AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition Unboxed, Benchmarked

PerfectWave · Jun 29, 2017

why some ppl test this card at 1080p? Also for non gaming app? Really really...

EarthDog · Jun 29, 2017

The longer the thread, the less clue seems to populate it...

xkm1948 · Jun 29, 2017

EarthDog said:
The longer the thread, the less clue seems to populate it...

I have given up discussion in this thread already. Mosylt people already have their own version of Vega image established in their head. We are not here looking for different arguments for the sake of facts. Most of us are here looking for echo chambers to justify our own beliefs.

Prima.Vera · Jun 29, 2017

This starts to look more and more like the 3DFx Voodoo5 5500 story. Now AMD on the same position.
Is funny that people are still not learning from past mistakes...

phanbuey · Jun 29, 2017

looks close to stock 1080 performance in dx12 - that timespy score is good.

iO · Jun 29, 2017

The driver might run in some kind of fallback mode as it doesnt look like any of the architectual advancements work at all and it performs 30-40% faster than a Fury which conspicuously lines up with the higher clocks...

ironcerealbox · Jun 29, 2017

Between this article and the one from late summer/early autumn of 2015 (https://www.techpowerup.com/215776/amd-radeon-r9-nano-review-by-tpu-not):

rtwjunkie · Jun 29, 2017

Unsubbed. I'll wait for RX release. Until then it's just more arguments based on speculation.

mat9v · Jun 29, 2017

How is 7120p in the ballpark of stock 1080.
Look for 4790k (his CPU) and 1080 in TimeSpy results. His score corresponds most closely to 4790K@4Ghz and 1080@1850-2000Mhz

efikkan · Jun 29, 2017

Aaah, the AMD product cycle strikes again:
"It's going to be the best thing ever" -> denial -> "it's actually better, you just don't see it because of missing optimizations."
So we are moving into phase two…

qubit said:
Maybe in another couple of generations AMD will catch up, but I'm not holding my breath.

They are not catching up, they are falling behind, so until Nvidia slows down they wouldn't.
Vega was supposed to compete with Pascal, but Pascal is nearing the end of it's life cycle before it even arrives (so AMD is >~0.6 cycles behind). Next year Nvidia will launch consumer Volta, while AMD's counterpart Navi is slipping into 2019…

qubit · Jun 29, 2017

efikkan said:
Aaah, the AMD product cycle strikes again:
"It's going to be the best thing ever" -> denial -> "it's actually better, you just don't see it because of missing optimizations."
So we are moving into phase two…

They are not catching up, they are falling behind, so until Nvidia slows down they wouldn't.
Vega was supposed to compete with Pascal, but Pascal is nearing the end of it's life cycle before it even arrives (so AMD is >~0.6 cycles behind). Next year Nvidia will launch consumer Volta, while AMD's counterpart Navi is slipping into 2019…

Yeah that sounds about right, I was just trying to be optimistic. :ohwell:

I don't get why some people end up trying to defend a big, for-profit company that's letting everyone down with substandard products and dodgy hype (eg Vega FE v Titan Xp) by flaming us with incoherent rants instead of flaming AMD. It's just weird. :kookoo:

Some seem to think it's up to us to buy their products regardless to help fund their R&D for better products. That's pretty flawed thinking, because if AMD made lots of money by selling worse products, then they don't have any motivation to spend their profits on R&D for making better products. Worse, the competition will see this and might wonder why they're spending so much money, time and effort into better products when they don't need to in order to make a decent profit. This could potentially start a trend for race to the bottom. So no, don't buy AMD's products to "help fund R&D", because it won't work and you'll have wasted your money on inferior products.

xkm1948 · Jun 29, 2017

qubit said:
Yeah that sounds about right, I was just trying to be optimistic.

I don't get why some people end up trying to defend a big, for-profit company that's letting everyone down with substandard products and dodgy hype (eg Vega FE v Titan Xp) by flaming us with incoherent rants instead of flaming AMD. It's just weird.

Some seem to think it's up to us to buy their products regardless to help fund their R&D for better products. That's pretty flawed thinking, because if AMD made lots of money by selling worse products, then they don't have any motivation to spend their profits on R&D for making better products. Worse, the competition will see this and might wonder why they're spending so much money, time and effort into better products when they don't need to in order to make a decent profit. This could potentially start a trend for race to the bottom. So no, don't buy AMD's products to "help fund R&D", because it won't work and you'll have wasted your money on inferior products.

