Intel Says AMD EPYC Processors "Glued-together" in Official Slide Deck

[Melvis]

Be interesting to see if AMD responds to this.

 

[cdawall]

this guy, has really good opinion.. deleted for some reason, but somebody already ss it..


overall, as a customer can not more really happy how great the competition today.


But, seriously.. "glued" ? , so ridicoulus.. can intel proofing it ?

AMD did the same thing after calling intel's cores fake as well...Same genre as real men have their own fabs quip from AMD.

 

[Mattfucj]

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[Dave65]

What is that BS about gaming power consumption of Ryzen??? Of course it has lower power consumption because of the limits of the Ryzen architecture it can't be properly utilized and provides sub par performance to an "only" 4 core chip...Actually Ryzen's single core performance is sh..t and a lot of applications still relies on lightly threaded performance where high single core performance is needed. Overclockability of Ryzen is mostly presented as 4 GHz as a matter of course, but that's not the case, lot of Ryzens are really rubbish binned and some can't even do 3.8 GHz.

Damn dude, are you really that desperate, I am surprised you didn't write under that bullshit you just spouted that say's:
This is a payed advertisement for Intel!

 

[NGreediaOrAMSlow]

Intel found AMD secret

Infinity Fabric = Gorilla Super Glue

Actually who cares what they use as long it works. And for the looks and reviews is working more than fine.

 

[thesmokingman]

Intel are probably kicking themselves now after releasing that knee jerk slide deck.

 

[Mattfucj]

plus at least with AMD its connected on one die, to get 32 cores on a intel server you would need 2 physical sockets. that's not even as good as 'glue'

FYI ryzen's power consumption really is as good as they say, I went from a 4770K to a 8 core ryzen (4ghz) and my performance doubled in most things I do, which is about on track since a zen core is extremely close to a haswell core, but the beyond amazing thing is my power draw is the same, actually a bit lower, Haswell was 115watts, zen is 118watts, total system draw (checked on ups) when maxed out on haswell 320w total system draw with ryzen 320w, but I'm rendering 2.2x as fast!! I'm a beliber.

 

[cdawall]

Damn dude, are you really that desperate, I am surprised you didn't write under that bullshit you just spouted that say's:
This is a payed advertisement for Intel!

I mean he isn't wrong. Ryzen is clocked lower than the quad core Intel offerings, the amd power management tools when only 4 cores are operating under load are quite good. I mean it makes perfect sense for it to not only perform worse, but use less power while doing so

 

[laszlo]

all i can say ..... AMD what kind of glue are you using because seems good; can i have from it?

 

[Rahmat Sofyan]

AMD did the same thing after calling intel's cores fake as well...Same genre as real men have their own fabs quip from AMD.

Which cores ?


Any source sir ?


AFAIK AMD being sued for the fake bulldozer cores in the past by their own investors...

 

[cdawall]

Which cores ?


Any source sir ?


AFAIK AMD being sued for the fake bulldozer cores in the past by their own investors...

Absolutely, some of you so easily forget Jerry Sanders.

The two first took on Intel's marketing, particularly on its material that said that the slowest Nehalem Xeon chip was faster than the fastest Opteron chip, saying that Intel's statements weren't backed by real figures. The two also alleged that Intel's server platform was too expensive and delivered lesser value in a ailing state of the economy. Perhaps the most audacious statement from AMD since the somewhat famous "only real men have fabs" statement by Jerry Sanders III, came from this interview, where AMD responded to a question on HyperThreading saying that "real men use real cores". "We’ve got real cores across our products. HyperThreading is basically designed to act like a core except that it only gives 10 to 15 percent performance bump for real applications workload." they said. Is AMD making a real point, or fighting fire...erm marketing with marketing? Find out in this interview.

https://www.techpowerup.com/92485/real-men-use-real-cores-amd

Source is none other than TPU.

 

[ratirt]

Intel is losing it's COOL if you know what I mean

 

[notb]

Reading a text like this, I always miss the times when we had magazines instead of web pages. You know... journalists most of the time had education, background, good taste and... genteelness.

This text is so aggresive and coarse, that if one of us wrote it on the TPU forum, it could be easily moderated.
Yet, there it is - in the news section of a renowned PC website. Why is this happening?

