Do Inflated AMD Radeon GPU Prices Have an Official Sanction?

[dyonoctis]

This just show that AMD isn't good at communication. Yes the inflated price are not from them, but they should avoid those kind of post were they are trying to promote a overpriced product as a good deal. You can get a GTX 1060 6 gb for this price. Look at the comment under the tweet, customers are laughing. That's bad communication, launching a game bundle with gpu at that particuliar moment is a bad descision too. The radeon group need to either stay on the low until things get back to normal, or start to admit that the situation is bad, explain clearly to the costumers that they can't do anything against that. But playing "everything is fine" when it's not that's just bad.

With a better communication AMD would have avoided all the hate, it was unfortunate that vega launched at such a terrible time, but they failed hard to follow up with a clear explanation or apologies,you can't blame people for being mad at that.

If i recall correctly when Nvidia is screwing up they are getting toasted too the gtx 970 wasn't a small drama.

 

[Nokiron]

That sells as a hi end.

So you are telling me Vega 56 and 64 is mid-tier?

Performance matter, not die-size.

 

[john_]

https://www.techpowerup.com/236201/...0-in-august-could-affect-graphics-card-prices

All graphics cards, not just NVIDIA. Sorry if we didn't opt for the clickbait article.

It would read so much better if we had used NVIDIA and green images, wouldn't it?

This article here is strictly about an AMD tweet - an official channel by all means, irrespective of who is running it. If it wasn't official, people wouldn't be losing jobs over some tweets/facebook posts like they do.

See the difference?

I don't remember Digitimes being a click bait site. Maybe when it is bad news about Nvidia stuff, we should consider it a click bait site.

Also Digitimes' article was posted in the 1st of September and probably was having info specifically for Nvidia cards. Maybe too many green images to be posted here?

And you don't opt for click bait titles you say? I keep looking at this article's title and I am having a small problem believing you. Maybe you should have a look again at the title before going full sarcastic?

Nvidia official explanation about the whole 970 mess was lack of communication between it's departments. THE OFFICIAL EXPLANATION. Here a tweet from an employee can't be miscommunication or just bad judgment from it's superior in the marketing department, failing to understand that the current price for a 570, is NOT something that consumers will see it and smile. No, a tweet from someone working on AMD's marketing, is a direct proof of how Raja and Su thinks. Great.

 

[Nokiron]

I don't remember Digitimes being a click bait site. Maybe when it is bad news about Nvidia stuff, we should consider it a click bait site.

Also Digitimes' article was posted in the 1st of September and probably was having info specifically for Nvidia cards. Maybe too many green images to be posted here?

And you don't opt for click bait titles you say? I keep looking at this article's title and I am having a small problem believing you. Maybe you should have a look again at the title before going full sarcastic?

Nvidia official explanation about the whole 970 mess was lack of communication between it's departments. THE OFFICIAL EXPLANATION. Here a tweet from an employee can't be miscommunication or just bad judgment from it's superior in the marketing department, failing to understand that the current price for a 570, is NOT something that consumers will see it and smile. No, a tweet from someone working on AMD's marketing, is a direct proof of how Raja and Su thinks. Great.

So you are just guessing? You seem to have problems with criticism against AMD.

They still represent AMD as a whole, that's what they are hired for.

 

[john_]

So you are just guessing? You seem to have problems with criticism against AMD.

They still represent AMD as a whole, that's what they are hired for.

I am guessing? You have proofs? What? A tweet? Who wrote it? Who gave him the OK to wrote it? Is this person a hi ranked official? Does he realize that those prices have a negative impact on many consumers? Was it a mistake from his part, or deliberate? You seem to know. You seem to not guess, but have inside information. Please, don't keep it for yourself. Or you can avoid answering.

You want criticism for AMD? Their "poor volta" advertisement was a huge lie, they sell factory overclocked cards and then they come out and say "Oh yes, you can run them at lower frequencies and have lower power consumption" that it is stupid, and they totally lost the low end market, with Nvidia offering today the best VFM models, at under $80 and in the price range from $120 and above, when 2 years ago it was the opposite in most price points. You need more, or are you happy?

The only one having problems here is you. You got here to bash AMD and see others bashing AMD and I just spoiled your fun. Sorry.