The denial from emotionally invested people is strong. I fully understand. Once someone is emotionally invested in something they feel the obligation to defend it no matter what that thing actually is. The discussion is already useless here. People have resorted to personal attacks, which is one of the lowest form of arguing, starting from the first several pages.

We are all fully grown ass adults. So basically the chance of one persuading another to abandon his/her stance on the matter is quite slim.

AMD is charging $999 for their card, someone bought it and tested it, he posted the results. End of story. Annnd unsubscribed as well. Nothing useful is coming out of this thread now(for me).

Th3pwn3r · Jun 29, 2017

Good

xkm1948 said:
The denial from emotionally invested people is strong. I fully understand. Once someone is emotionally invested in something they feel the obligation to defend it no matter what that thing actually is. The discussion is already useless here. People have resorted to personal attacks, which is one of the lowest form of arguing, starting from the first several pages.

We are all fully grown ass adults. So basically the chance of one persuading another to abandon his/her stance on the matter is quite slim.

AMD is charging $999 for their card, someone bought it and tested it, he posted the results. End of story. Annnd unsubscribed as well. Nothing useful is coming out of this thread now(for me).

Good riddance, you are biased like most others anyways. No need for your input anyhow.

erocker · Jun 29, 2017

Prima.Vera said:
This starts to look more and more like the 3DFx Voodoo5 5500 story. Now AMD on the same position.
Is funny that people are still not learning from past mistakes...

I don't see Nvidia buying AMD and making them disappear like what happened after that card came out.

S@LEM! · Jun 29, 2017

you had only one job..

**** you Raja Koduri!

KainXS · Jun 29, 2017

Thread went down the toilet

eidairaman1 · Jun 29, 2017

, Yup all the hatred and Bias

KainXS said:
Thread went down the toilet

DeathtoGnomes · Jun 30, 2017

EarthDog said:
The longer the thread, the less clue seems to populate it...

yep called it...

fullinfusion · Jun 30, 2017

R-T-B said:
I'm sorry, but I'm pretty skeptical that that's what's going on here, or even was in your case. Low voltages / under delivered power don't cause low benchmarks, they cause instabilities, crashes, or even hardware damage. Most likely outcome of overloading a PSU is actually a hard shutdown, as it won't "not get enough juice." PSU's are a pull technology, they will attempt to deliver the requested wattage, or if built well, shutdown when unable. Whether they do it with acceptable ripple or without an electrical fire is another matter.

Here check this out , it kinda validates my problem to a point..

eidairaman1 · Jun 30, 2017

fullinfusion said:
Here check this out , it kinda validates my problem to a point..

Seen others swap them to resolve issues, especially when defective from brand new

Arjai · Jun 30, 2017

I don't have clue about any of this. AND, I just read thru 8 pages of this thread.

Somehow, I learned nothing about these cards. But, I did learn some things about the cards in this thread.

Not real happy about either.

Th3pwn3r · Jun 30, 2017

eidairaman1 said:
Seen others swap them to resolve issues, especially when defective from brand new

I really don't think that's the 'problem' here.

Expectations are the problem. Some just don't understand what this card is supposed to do for one...

TheGuruStud · Jun 30, 2017

It is using barely modified Fiji drivers from January lol (package is new but same 'ol drivers). The novideo fans are squirming.

uuuaaaaaa · Jul 26, 2017

TheGuruStud said:
It is using barely modified Fiji drivers from January lol (package is new but same 'ol drivers). The novideo fans are squirming.

Terry Makedon‏ @CatalystMaker
I sense a BIG day for Radeon Software tomorrow. Cant wait to let the cat out of the bag......

https://twitter.com/CatalystMaker/status/889946633575780352

EarthDog · Jul 26, 2017

fullinfusion said:
Here check this out , it kinda validates my problem to a point..

So, a difference of 1%(by score - less than 1% in FPS) in one test? That could have been just from rebooting. I'd like to see a lot more testing, but, from what i know, its simply off or on. it gets enough voltage and it works or doesn't and craps out.

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AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition Unboxed, Benchmarked

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