Vega Frontier Ed Beats TITAN Xp in Compute, Formidable Game Performance: Preview

[btarunr]

PC World posted a preview of an AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition graphics card, and reported some interesting observations about the card ahead of its review NDA. The tech publication compared the air-cooled Pro Vega Frontier Edition against NVIDIA's fastest consumer graphics card, the TITAN Xp. It did reveal performance numbers of the two cards in two compute-heavy tests, SPECViewPerf 12.1 and Cinebench R15 (OpenGL test), where the Vega FE significantly outperforms the TITAN Xp. This shouldn't come as a shocker because AMD GPUs tend to have a strong footing with GPU compute performance, particularly with open standards.

It's PC World's comments on the Vega card's gaming performance that might pique your interest. In its report, the publication comments that the Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition offers gaming performance that is faster than NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 1080, but slightly slower than its GTX 1080 Ti graphics card. To back its statement, PC World claims to have run the Vega Frontier Edition and TITAN Xp in "Doom" with Vulkan API, "Prey" with DirectX 11, and "Sniper Elite 4" with DirectX 12. You must also take into account that the Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition could command a four-figure price, in the league of the TITAN Xp; and that gamers should look forward to the Radeon RX Vega series, bound for a late-July/early-August launch, at price-points more appropriate to their competitive positioning. The RX Vega is also expected to have 8 GB of memory compared to 16 GB on the Frontier Edition. Watch PC World's video presentation in the source link below.



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[the54thvoid]

Doom with Vulkan.
Prey (is DX11 anyway)
Sniper Elite DX12

Cherry. That's all.

However, not too long now, only another month and a bit. And a bit more. As mentioned too, AMD have been humping Nvidia in compute for ages now on their gaming based cards. But to be realistic, I don't use compute to game.

 

[MuhammedAbdo]

This is bad, Vega FE using pro workstation drivers is seriously behind the NVIDIA Quadro line with workstation drivers. Vega FE might be faster than TitanXp. but this one has no pro drivers. This is not a fair comparison at all.

 

[Exceededgoku]

Whatever happens, whether it is for miners or gamers... Everyone will be happy! Even if it's not as powerful as the latest and greatest from the green camp, ANY competition is better than this blackhole...

 

[KainXS]

I can only guess they did not have any Pascal Quadro cards at the moment but then again AMD could have brought one but it might have made them look bad. Compared to even the WX 7100 though its not very impressive really.

 

[T1beriu]

Formidable Game Performance

TPU 100% clickbait, fighting to dethrone w-junk-tech,

 

[phanbuey]

This is bad, Vega FE using pro workstation drivers is seriously behind the NVIDIA Quadro line with workstation drivers. Vega FE might be faster than TitanXp. but this one has no pro drivers. This is not a fair comparison at all.

yep... great point re: the drivers :/

the fact that there is such a lack of hype from AMD is usually not a good thing. If it was faster than a titanXP or a 1080ti there would be a ton of "benchdemos" by AMD prior to release.

Still it's going to be a welcome card for those with Freesync monitors or looking to upgrade from their current 580/480 setups.

 

[punani]

Read an article over at sweclockers that Vega is very powerhungry, as stated by some MSI marketing dude over at tweakers.net. Doesn't bode well for the red team..

 

[I No]

The FE is in an odd place. Not really a professional card not a gaming card... Limbo all the way. Worse parts are it's expensive AF a professional user won't touch this since there are cheaper (and better) alternatives. As from a gamer's perspective would you drop your 1080/1080ti or Titan for this? AMD is late to the party, unless they are willing to sell these for cheap. I really don't see a lot of marketshare to be gained from these. But since they are AMD released benches grain of salt all the way....

 

[the54thvoid]

This is bad, Vega FE using pro workstation drivers is seriously behind the NVIDIA Quadro line with workstation drivers. Vega FE might be faster than TitanXp. but this one has no pro drivers. This is not a fair comparison at all.