 

[Nokiron]

I am guessing? You have proofs? What? A tweet? Who wrote it? Who gave him the OK to wrote it? Is this person a hi ranked official? Does he realize that those prices have a negative impact on many consumers? Was it a mistake from his part, or deliberate? You seem to know. You seem to not guess, but have inside information. Please, don't keep it for yourself. Or you can avoid answering.

You want criticism for AMD? Their "poor volta" advertisement was a huge lie, they sell factory overclocked cards and then they come out and say "Oh yes, you can run them at lower frequencies and have lower power consumption" that it is stupid, and they totally lost the low end market, with Nvidia offering today the best VFM models, at under $80 and in the price range from $120 and above, when 2 years ago it was the opposite in most price points. You need more, or are you happy?

The only having problems here is you. You got here to bash AMD and see others bashing AMD and I just spoiled your fun. Sorry.

Digitimes is literally behind a paywall. You wrote "probably" since you most likely are not paying for it and can't read it. That's why.

Why does it matter that someone special wrote it? They posted it on both their Twitter account as well as their Facebook, both of which have huge reach. None of your questions matter when it affects potential customers, they don't care who wrote it when it comes from official sources.

I'm not the problem here. Atleast I can see the repercussions.

 

[dyonoctis]

I don't remember Digitimes being a click bait site. Maybe when it is bad news about Nvidia stuff, we should consider it a click bait site.

Also Digitimes' article was posted in the 1st of September and probably was having info specifically for Nvidia cards. Maybe too many green images to be posted here?

And you don't opt for click bait titles you say? I keep looking at this article's title and I am having a small problem believing you. Maybe you should have a look again at the title before going full sarcastic?

Nvidia official explanation about the whole 970 mess was lack of communication between it's departments. THE OFFICIAL EXPLANATION. Here a tweet from an employee can't be miscommunication or just bad judgment from it's superior in the marketing department, failing to understand that the current price for a 570, is NOT something that consumers will see it and smile. No, a tweet from someone working on AMD's marketing, is a direct proof of how Raja and Su thinks. Great.

If the marketing/pr team isn't aware of a situation that's been going on for more than 2 month, then they are doing their job wrong. You can't do this kind of work without observing the market. That tweet have been here for a while to be just a tiny mistake, I'm seeing this as playing the ostrich, and this isn't something that they can afford right now, showing that they really need help in that departement.

The diffrence with the gtx 970 was that the 970 was made in a vicious way: the card did have 4gb of memory, it just had 512mb that's slower. It took a while for discovering that. The official explanation from Nvidia smell the lies, and they probaly just decided to market the gpu as a 4GB one because it sound better than 3.5Gb.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I am guessing? You have proofs? What? A tweet? Who wrote it? Who gave him the OK to wrote it? Is this person a hi ranked official? Does he realize that those prices have a negative impact on many consumers? Was it a mistake from his part, or deliberate? You seem to know. You seem to not guess, but have inside information. Please, don't keep it for yourself. Or you can avoid answering.

You want criticism for AMD? Their "poor volta" advertisement was a huge lie, they sell factory overclocked cards and then they come out and say "Oh yes, you can run them at lower frequencies and have lower power consumption" that it is stupid, and they totally lost the low end market, with Nvidia offering today the best VFM models, at under $80 and in the price range from $120 and above, when 2 years ago it was the opposite in most price points. You need more, or are you happy?

The only one having problems here is you. You got here to bash AMD and see others bashing AMD and I just spoiled your fun. Sorry.

Even poor voltas bang on tbh ,got shown a few months ago but its not even on the block to discuss imho ,it was an irrelevant comment though they may as well have said the one after volta.

And the markets so feckled ,it's a real mess, i mean everything is dearer even old tat that's been sat for years ,is getting inflated, that price points are a crapshoot..

 

[john_]

Digitimes is literally behind a paywall. You wrote "probably" since you most likely are not paying for it and can't read it. That's why.

As I said, You can just avoid answering. If you don't want to enlighten us about your inside information about AMD tweet, maybe you can enlighten us about your inside information considering that paywall and Digitimes. Please, don't keep that information to yourself.

Why does it matter that someone special wrote it? They posted it on both their Twitter account as well as their Facebook, both of which have huge reach. None of your questions matter when it affects potential customers, they don't care who wrote it when it comes from official sources.

