Intel Readies Four 6-core "Coffee Lake" SKUs, Including Two Core i5

[Deleted member 172152]

Right but that i7 is labeled as a 65 Watt TDP CPU, not 95 Watt, that's my point....

Tdp is BS on Intel cpu's nowadays. You should never trust anything a manufacturer says without the facts to back up their claims. Often there is a lot of fine print involved.

I think you're close, but it's more like: if we sell this for overclocking, let's give it some more TDP leg room so it can actually overclock without throttling back all the time.

Tdp does nothing for overclocking. Higher power limits does.

 

[Octavean]

For me this hinges on price and Z170 motherboard support to even consider contemplating over thread ripper...hell if you can't BCLK the i5-8400 and depending on the i5-8600K that's another factor as well. AMD played it's card and it's beastly it's gonna take more than gentle persuasion to sway me from what they have to offer.

The entry level Threadripper was a bit of a disappointment IMO due to it being an 8 core 16 thread part that starts at ~$550 USD. Threadripper is IMO a better platform then AMD RyZen X370 but it is more costly and I have to question if an entry level AMD Threadripper 1900X 8 core 16 thread processor will be significantly faster then a 8core 16 thread RyZen 7 1800X, 1700X and 1700.

IMO Threadripper should have started with 10 cores 20 threads at ~$550 so there would have been no overlap with RyZen 7. Also, the reality is that buying into a HEDT platform just for playing games is generally unwise from a cost / performance perspective and now that AMD has a HEDT offering that hasn't changed.

Threadripper may also not perform as well as hoped or expected with respect to games similar to what happened with the RyZen 7 introduction. That's not to say it won't be a decent gaming platform but a 6 core 12 thread Coffee Lake processor with 4.7GHz boost may be cheaper and may perform better.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

The entry level Threadripper was a bit of a disappointment IMO due to it being an 8 core 16 thread part that starts at ~$550 USD. Threadripper is IMO a better platform then AMD RyZen X370 but it is more costly and I have to question if an entry level AMD Threadripper 1900X 8 core 16 thread processor will be significantly faster then a 8core 16 thread RyZen 7 1800X, 1700X and 1700.

IMO Threadripper should have started with 10 cores 20 threads at ~$550 so there would have been no overlap with RyZen 7. Also, the reality is that buying into a HEDT platform just for playing games is generally unwise from a cost / performance perspective and now that AMD has a HEDT offering that hasn't changed.

Threadripper may also not perform as well as hoped or expected with respect to games similar to what happened with the RyZen 7 introduction. That's not to say it won't be a decent gaming platform but a 6 core 12 thread Coffee Lake processor with 4.7GHz boost may be cheaper and may perform better.

1440p fixes ryzen's gaming issues, which aren't even major at 1080p, so for HEDT it's perfect, even for gaming, 10-core threadripper is hoing to be difficult because of the ccx's having to be unbalanced and the 8-core is great for "budget" gpu rendering supercomputers and mass-storage with nvme ssd's.

 

[dcf-joe]

The 8700K will probably be my next cpu. It should be a "nice" upgrade from my 2600K Sandybridge!

 

[meirb111]

so is the i3 going to be 4 cores? to be or not to be...

 

[Manu_PT]

The 8700K will probably be my next cpu. It should be a "nice" upgrade from my 2600K Sandybridge!

That´s a really good upgrade for sure! And my respect to you for keeping your very good 2600k for so much time. Wise decision as that chip is very good, low temps and very good OC potential!

so is the i3 going to be 4 cores? to be or not to be...

I guess Pentium will be the 2 cores + 2 HT, i3 "low" clocks (2,8ghz - 3,5ghz) quad cores.

 

[5DVX0130]

The 7700k has a 350$ MSRP. So, expecting the same price for the new 8700k is a bit delusional. I expect it will be 379$, so slightly less than the 389$ MSRP for the i7 7800x and R7 1700x.

