Retailers are Buying AMD RX Vega 64 at $675 Each

[efikkan]

1. A GPU-manufacturer needs to have marketshare to give others a reason to optimize for its products.

Market share is not the issue due to the console market. Right now there are more way optimized games for AMD hardware than their counterpart, in fact many games are developed initially exclusively for AMD hardware and then ported to PC.

4. Same fault like the Bulldozer-idea... meh in some couple of month it could be widely adopted and optimized bla bla. How with inactive/broken engines and nearly no marketshare to get wide adoption and optimization?

Bulldozer was a faulty design, only suitable for specific workloads which doesn't map well with consumer software. It's not a lack of "optimizations" as people keep claiming.

2. Why is nvidia able to push that much FPS with the 150W GTX1070 having only 3 GPC, where we wait and wait to see AMD doing equal with GCN with 4 Engines with equal Watts?

Because they have a much more efficient design which is able to divide the workload and keep the cores fed.

5. being not to rigorous: if the 200W state of Vega does anytime in the future (month or years) beat the OC-Variants of the GTX1080 with same Watts, okay, better late then never. But if Vega in that state EVER gets near the FPS of 1080Ti i will be an idiot.

Vega10 will remain roughly where it is today.

 

[R-T-B]

They have a coprocessor on the Vega GPU. surely they can teach it to recognize cryptocurrency and just be absolute dud with it

Not without crippling compute they can't. That's why this issue exists.

 

[Xzibit]

Not without crippling compute they can't. That's why this issue exists.

PCPer allude to the basis of the arm in there to be for security. Could it be repurpose is the question hes asking. If its running security integrity checks then I dont see why not but then it goes into will they or if they even want to or can or willing.

Its non-active in RX from what they said in there discussion.

 

[R-T-B]

PCPer allude to the basis of the arm in there to be for security. Could it be repurpose is the question hes asking. If its running security integrity checks then I dont see why not but then it goes into will they or if they even want to or can or willing.

Its non-active in RX from what they said in there discussion.

The algorithms vary too much. There's no way for even a general purpose CPU to differentiate from gaming compute, which is why no one is trying.

 

[Xzibit]

The algorithms vary too much. There's no way for even a general purpose CPU to differentiate from gaming compute, which is why no one is trying.

Its not open-source

 

[R-T-B]

Its not open-source

How is that relevant to detecting crypto without breaking gaming compute?

 

[Xzibit]

How is that relevant to detecting crypto without breaking gaming compute?

Did you not say, "that's why no-one is tryn"

 

[R-T-B]

Did you not say, "that's why no-one is tryn"

Uh... I said because you cannot differentiate the compiled workloads, no one is trying. They are all opencl kernels to the GPU.

I don't know how open/closed source got relevant, frankly.

 

[Xzibit]

Uh... I said because you cannot differentiate the compiled workloads, no one is trying. They are all opencl kernels to the GPU.

I don't know how open/closed source got relevant, frankly.

To access the security processor ?

 

[R-T-B]

To access the security processor ?

Why would a mining program access the security processor?

I thought the argument was AMD would use the security processor to prevent mining. In order to do this, the security processor would need to be able to differentiate workloads.

I think we just had a big miscommunication somewhere, it happens on occasion.

 

[Vya Domus]

You can't "detect and cripple mining software" while leaving everything else unaffected. Period.

You can cripple it , but you would cripple the performance on all workloads.

Conspiracy theory ( hold on to your tinfoil hats ):

Now that I think about it , maybe AMD is honest and they are doing their best to get these off the hands of miners and have purposely crippled the card as a whole. And they are going to de-cripple it when this whole things dies out via a magic driver update.

Well...probably not.