If you ever build a company, hire 10 employees. One to post marketing info in Twitter, one to post THE SAME INFO in Facebook, one in Instagram, one in Twitch etc. This makes total sense.

I'm not the problem here. Atleast I can see the repercussions.

Of course you can.

 

[Nokiron]

As I said, You can just avoid answering. If you don't want to enlighten us about your inside information about AMD tweet, maybe you can enlighten us about your inside information considering that paywall and Digitimes. Please, don't keep that information to yourself.

Why do I need insider information? The post is right there and affecting people. Have you tried going to the article on Digitimes that's linked in the WCCFtech post you posted? I sure can't access it unless I am a paid subscriber.

You are the one to prove that they wrote Nvidia-specific information in that source. Not me.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-graphics-cards-see-price-increases-starting-month-due-memory-shortage/
http://www.digitimes.com/newregister/join.asp?view=Article&DATEPUBLISH=2017/08/28&PAGES=PD&SEQ=207

If you ever build a company, hire 10 employees. One to post marketing info in Twitter, one to post THE SAME INFO in Facebook, one in Instagram, one in Twitch etc. This makes total sense.

This is irrelevant and nothing to do with my post, it does not matter what they used to publish it. The posts still exists.

John Doe does not care one bit on who posted it. I'ts official material.

Of course you can.

Isn't it blatantly obvious? You can read the comments on the posts themselves and see the reactions.

 

[john_]

Even poor voltas bang on tbh ,got shown a few months ago but its not even on the block to discuss imho ,it was an irrelevant comment though they may as well have said the one after volta.

And the markets so feckled ,it's a real mess, i mean everything is dearer even old tat that's been sat for years ,is getting inflated, that price points are a crapshoot..

They messed up. They probably expected more performance in gaming from Vega and that they could lower the power consumption until they have the card ready. They couldn't do that, so they just postponed the release as much as they could. Siggraph has nothing to do with gaming cards, but it was last in the list of events.

If Volta was out now as gaming cards, probably it wouldn't be much better than Pascal cards in gaming. AMD throw all it's R&D cash to shrink Fiji to 14nm and add more compute capabilities. Nvidia throw all it's R&D to create Volta's Tensor Units. In both cases nothing new for gamers. There is a possibility on the other hand, Volta models to have more CUDA cores, compared to Pascal model. And probably that's what we will see next year. A GTX 2070 with 2560 CUDA cores.

As for prices and market, yes, it's a whole mess.

 

[cadaveca]

They messed up. They probably expected more performance in gaming from Vega and that they could lower the power consumption until they have the card ready. They couldn't do that, so they just postponed the release as much as they could.

I prefer to go full-crazy and think that AMD held the cards back so they could use them for mining for themselves. Whether the company or individuals @ AMD benefitted from that, well, doesn't matter.

Like, I look at earning potential of these cards in mining, and the "inflated prices" actually make A LOT of sense. Gaming and any part of the market other than mining seems unimportant to pricing these days.

BTW, VEGA is available in HUGE numbers here, but I'm not going to pay $1000 CAD for a card. I could buy more than 10 cards right this morning locally, as soon as the store opens. Between all their branches, it seems that this particular retailer has about 50-75 cards in stock, and has more coming. The local branches has had 20-25 cards for over a week now, and they aren't selling very well it seems. Usually Bioware's local offices and staff would have snapped those cards up, but they took the majority of the launch cards, leaving pretty much none for the public, and I guess they bought so many that they don't need any more now.

Anyway, point is, supply and demand, locally, doesn't explain "inflated" pricing, at least, not locally. I mentioned back when the cards launched, that we'll see how well AMD is doing if I can go and buy the card I want (WC Limited edition), and I can't do that, but I can buy the card I don't want.

 

[john_]

Why do I need insider information?

Of course not. Only the other person needs to prove his posts. You don't. Your posts are facts.

The post is right there and affecting people. Have you tried going to the article on Digitimes that's linked in the WCCFtech post you posted? I sure can't access it unless I am a paid subscriber.

You are the one to prove that they wrote Nvidia-specific information in that source. Not me.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-graphics-cards-see-price-increases-starting-month-due-memory-shortage/
http://www.digitimes.com/newregister/join.asp?view=Article&DATEPUBLISH=2017/08/28&PAGES=PD&SEQ=207

Digitimes articles stay free to read to everybody for a period of time only. Of course it is easy to google and see multiple articles referring to Digitime's article. On the other hand you still avoid answering my question. As I said, you only ask the other person to prove his post.