It might have a paper launch in Q3, but don’t expect any reasonable availability till end of Q4. Considering Intel-s Q4/2016 roadmaps, there were no plans for a mainstream six-core till at least Q4/2018 (even that is vague). So this deviation means it’s at a minimum 1.5 years earlier than planned. How that will affect platform maturity and features, remains to be seen.

I also don’t expect it will support older chipsets. It’s already amazing that it doesn’t have a new package, but I guess that is the result of lack of time. I do hope, the 300-series chipset finally brings with it PCIe 4.0. It has been long overdue, and considering the latest news it looks like it’s spec are going to be finalised this year.

 

[Dimi]

I do hope, the 300-series chipset finally brings with it PCIe 4.0. It has been long overdue, and considering the latest news it looks like it’s spec are going to be finalised this year.

What hardware can saturate pcie 3.0 slot? Even at 8x speed.

 

[bug]

What hardware can saturate pcie 3.0 slot? Even at 8x speed.

Don't try to derail the discussion. He wants 4.0.

 

[birdie]

The 7700k has a 350$ MSRP. So, expecting the same price for the new 8700k is a bit delusional. I expect it will be 379$, so slightly less than the 389$ MSRP for the i7 7800x and R7 1700x.

It might have a paper launch in Q3, but don’t expect any reasonable availability till end of Q4. Considering Intel-s Q4/2016 roadmaps, there were no plans for a mainstream six-core till at least Q4/2018 (even that is vague). So this deviation means it’s at a minimum 1.5 years earlier than planned. How that will affect platform maturity and features, remains to be seen.

I also don’t expect it will support older chipsets. It’s already amazing that it doesn’t have a new package, but I guess that is the result of lack of time. I do hope, the 300-series chipset finally brings with it PCIe 4.0. It has been long overdue, and considering the latest news it looks like it’s spec are going to be finalised this year.

Multiple leaks over the past two years pinned CL launch at Q1/2018 so Intel will have to "rush" it only a quarter earlier. You're off by 3/4 of a year.

 

[bug]

Multiple leaks over the past two years pinned CL launch at Q1/2018 so Intel will have to "rush" it only a quarter earlier. You're off by 3/4 of a year.

Plus, I'm pretty sure that even Intel hasn't been pressured to put more cores onto a CPU till now, that didn't stop from looking into it. They know how to do it already.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

Plus, I'm pretty sure that even Intel hasn't been pressured to put more cores onto a CPU till now, that didn't stop from looking into it. They know how to do it already.

O, so it's like the magic threadripper killers Intel supposedly had lying for years? At the moment we have no prove of a 7980XE or ana amzing 7960x. In fact, just looking at the specs, they seem a bit sh*t really all things considered.

 

[5DVX0130]

What hardware can saturate pcie 3.0 slot? Even at 8x speed.

RAID/Storage Controllers, Network Adapters, PCIe SSD, …

Multiple leaks over the past two years pinned CL launch at Q1/2018 so Intel will have to "rush" it only a quarter earlier. You're off by 3/4 of a year.

CL = Cannonlake
CFL = Coffee Lake

Rumours and “leaks” about CFL only really started to surface after July 2016.
Even those were all over the place, and were mostly showing CFL being a mobile only platform.
Heck, you had “leaks” about it being 10nm as late as 12/16, but now we know they are yet again reusing 14nm.

This marks a historic fourth arch on the same process for Intel.

Before that you had CL, which early on did state Q4/17-Q1/18, but later on it became obvious it’s not going to happen, because off all the issues.
It was also clear a new socket would come along with it.

It all depends on how you look at it. It’s clear though, they are rushing things out, and not because it was planned like that.

 

[Dimi]

RAID/Storage Controllers, Network Adapters, PCIe SSD, ….

Out of curiosity, can you show me 1 device that can saturate PCIe 3.0 at 8x, that is 7.9 GB/s not Gigabit/s.

Doesn't mean i don't want 4.0 to happen, i'm also hoping it will land on the Z300 platform because i will most likely be upgrading to Coffee Lake.