Here are the Quadro results.

Even the Maxwell based card beats this in compute. So on hardware level, the pro drivers make Maxwell better than Vega. Obviously the 6000 range is teh Gx100 (or GX200) core but either way, this M6000 has only got 3072 core count (1000 less than VEGA).

Not sure what RTG are getting at. Titan x/p/xp ali-docious has always been a stupidly expensive gaming card with a limited appeal for compute. We all know that. If you want to show your compute prowess, use the M125 card, not Vega FE. I assume RTG feel the FE is the same as the Titan (i.e. a rip off for the consumer), if so, welcome to the club RTG/AMD, you're about to piss off your fans.

You folks do understand now don't you? This is AMD's Titan card. And they'll charge you for it heavily, just like Nvidia do. So, do we expect all those who vehemently denegrated Nvidia for their pricing are going to come out and have a shot at AMD???

The black shoe called pot is on the other kettle foot now. Or something.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Read an article over at sweclockers that Vega is very powerhungry, as stated by some MSI marketing dude over at tweakers.net. Doesn't bode well for the red team..

ermmm that has nothing to do with anything in this article... and again, tdp is not the same as actual power consumption.
If I put 10 8-pin connectors on an RX480 the TPD will be through the roof, consumption however stays the same.

but yeah, stop posting unrelated stuff.

 

[Frick]

The main takeaway is that "TITAN Xp" is a truly terrible name for a card. The non-capital "p" is an abomination unto language.

 

[punani]

ermmm that has nothing to do with anything in this article... and again, tdp is not the same as actual power consumption.
If I put 10 8-pin connectors on an RX480 the TPD will be through the roof, consumption however stays the same.

but yeah, stop posting unrelated stuff.

dude.... article is vega FE vs Titan, and my post is was vega FE vs titan. And they do most likely not set TDP that high for no reason.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

Doom with Vulkan.
Prey (is DX11 anyway)
Sniper Elite DX12

Cherry. That's all.

However, not too long now, only another month and a bit. And a bit more. As mentioned too, AMD have been humping Nvidia in compute for ages now on their gaming based cards. But to be realistic, I don't use compute to game.

Still just the FE though with lower clocks and non-gaming stuff.

Btw, prey is neither nvidia nor AMD optimized from the benches I've seen, so that's the perfect benchmark really considering most will play about half nvidia favouring titles and half AMD favouring titles right now and in the future more dx12 (aka vega favouring titles) wilm be released as well, so in the future it will get a slight boost over pascal.

Let's wait for rx vega results before drawing any final conclusions, but faster than a 1080 is good enough for me!

 

[ZoneDymo]

dude.... article is vega FE vs Titan, and my post is was vega FE vs titan. And they do most likely not set TDP that high for no reason.

The comparison is a lot more specific then just card vs card.
Its about specific benchmark results.
If you would have said something like "well should the TDP be an indication of actual power consumption, then this..."victory" is really not all that impressive" then sure.
But you just say "hey it uses a lot of power, its not looking good" which is just in no way linked to this comparison at all.

 

[INSTG8R]

Still just the FE though with lower clocks and non-gaming stuff.

Btw, prey is neither nvidia nor AMD optimized from the benches I've seen, so that's the perfect benchmark really considering most will play about half nvidia favouring titles and half AMD favouring titles right now and in the future more dx12 (aka vega favouring titles) wilm be released as well, so in the future it will get a slight boost over pascal.

Let's wait for rx vega results before drawing any final conclusions, but faster than a 1080 is good enough for me!

Prey is an "AMD Title" as is SE4 but there is no bias in it so not wrong there.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

Prey is an "AMD Title" as is SE4 but there is no bias in it so not wrong there.

That's what I meant. Rx 580 is about as good as a 1060 and in prey they perform about the same, so no bias there at all. Undervaluating a rx 580 if anything considering the large amount of dx12 games being released recently and in the not too distant future, so it should keep all parties happy. Just bench prey with 1080 ti and rx vega and be done with it! We want results!

