AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition TDP and Pricing Revealed

[Aldain]

Forgot firepro was a thing. Vega will be positioned above the wx7100. 8100 and 9100 maybe?

It seems so , I would vaguer that this FE will be the fastest WS card RTG will offer , that is why it is pitted against the TXP BUT there is an small PR bull here , the TXP can do WS stuff BUT it cant use the quadro line drivers I think and as for gaming this card can use gaming drivers BUT it will not have any gaming performance optimization like the gaming RX Vega Raja said so himself..

p.s The 500 bucks difference between the AC and WC the WC edition better have some miracle of an AIO..

 

[Nokiron]

The fail is strong in your comment m8, vega FE is not a firepro card, firepro cards are the ones that are pitted against the nvidia Quadro cards... This card is for workstations...

So are quadros. They are workstation cards.
https://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-desktop-gpus.html

I'm fairly sure you also know the prices of those quadro you mention.

If we are comparing the Specviewperf-results a comparable Quadro (P4000) costs less then $900. The Polaris-based WX 7100 comes pretty close aswell and that's below $700.

 

[Aldain]

So are quadros. They are workstation cards.
https://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-desktop-gpus.html

Nvidia and AMD make a clear distinction between the fire pro and quadro line vs others

 

[Deleted member 172152]

It seems so , I would vaguer that this FE will be the fastest WS card RTG will offer , that is why it is pitted against the TXP BUT there is an small PR bull here , the TXP can do WS stuff BUT it cant use the quadro line drivers I think and as for gaming this card can use gaming drivers BUT it will not have any gaming performance optimization like the gaming RX Vega Raja said so himself..

p.s The 500 bucks difference between the AC and WC the WC edition better have some miracle of an AIO..

100-150 dollar AIO some higher clocks and that's it. 200 dollars worth in gaming terms, but gaming vega will be something like 600 dollars, not 1200, making it 400 bucks worth of stuff relatively and you have the added bonus of a safe oc to roughly AIB gaming speeds which is apparently worth another 200 dollars.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Dual GPU...

 

[Deleted member 172152]

So are quadros. They are workstation cards.
https://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-desktop-gpus.html

If we are comparing the Specviewperf-results a comparable Quadro (P4000) costs less then $900. The Polaris-based WX 7100 comes pretty close aswell and that's below $700.

If the wx7100 gets close, it's not a full-on pro card, but a prosumer or pro-prosumer card. I'm running out of terms at this point, but pro and firepro are two different lineups for different users.

 

[Nokiron]

Nvidia and AMD make a clear distinction between the fire pro and quadro line vs others

That's the problem. AMD does not, they have a really messy line-up at the moment that has to be fixed.

If the wx7100 gets close, it's not a full-on pro card, but a prosumer or pro-prosumer card. I'm running out of terms at this point, but pro and firepro are two different lineups for different users.

No. FirePro is slated for replacement by Radeon Pro.

Watters said FirePro will continue to be sold and will get support, but AMD will transition to the Radeon Pro and Radeon Pro WX cards for professional users.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3099...-radeon-pro-wx-series-to-replace-firepro.html

 

[X800]

Now when seen the pricing on this vega thing I'm glad that I bought the 1080.

 

[bonomork]

It's possible to run Vega FE with 8-pin and 6-pin PCIe power connectors, rather than the two 8-pin connectors that made it onto production boards for "extra headroom."

 

[Aldain]

Now when seen the pricing on this vega thing I'm glad that I bought the 1080.

This is not a gaming vega

 

[Estaric]

Just a question: why are they comparing an "enterprise segment" card (Vega Frontier edition) to a gaming card (Titan Xp)?

NVidia did a lot of marketing for the Pascal Titans to be deep learning cards a few reviewers like JayZtwocents made videos about this saying how Nvidia wouldn't give them a review sample due to them being ment for deep learning

 

[Boosnie]

If we are comparing the Specviewperf-results a comparable Quadro (P4000) costs less then $900. The Polaris-based WX 7100 comes pretty close aswell and that's below $700.

Can I see this VEGA Specviewperf result you compare against?

 

[Nokiron]

Can I see this VEGA Specviewperf result you compare against?

https://www.spec.org/gwpg/gpc.data/vp12.1/Fujitsu/CELSIUS_M740_E5-2699v4_P4000/resultHTML.html

 

[the54thvoid]

Well someone's going to buy it soon and it'll get benched too. Despite what will be said - it IS a Vega card but it will be treated differently once consumer Vega is out. So as soon as it's benched - we'll get agood idea about consumer Vega (as it's the same card).

