Liquid Cooled AMD Radeon Vega Frontier Edition Now on Sale for $1,489.99

[EarthDog]

If they'll forever look at everything short term, they'll remain this peasant nobody. If they look long term and care about short term, they might get somewhere.

This part I agree with... and is essence, is what I am saying. The first part I deleted, No. I dont agree they are in that position yet. So far, they have shown where it counts to look too far ahead and things don't pan out.

 

[RejZoR]

They are not in the position yet, I agree. But looking at what they are doing and what they have achieved so far, they are on a good path for a successful long term.

 

[the54thvoid]

They lost the smallest console player. besides, Nintendo was never "POWAH" player so it's even less relevant for them even though every extra market share counts.

Point being, AMD lost it to Nvidia. How long before possible efficiency and DX12 compliance shifts focus to Nvidia? Though tbh, it's long been suggested Nvidia chose not to sell to consoles as profit margin was far too low for them.

 

[EarthDog]

They are not in the position yet, I agree. But looking at what they are doing and what they have achieved so far, they are on a good path for a successful long term.

until nvidia is right up there with them and intel again in a gen or two (couple years)?

Im not holding my breath for this payoff...but sure do hope im wrong.

 

[RealNeil]

Meh,....I just got a pair of 1080 FE cards for 800 bucks and a pair of 1070 G1-Gaming cards for 575. I'm good for now.
Prices are always way too high at first.

Bleeding edge?

 

[cdawall]

I love the betting on the "card if tomorrow" nonsense. I'm sorry the fury still is at a loss to an overclocked 980ti, the 290X/390x is good at nothing other than producing heat. If you consider either of those cards as acceptable in 4k you haven't used them.

Yes AMD cards seem to age better, but when you release the entire lifespan of the card terrible drivers with mediocre performance improvement it had better. The entire time you own the card it performs worse until two years later when most people upgrade then its even...that's not a good thing.

I'm sorry amd is still sucking up a second place spot. Ryzen's platform is still buggy as hell, IPC equals haswell while multithreading equals skylake and clockspeeds trail sandybridge. The new vega fe stuff is half ass workstation wishful thinking cards bandaided through benchmarks by a broken driver and the dreams of those that waited for release. The rx vega stuff better at least best the 480 in power to performance or we will be looking at some dinosaur tech with pumped clocks and tdp just like the last 5 big performers from AMD.

 

[RejZoR]

R9 290X only good at producing heat. So much right, that they could afford to just rename it and compete with back then brand new spanking GTX 980. You can't exactly call something useless when it was so good you can rename it and compete against competitor's all new generation. Sure, it was hotter, but the fact is, they could afford it as performance was there. But do pretend that didn't actually happen...

 

[cdawall]

R9 290X only good at producing heat. So much right, that they could afford to just rename it and compete with back then brand new spanking GTX 980. You can't exactly call something useless when it was so good you can rename it and compete against competitor's all new generation. Sure, it was hotter, but the fact is, they could afford it as performance was there. But do pretend that didn't actually happen...

It consumed quite literally twice as much power as the 980. I also don't mean then I mean now. This aging thing is what I was referencing. You however missed the entire point of the post and chose to nitpick. Guess what I have had several 290(x)/390(x) in tue past and recent. I played games on them, they were hot, load and it got oh so much worse in crossfire. Best thing I ever did was sell them. I still have one 390 sitting around that needs an rma. Fan failure.

Take the blinders off and look around. We are talking about a series that has a broken driver, consumes more power than TWO 1070's and barely edges out one. Your posts are a damn joke.

 

[RejZoR]

Yeah, but it's like 1 year older... That's like saying, McLaren F1 LM is garbage because it's 22 years old and not even nearly as efficient as fiddly turbocharged supercars of today. And yet, it easily takes on and beats 3/4 of modern supercars. Inconvenient truth I guess.

 

[BiggieShady]

broken driver, consumes more power than TWO 1070's and barely edges out one.

Yeah, but it's like 1 year older...

Did you mean by this that 1070 is 1 year older than Vega?

 

[RejZoR]

No, R9 290X compared to GTX 980...

 

[Vayra86]

No, R9 290X compared to GTX 980...

When it wasn't older it also ran 12 degrees C hotter than its competitor for the same performance levels... Up to the point where the only sensible air-cooled 290x was the Sapphire Tri-X, the rest was garbage - it just ran too hot, had improperly scaled cooling from the AIBs, released with a shitty driver that choked performance AND still pushed the card to 95 C.

Back then the excuse was 'it's fine, AMD GPUs can run hotter than Nvidia's, they always do'. Should have seen the amount of people that bought the stock versions and put them up for sale no more than a few weeks after that, it was crazy. And that wasn't just mining cards either. Hawaii was so shit, even YOU bought a 980.