 

[GhostRyder]

Very slight amount of relief, but its only a slight amount because AMD has for the longest time had way better compute against the gaming cards from nVidia (Including the Titan line up). Being that this is a professional card though that should not shock anyone because the pro cards have better compute (Not to mention nVidias pro lineup is better compute wise so this becomes irrelevant). The thing that matters is the gaming performance at the end, hopefully it can measure up since it definitely won't in power consumption.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

This is bad, Vega FE using pro workstation drivers is seriously behind the NVIDIA Quadro line with workstation drivers. Vega FE might be faster than TitanXp. but this one has no pro drivers. This is not a fair comparison at all.

About the same price though. Great for professional use on a budget! AMD isn't targeting high-end professional stuff anyway since they don't have much HPC(?!) or AI stuff like tesla's and the price is so low, they can't seriously be trying to compete with quadros. Vega FE will be for general purpose workstation stuff, nothing specialized. O, and the titan Xp is hardly a gaming card either. It's meant for the same stuff vega FE is, but it's more gaming optimized. Really depends on your usecase if you should get vega FE or a titan Xp. Generic workstation with generic software? Vega FE. Gaming and/or nvidia/budget AI stuff? Titan Xp. Seems simple enough to me.

Neither the titan Xp, nor vega FE are meant for specialized pro stuff btw. Wx7100 or low-end quadros might beat them there.

 

[qubit]

So, AMD is slightly behind NVIDIA in GPU performance like it's slightly behind Intel in CPU performance. Well, it's a start I guess.

I want the days of leapfrogging back, then we'll see new stuff at the same or cheaper prices than the current stuff. Can't wait.

 

[ZoneDymo]

So, AMD is slightly behind NVIDIA in GPU performance like it's slightly behind Intel in CPU performance. Well, it's a start I guess.

I want the days of leapfrogging back, then we'll see new stuff at the same or cheaper prices than the current stuff. Can't wait.

Well if we all invest a little in AMD, that might just happen

 

[qubit]

Well if we all invest a little in AMD, that might just happen

Don't forget it's up to them to prove to us, not us to have faith in them or make excuses for them.

Think about it, if they make fantastic sales by not being quite as good as their competition, then what's to motivate them to beat their competition?

 

[the54thvoid]

Still just the FE though with lower clocks and non-gaming stuff.

Btw, prey is neither nvidia nor AMD optimized from the benches I've seen, so that's the perfect benchmark really considering most will play about half nvidia favouring titles and half AMD favouring titles right now and in the future more dx12 (aka vega favouring titles) wilm be released as well, so in the future it will get a slight boost over pascal.

Let's wait for rx vega results before drawing any final conclusions, but faster than a 1080 is good enough for me!

Prey is absolutely optimised for both Ryzen and AMD GCN (so best case scenario for a DX11 game, that's why it was used because AMD still lag behind in DX11)- that is the plan with Bethesda going forward with AMD, FWIW, the intro sequences let you know its an AMD game (and a bloody good one too).

Well if we all invest a little in AMD, that might just happen

I did - I bought a Ryzen 1700X. It's a superb chip for the money.

 

[MuhammedAbdo]

Funny thing is, AMD compares it's Vega FE to Quadro price wise, even though an 800$ Quadro P4000 wipes the floor with Vega FE. Another funny thing, AMD displaying fps on Vega demos a year ago with Doom and Battlefront demos, and then Sniper Elite 4 fps on Vega FE, but suddenly when TitanXP is in the room fps counters are gone! Yeah total product confidence alright!

 

[looncraz]

"In its report, the publication comments that the Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition offers gaming performance that is faster than NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 1080, but slightly slower than its GTX 1080 Ti graphics card."

When/where did they say that? Because I didn't hear nor read such a statement.