 

[cdawall]

You know what's funny? They still haven't released vega.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Yep, this is a power hungry monster, let's hope it delivers. We have to wait for the consumer edition and see what TDP that has. Let the vega hype resume )

I have a suspicion that their "TDP" rating here is only for guiding overclocking. TDP =/= Power usage, and additionally there is NO WAY the Liquid-Cooled version uses 75w more than the aircooled version while running at the same clocks.


The only way it would use 20% more energy is if they clocked it 10%+ faster.

 

[Captain_Tom]

You know what's funny? They still haven't released vega.

 

[Boosnie]

https://www.spec.org/gwpg/gpc.data/vp12.1/Fujitsu/CELSIUS_M740_E5-2699v4_P4000/resultHTML.html

... I completely missed the image in the article.

I browsed the specviewperc db and I'm on your side with this. Something doesn't add up as they are selling a card that underperforms the competition to a much higher price.
Maybe is marketed for realtime workload.
IDK.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

Now when seen the pricing on this vega thing I'm glad that I bought the 1080.

Rx vega will be roughly half the price probably or less depending on the version, with some cheaper and some more expensive AIB's plus prices will drop a bit after a few weeks or even a single week since AMD now had time to get HBM2 supply and deliver to retailers.

... I completely missed the image in the article.

I browsed the specviewperc db and I'm on your side with this. Something doesn't add up as they are selling a card that underperforms the competition to a much higher price.
Maybe is marketed for realtime workload.
IDK.

Quadro and radeon pro have different purposes. Wx 8100 and 9100 (?!) vega cards will perform better, but for general prosumers the titan XP comparison is useful.

Well someone's going to buy it soon and it'll get benched too. Despite what will be said - it IS a Vega card but it will be treated differently once consumer Vega is out. So as soon as it's benched - we'll get agood idea about consumer Vega (as it's the same card).

But rx vega will be evenless workstation optimized, so probably less memory, higher clocks, less efficiency (?!) and maybe even rgb.

 

[xkm1948]

Inside RTG:

Engineer: Hey Raja, RX VEGA wont match 1080Ti performance unless we give it 240mm AIO and 400watt juice for a 2GHz core clock

Accountant: We can't sell them less than XXX dollars or it will not keep up with cost of HBM2.

Marketing: Shit we are swarmed with forum posts demanding for VEGA.


Raja: Alright let's slap the pro logo on this and call it a "professional card" Then we can hit three birds with one stone! 1). We can avoid talking about gaming performance because, duh, it is a PROFESSIONAL card! 2). We can sell it for a very high price to make the bean counters happy. 3). The community finally gets their VEGA. Besides, our loyal fanboys will shred any douters to pieces on forums.

Lisa Su(in her mind): You idiot pulled a Polaris on me and another shit show like this. You are so fired.

 

[Nokiron]

Quadro and radeon pro have different purposes. Wx 8100 and 9100 (?!) vega cards will perform better, but for general prosumers the titan XP comparison is useful.

No, they have the same purpose. That's why they are retiring FirePro. Titan XP is strictly for gaming and specialized compute (extreme hashcat anyone?), the comparsion is seriously halting.

Again, WX7100 performs almost as good as this while being a much weaker GPU.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

No, they have the same purpose. That's why they are retiring FirePro. Titan XP is strictly for gaming and specialized compute (extreme hashcat anyone?), the comparsion is seriously halting.

Again, WX7100 performs almost as good as this while being a much weaker GPU.

So it's a different type of gpu. Essentially it's kinda titan competition with some pro stuff thrown in, not actually an über-pro card or a gaming card. There has to be some strange other pro card at some point for a higher price that will have less compute power, but will perform better in specific pro stuff that will compete with quadro.

 

[I No]

I have a suspicion that their "TDP" rating here is only for guiding overclocking. TDP =/= Power usage, and additionally there is NO WAY the Liquid-Cooled version uses 75w more than the aircooled version while running at the same clocks.


The only way it would use 20% more energy is if they clocked it 10%+ faster.

Wait what? Posting a TDP rating for "guiding overclocking" really? Whatever the case may be this will suck more juice than anything nVidia has. Why do you think they insisted on HBM2 in the first place? Power draw however isn't the main concern here people are waiting on tests on this thing just to get a glimpse at the gaming version since that will have the clocks all bumped up (if they can be bumped up at least). Power draw aside nobody wants a jet engine furnace combo.

 

[xkm1948]

Overclockers' dream #2

Called it.

 

[EarthDog]

Overclockers' dream #2

Called it.

What?