Following that miserable display, AMD took its time to rebrand the same expensive, large chip and sell it off again for a lower price (great business strategy, similar to Pitcairn which was re-used what, 4 times?). You tell us 'look how good it is, they can use it twice'. But all I see is a super inefficient design that gets re-used because there simply isn't any TDP budget left to scale it up further.

Hence Fury X was born. And we know how that panned out. Overpriced HBM that requires a separate driver branch as well, stretching AMDs resources further. And, to top it all off, they release it with a crappy AIO and a high speed fan, making the water cooled halo card noisier than its direct competitor, directly after Hawaii's launch issues. It's so bizarre, you couldn't make it up yourself.

 

[EarthDog]

440w and competes with a 1080... better hope drivers pull 20% out of its hat with those numbers..

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ga-frontier-edition-power-draw-tested.235266/

 

[uuuaaaaaa]

When it wasn't older it also ran 12 degrees C hotter than its competitor for the same performance levels... Up to the point where the only sensible air-cooled 290x was the Sapphire Tri-X, the rest was garbage - it just ran too hot, had improperly scaled cooling from the AIBs, released with a shitty driver that choked performance AND still pushed the card to 95 C.

Back then the excuse was 'it's fine, AMD GPUs can run hotter than Nvidia's, they always do'. Should have seen the amount of people that bought the stock versions and put them up for sale no more than a few weeks after that, it was crazy. And that wasn't just mining cards either. Hawaii was so shit, even YOU bought a 980.

Following that miserable display, AMD took its time to rebrand the same expensive, large chip and sell it off again for a lower price (great business strategy, similar to Pitcairn which was re-used what, 4 times?). You tell us 'look how good it is, they can use it twice'. But all I see is a super inefficient design that gets re-used because there simply isn't any TDP budget left to scale it up further.

Hence Fury X was born. And we know how that panned out. Overpriced HBM that requires a separate driver branch as well, stretching AMDs resources further. And, to top it all off, they release it with a crappy AIO and a high speed fan, making the water cooled halo card noisier than its direct competitor, directly after Hawaii's launch issues. It's so bizarre, you couldn't make it up yourself.

Pitcairn "The Immortal" is glorious!

 

[Fluffmeister]

440w and competes with a 1080... better hope drivers pull 20% out of its hat with those numbers..

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ga-frontier-edition-power-draw-tested.235266/

Using that much power it should blow the 1080 Ti out of the water!

Still, we most all keep waiting for the mighty Vega.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

440w and competes with a 1080... better hope drivers pull 20% out of its hat with those numbers..

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ga-frontier-edition-power-draw-tested.235266/

If it really pulls that much juice it'll have to be bundled with a kilowatt powersupply and phase change cooler

Even though I have a Corsair AXI 1kw psu, I sure don't want all that extra heat in my room. We'll see what happens, I unlike Rej won't make a choice and then go back on it. I may buy a Vega card, may end up with another 1080 or 1080ti.

 

[cdawall]

440w and competes with a 1080... better hope drivers pull 20% out of its hat with those numbers..

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ga-frontier-edition-power-draw-tested.235266/

Why I can just barely underTDP my 1080Ti's and double it's performance across two cards.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

Why I can just barely underTDP my 1080Ti's and double it's performance across two cards.

And can you imagine what you have to do for cooling that thing? Sure there are fans but the footprint is limited. Meaning, if you have 500 watts being pulled from TWO cards the area you have to cool them is also far greater. Trying to cool a single card drawing 4-500 watts in the space of a single card or so...with half the fans, definitely not good. Gonna need some industrial Sunons on the thing running at 5k rpm -_-

 

[cdawall]

And can you imagine what you have to do for cooling that thing? Sure there are fans but the footprint is limited. Meaning, if you have 500 watts being pulled from TWO cards the area you have to cool them is also far greater. Trying to cool a single card drawing 4-500 watts in the space of a single card or so...with half the fans, definitely not good. Gonna need some industrial Sunons on the thing running at 5k rpm -_-

Or an AIO...

 

[Th3pwn3r]

Even an AIO requires space. Also, an AIO also needs to have its radiator cooled by a fan or fans. Just because you can put an AIO with GPU doesn't mean it won't be noisy or require a lot of space that you may not even have.

 

[cdawall]

Even an AIO requires space. Also, an AIO also needs to have its radiator cooled by a fan or fans. Just because you can put an AIO with GPU doesn't mean it won't be noisy or require a lot of space that you may not even have.

Yes, but it is easy to move the heat outside of the single slot issue area. 440w could quite easily be dissipated by high FPI 240mm rad, the single 120mm leads to issues like you mentioned hence the complaints behind the 295X2

 

[Th3pwn3r]

Right but if you already have a radiator installed you might have a bit more work ahead of you moving things.