMD vegas has to offer or get RX580,i will be sticking with 1080p resolution but i may look at getting 1440p 144hz monitor aswell in future.

 

[EarthDog]

Seems the cpu thread is being taken over by build help requests...

...best to start your own thread, imo...

 

[kurosagi01]

Seems the cpu thread is being taken over by build help requests...

...best to start your own thread, imo...

No worries earthdog

 

[purecain]

so I'm on the asus ch6 web site earlier today... they updated the bios and elmore posted it on a filesharing website that's banned in the uk. I used a vpn to dll the file. yet when I posted Initially to let them know I used acronyms like wtf and ffs. I then went back into what I had written seconds later and deleted the acronyms as I was coming off as passive aggressive.
anyway raja pipes up and starts telling me off for using acronyms of expletives even though I had immediately deleted them. he also added that we all jumped on the bandwagon and shouldn't expect any support or technical info. its lucky this guy isn't AMD as a whole because id never buy anything amd ever again. to correct him, we bought early because amd released them in supposedly working condition and we wanted to support AMD. or at least I did.
I especially don't appreciate being told I'm a follower for buying the chipset on release. how could I build a pc for a customer if I didn't know how long it would work before needing attention.
so another bios has arrived months after the last and it has introduced new bugs to my build. I sat with error c0 for a good hour. until I finally managed to get back into the bios.

So now we have memory companies making ram which conforms to the new standards.
the highest AMD bin is 3466mhz. so do not waste money on highly binned ram for this system. the dividers will never work. if the engineers at g.skill couldn't hit 3600mhz stable I doubt this is something we will be able to achieve.

I have some 3466mhz single sided b-die g.skill ddr4 on the way. it should be here in a few days and I will report if it also hits 3466mhz like my other gtzr 4000mhz dims.

 

[Cvrk]

 

[Aenra]

Guys i got confused.. spare me a trip to my cousin's or my dad's please ^^

Assuming an 1800X with 4 cores disabled, aka 4 - 0; how much L3 is available to me? Its entirety, or half?

(i'm asking in anticipation of R9s)

 

[toilet pepper]

I heard somewhere that Gigabyte's QC went to hell at some point and to avoid them like the plague.

I was looking at several AsRock boards but without a dual-BIOS setup I'm kind of leery of buying them since you're one bad UEFI flash away from Bricksville, population... You. Why in God's name they didn't include dual-BIOS when other board makers have included it for years I have no idea. At least with a dual-BIOS setup if a bad flash did occur a couple of reboots of the board triggers the board to go into fail safe mode and copies the last known good UEFI from it into the working UEFI space to get the board to function again.[/QUOTE

I haven't heard anything about GB boards having a problem with QC but those MSI VRMs are something I'm worried about. They cheaped out on the VRMs on their boards. It does not mean it ain't capable but cheapping out when yoi charge a premium just leaves a bad taste.

 

[Aenra]

I read that post @toilet pepper but to be honest?

- Too many Asus fanboys around in this place, not worth the effort even mentioning anything else.
- TParky (and honestly, 101% no offense to him) is a bit of an odd customer.. his comments are so often contradicting, or implying distinct, varied mentalities fused into the same one person, lol, that...

Have used the Gigabyte K7 twice, in two different rigs. Zero issues, zero hussle.
Cannot comment about cheaper mobos as i've got no experience, but what i can say?

AM4 is at best a $250 cost. At best. If people wanna be cheapskates, buy $150 mobos and then wonder or complain why they cannot do anything.. their fault, not mine. We're talking peanuts here, so employ some semblance of sense and stay on the safe side of things, especially since here at least, you can. Because cheap.
I know the K7 has the right switch on it (and it's the only Gigabyte mobo sporting said switch), i know it sports all the necessary tuning settings required for R7s.
(and yes, i've read the same complaints you all have)

- They do have an issue with BIOS updates, they are indeed slower than everyone else. So far this hasn't been an issue for me as i've never had to 'wait' for an update. Was O.K. as it was, K7 included.
- They do have a zero presense in online forums.

edit: however, their online support is quick.. i had need of it for my X99 mobo, both times i got a response within the next day (and i mean response, not the usual outsourced support stuff, being asked the basics three times over; they immediately replied with suggestions). Assuming a second reply was needed (was for me), subsequent replies were made within the same day.

post edit: When i had to conctact Asus, first time it took a week, second time? Bout three months now and still waiting.. cool company