This is irrelevant and nothing to do with my post, it does not matter what they used to publish it. The posts still exists.

John Doe does not care one bit on who posted it. I'ts official material.

No you are just missing the point. The same person/persons are responsible for all those posts and it's them that they have to realize that their posts are more harmful for AMD now than a good idea. Probably they have an obligation to their partner and they can't remove those posts. What i am guessing again? Damn. I forgot, we only talk with facts here. As for John Doe, he sees a 570 card with a price that he can ignore.

Isn't it blatantly obvious? You can read the comments on the posts themselves and see the reactions.

And that's how it is affecting people.


OK I am stopping here. I have done the moderating job and reading a dialog between two members that leads to nowhere is more than boring.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I prefer to go full-crazy and think that AMD held the cards back so they could use them for mining for themselves. Whether the company or individuals @ AMD benefitted from that, well, doesn't matter.

Like, I look at earning potential of these cards in mining, and the "inflated prices" actually make A LOT of sense. Gaming and any part of the market other than mining seems unimportant to pricing these days.

BTW, VEGA is available in HUGE numbers here, but I'm not going to pay $1000 CAD for a card. I could buy more than 10 cards right this morning locally, as soon as the store opens. Between all their branches, it seems that this particular retailer has about 50-75 cards in stock, and has more coming. The local branches has had 20-25 cards for over a week now, and they aren't selling very well it seems. Usually Bioware's local offices and staff would have snapped those cards up, but they took the majority of the launch cards, leaving pretty much none for the public, and I guess they bought so many that they don't need any more now.

Anyway, point is, supply and demand, locally, doesn't explain "inflated" pricing, at least, not locally. I mentioned back when the cards launched, that we'll see how well AMD is doing if I can go and buy the card I want (WC Limited edition), and I can't do that, but I can buy the card I don't want.

A reasonable argument i largely agree with but,
You emphasize what Amd is doing but what they aren't doing is selling them to you.
That price is absolutely ridiculous, but Again its the distribution and shop to blame , you could probably import a £480 one from ocuk to there and still save money.

So what the hell gives with US and Canadian shopkeepers.....

If it were my region i wouldn't buy for that price tbh.

Ohh and Amd are not bitmain, my vega was unused on delivery im sure , mining leaves its marks you know like tinged mounting plates etc same as 24/7 folding.

 

[Nokiron]

Of course not. Only the other person needs to prove his posts. You don't. Your posts are facts.

I didn't assume anything. You did with the "probably".

I had to scavenge comments from neogaf to find a readable link with allegedly less information. https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20170828PD207.html

There, I searched up the source (well, somewhat) since you didn't bother to care.

Digitimes articles stay free to read to everybody for a period of time only. Of course it is easy to google and see multiple articles referring to Digitime's article. On the other hand you still avoid answering my question. As I said, you only ask the other person to prove his post.

Again, I did not state anything. You did.

"Also Digitimes' article was posted in the 1st of September and probably was having info specifically for Nvidia cards."

I questioned the "probably" in that statement. Since the Digitimes article could not be read at the time of posting by WCCFtech.

No you are just missing the point. The same person/persons are responsible for all those posts and it's them that they have to realize that their posts are more harmful for AMD now than a good idea. Probably they have an obligation to their partner and they can't remove those posts. What i am guessing again? Damn. I forgot, we only talk with facts here. As for John Doe, he sees a 570 card with a price that he can ignore.

So just because they have an obligation makes their post completely fine for everyone? Are you sure everyone understands that? I sure don't, and the reactions are a clear indication that it is not received well.

I'm personally well aware why they posted it. But you have to see it from a different perspective.

And that's how it is affecting people.

You are saying they are not people?

OK I am stopping here. I have done the moderating job and reading a dialog between two members that leads to nowhere is more than boring.

Don't put this on me dude, this is all you.

 

[Xzibit]

I find these Headline grabbers comical.

For the past months since the GPU prices have been inflated you could go to AMD site click SHOP and it links to external selling with current market prices.

That's pretty much all the research you needed to do and could say the exact same thing, That current market prices are AMD sanctioned.