 

[Caelestis]

It gets better and better with Intel. Their 12k marketing was already over the top but this is getting ridiculous.....

 

[ratirt]

Reading a text like this, I always miss the times when we had magazines instead of web pages. You know... journalists most of the time had education, background, good taste and... genteelness.

This text is so aggresive and coarse, that if one of us wrote it on the TPU forum, it could be easily moderated.
Yet, there it is - in the news section of a renowned PC website. Why is this happening?

Magazines are still there available for you to read. Not sure what you are after here then.

It gets better and better with Intel. Their 12k marketing was already over the top but this is getting ridiculous.....

12k is now 3x4k nice

 

[Vayra86]

Reading a text like this, I always miss the times when we had magazines instead of web pages. You know... journalists most of the time had education, background, good taste and... genteelness.

This text is so aggresive and coarse, that if one of us wrote it on the TPU forum, it could be easily moderated.
Yet, there it is - in the news section of a renowned PC website. Why is this happening?

So we can get the popcorn out and enjoy this.

 

[Aquinus]

AFAIK AMD being sued for the fake bulldozer cores in the past by their own investors...

It was a class action and the lawsuit was dropped.

 

[psyph3r]

its "Ryzen PRO"

That's not even version 2, that's just better quality processors with extra security features. Ryzen 2 and 3 are set for consecutive launches year to year.

 

[Rahmat Sofyan]

Absolutely, some of you so easily forget Jerry Sanders.



https://www.techpowerup.com/92485/real-men-use-real-cores-amd

Source is none other than TPU.

Absolutely, some of you so easily forget Jerry Sanders.



https://www.techpowerup.com/92485/real-men-use-real-cores-amd

Source is none other than TPU.

Hmmm, ok..
But nothing wrong with his statements I guess, HT indeed not a true core, CMMIIW.. where is the problem?

But when intel said EPYC was "glued", how come ?

It was a class action and the lawsuit was dropped.

Yup, rogerthat ..

 

[cdawall]

Hmmm, ok..
But nothing wrong with his statements I guess, HT indeed not a true core, CMMIIW.. where is the problem?

But when intel said EPYC was "glued", how come ?



Yup, rogerthat ..

They made an entire marketing campaign about that as well. Phenom was labelled the first heterogeneous quad core and c2q was called glued together by amd. None of this is new. Amd is far from innocent in marketing land.

 

[Rahmat Sofyan]

They made an entire marketing campaign about that as well. Phenom was labelled the first heterogeneous quad core and c2q was called glued together by amd. None of this is new. Amd is far from innocent in marketing land.

Affirmative

 

[Patriot]

plus at least with AMD its connected on one die, to get 32 cores on a intel server you would need 2 physical sockets. that's not even as good as 'glue'

Aye, and if you look at Anand's review .... Are you using the gold 5xxx glue with 2 inter socket links or the Gold 6xx glue with 3 links?

The artificial segmentation is disgusting.

 

[wiyosaya]

I am not sticking up for Intel, but there was a time when AMD was doing something similar with the fact that their processors had real hardware cores instead of hyperthreads.

At the time, it was AMD trying to fight chipzilla.

For Intel to engage in similar tactics at this time implies that they are worried about the possibility that the competition will seriously butcher their cash cow - the enterprise/server/hpc market which Intel has been able to dominate for many years.

 

[notb]

The artificial segmentation is disgusting.

What's wrong with it?

 

[Patriot]

What's wrong with it?

Limiting memory support for lower core counts. Killing off pcie lanes on lower core count.
Killing off "QPI" links on even 5xxx gold chips, killing off 1FMA AVX and limiting memory speed.
Not every workload requires 28 cores, but forcing you to buy 13k chip when a 2k one is best for your workload if they didn't artificially castrate it.
They are milking the industry.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11544/intel-skylake-ep-vs-amd-epyc-7000-cpu-battle-of-the-decade/7
Check out the pricing structure.
If you want more ram, you pay for that, if you want higher ram speed you pay for that, if you want more interconnects, you pay for that.

Then you have AMD's....
If you want more cores, you pay for that. Top chip is 4k at 32c/64t.
Only want a single socket board, well we will sell you a 32c/64t chip for that too at half the price. But it still has 128 pcie lanes, 8 channels of ram at full frequency and all the features enabled through the whole line.
Use it as you see fit.