 

[5DVX0130]

Out of curiosity, can you show me 1 device that can saturate PCIe 3.0 at 8x, that is 7.9 GB/s not Gigabit/s.

Doesn't mean i don't want 4.0 to happen, i'm also hoping it will land on the Z300 platform because i will most likely be upgrading to Coffee Lake.

Consumer grade, nothing really comes to mind. Plenty of server and workstation equipment though. Which is irrelevant in this case, and pointless for me to post.

Where it’s important for consumers is storage, and off course the influence on all the future hardware.
More specifically M.2, which is becoming the de facto standard. Large part thanks to the slow progression in a new SATA standard, and the SATA Express failure.
As you know M.2 is equivalent to 4x PCIe, so about 3.9GB/s. The 960 PRO is already rated for 3,4GB/s, and EVO 3,12GB/s.

I was planning on building a new rig last year, but both the 200 series chipset and Kaby Lake were a disappointment. The sucky chipset was actually the main reason why I didn’t do it. Seeing as AMD was just plain shit, unless talking budget/low end, and my system is still running just fine I decided to wait it out.

Glad I did. Still haven’t upgraded though, since memory, GPU, and partially SSD, prices are through the roof.
Guess 2018 will finally be the year.

 

[efikkan]

Depending on price, i5-8600K could be a very interesting value model.

4.7Ghz boost and 6 cores sounds nice. This could be my next CPU. Ryzen is an option too. This makes Intel's HEDT kinda pointless.

Intel HEDT makes fully sense if you either need even more cores, more memory bandwidth, AVX-512, more PCIe channels, or other chipset features. If you don't need any of this, then surely i7-8700K offers better value.

i7-8700K and i7-7800X($389) offers great competition to Ryzen 7 1800X (~$499) / Threadripper 1900X ($549), with 30% higher IPC and higher boost.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Suuure, that's why a 6C/12T 7800X is faster than an 8C/16T 1800X in most applications because Zen "beats Skylake-X at literally everything".
I swear, some people just let their favoritism of a multi billion dollar publicly traded company get to their brain and spout the stupidest things ever.

Sure buddy.

Core-for-core Skylake-X is slower than Ryzen at gaming, let alone most other applications:

 

[Dimi]

I was planning on building a new rig last year, but both the 200 series chipset and Kaby Lake were a disappointment. The sucky chipset was actually the main reason why I didn’t do it. Seeing as AMD was just plain shit, unless talking budget/low end, and my system is still running just fine I decided to wait it out.

Glad I did. Still haven’t upgraded though, since memory, GPU, and partially SSD, prices are through the roof.
Guess 2018 will finally be the year.

Yeah true, i've been wanting to upgrade my 4770K but i've been waiting for a higher core count update from the Intel side. I am kind of enticed to jumping on x299 (7820x) but these Coffee Lake cpu's are starting to look very appealing to me.

Though if there was already a micro atx board for x299 i would have already jumped on it.

 

[Captain_Tom]

For me this hinges on price and Z170 motherboard support to even consider contemplating over thread ripper...hell if you can't BCLK the i5-8400 and depending on the i5-8600K that's another factor as well. AMD played it's card and it's beastly it's gonna take more than gentle persuasion to sway me from what they have to offer.

I am actually quite interested to see how the 1900X turns out. One of Zen's biggest weaknesses is inadequate bandwidth, but the 1900X will be an 8-core with Quad-channel memory. Furthermore it looks like it may be able to hit 4.2GHz.

Could turn out to be the most power gaming CPU, and it will have support for 3-way crossfire.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

I am actually quite interested to see how the 1900X turns out. One of Zen's biggest weaknesses is inadequate bandwidth, but the 1900X will be an 8-core with Quad-channel memory. Furthermore it looks like it may be able to hit 4.2GHz.

Could turn out to be the most power gaming CPU, and it will have support for 3-way crossfire.

Quad channel memory shouldn't solve the bandwidth issues. The bandwidth issues are in the cpu dies, not the RAM. Overclocking RAM (pushing it beyond 2133mhz) seems to overclock infinity fabric too. That's what makes the biggest difference.

 

[5DVX0130]

Yeah true, i've been wanting to upgrade my 4770K but i've been waiting for a higher core count update from the Intel side. I am kind of enticed to jumping on x299 (7820x) but these Coffee Lake cpu's are starting to look very appealing to me.

Though if there was already a micro atx board for x299 i would have already jumped on it.

X299 and 7820x are already too expensive for what they offer. Now, with Threadripper around the corner, they are looking even less appealing.

While I don’t have high expectations of CFL being different than Kaby, I do expect Intel finally stepping up their game with the 300-series chipset. With R7 1700/1700x selling for 269$/299$, and no need for an expensive motherboard in case you want to OC, it’s hard to justify paying more. Especially for 6/12, unless it’s that much more powerful OR the chipset has that much more going for it.

Just don't pre-order, at least not on the ground off all the “leaks”/rumours/hype ... Rather wait till the reviews are out, and all the early kinks are known.

Besides that, seriously look at AMD this time around. Not because you’re supporting the underdog, but because they have a quality product.
It also supporting competition, which in turn supports innovation.

 

[Dimi]

X299 and 7820x are already too expensive for what they offer. Now, with Threadripper around the corner, they are looking even less appealing.

While I don’t have high expectations of CFL being different than Kaby, I do expect Intel finally stepping up their game with the 300-series chipset. With R7 1700/1700x selling for 269$/299$, and no need for an expensive motherboard in case you want to OC, it’s hard to justify paying more. Especially for 6/12, unless it’s that much more powerful OR the chipset has that much more going for it.

Just don't pre-order, at least not on the ground off all the “leaks”/rumours/hype ... Rather wait till the reviews are out, and all the early kinks are known.

Besides that, seriously look at AMD this time around. Not because you’re supporting the underdog, but because they have a quality product.
It also supporting competition, which in turn supports innovation.

The thing is though, i only want 8c/16t and Ryzen 7 only has 20 pcie lanes. Which means nothing extra for nvme storage.

Threadripper : x399 motherboard 380$ + 1900x 550$ = 930$
Skylake x : x299 motherboard 260$ + 7820x 590$ = 850$

I know the difference is "only" 80$ but i really don't need 60 lanes and never will.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Quad channel memory shouldn't solve the bandwidth issues. The bandwidth issues are in the cpu dies, not the RAM. Overclocking RAM (pushing it beyond 2133mhz) seems to overclock infinity fabric too. That's what makes the biggest difference.

Hmmm that is true. I guess we will just have to see if it does anything.

 

[Captain_Tom]

The thing is though, i only want 8c/16t and Ryzen 7 only has 20 pcie lanes. Which means nothing extra for nvme storage.

Threadripper : x399 motherboard 380$ + 1900x 550$ = 930$
Skylake x : x299 motherboard 260$ + 7820x 590$ = 850$

I know the difference is "only" 80$ but i really don't need 60 lanes and never will.

A 1900 non-X is coming out too (Probably will be $450). Then factor in the issue that Skylake-X sucks.

But yeah, tell yourself the -15% IPC and 50% higher power usage is worth the $80 lol

 

[5DVX0130]

The thing is though, i only want 8c/16t and Ryzen 7 only has 20 pcie lanes. Which means nothing extra for nvme storage.

Threadripper : x399 motherboard 380$ + 1900x 550$ = 930$
Skylake x : x299 motherboard 260$ + 7820x 590$ = 850$

I know the difference is "only" 80$ but i really don't need 60 lanes and never will.

Wait till TR comes to market.
If Ryzen is any indication, then TR prices should go down/get a nice discount quite fast.
Not much choice in the motherboards department atm anyway.

I’ll wait till CFL comes out, and see how things develop. Not in a hurry, so maybe I’ll even wait till Zen+.