Whats the difference. Well pointing it out then prior to Vega launch wont give you the headline grabber it does now.

 

[john_]

I prefer to go full-crazy and think that AMD held the cards back so they could use them for mining for themselves. Whether the company or individuals @ AMD benefitted from that, well, doesn't matter.

Like, I look at earning potential of these cards in mining, and the "inflated prices" actually make A LOT of sense. Gaming and any part of the market other than mining seems unimportant to pricing these days.

BTW, VEGA is available in HUGE numbers here, but I'm not going to pay $1000 CAD for a card. I could buy more than 10 cards right this morning locally, as soon as the store opens. Between all their branches, it seems that this particular retailer has about 50-75 cards in stock, and has more coming. The local branches has had 20-25 cards for over a week now, and they aren't selling very well it seems. Usually Bioware's local offices and staff would have snapped those cards up, but they took the majority of the launch cards, leaving pretty much none for the public, and I guess they bought so many that they don't need any more now.

Anyway, point is, supply and demand, locally, doesn't explain "inflated" pricing, at least, not locally. I mentioned back when the cards launched, that we'll see how well AMD is doing if I can go and buy the card I want (WC Limited edition), and I can't do that, but I can buy the card I don't want.

That would be interesting. Hope they made enough money to build Navi as a totally new design, not improve Tonga again, for the 4th I think time?

I think that after they saw that they can't create a 1080 killer they decided to turn to mining. That's why they created that special driver(at the same time they where tutting that Radeon packs where created to limit sales to miners). Bitcoin sold all 290/X reference cards that no one was going to buy because of their cooling solution and with the custom models only 2 months away. So they thought they can do the same. Especially now that they are probably selling Vega at a loss or single digit profit margins. They knew that retailers will make again huge profit margins and they(AMD) will be feeling stupid, so they messed up with the launch price, leaving it open in a way, so they have the option to make some extra income from the RX cards latter. Maybe they where also fearing VRAM prices going up.

At those prices I wouldn't have bought either, even if I had found the money in the pavement just outside the shop selling Vega.

Internet gives shops the chance to not be local shops. They could be hoping to sell some Vegas to customers in areas where Vegas are more expensive or difficult to find.

But this mess with Vega has probably nothing to do with that tweet. XFX asked them to promote it's card, AMD tweeted about the card, and here we go....

 

[john_]

....

Just a quick reply. When I post an opinion I will always say probably. Others think that everything they post it must be cast in stone. Me, I leave it to the reader, to either read that probably as an honest opinion, or as a change to use it to discredit that opinion.
I like also how you come to conclusions about what I mean.

The end.

PS(really john_? after the end? )

Don't put this on me dude, this is all you.

You quoted me, with multiple conclusions and questions about what I meant. And no, I wasn't putting this on you. One more of your conclusions. NO "probably" here, just another conclusion/fact of yours.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I find these Headline grabbers comical.

For the past months since the GPU prices have been inflated you could go to AMD site click SHOP and it links to external selling with current market prices.

That's pretty much all the research you needed to do and could say the exact same thing, That current market prices are AMD sanctioned.

Whats the difference. Well pointing it out then prior to Vega launch wont give you the headline grabber it does now.

Exactly , the cards have already been sold at that price for four months not good but market is what it is ,so Amd or xfx up the game to push sales by packaging a game and its bad.
I bought 10 gtx 1060s not long ago that should have been 200£ but bought for 269 with rocket league , same shit sans pr tweet and alls fine.
The last two 1060s cost 40£ (2days later ,same card)more because Nvidia are shits.

No the guy selling it me was the Shit.

 

[efikkan]

How about when Nvidia inflates the MSRP Prices from the get go ?
Geforce 1080 MSRP at Launch ??
For a mid Tier Chip ? Nobody seemed to care.

Nvidia only inflated the prices of their FE cards.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Nvidia only inflated the prices of their FE cards.

What and that had no effect on Aib cards????? Or the pricing of what it replaced????

 

[R0H1T]

I prefer to go full-crazy and think that AMD held the cards back so they could use them for mining for themselves. Whether the company or individuals @ AMD benefitted from that, well, doesn't matter.

I actually suggested that multiple times on this forum, here's hoping Raja didn't listen to me
Of course if they did, then I guess the Wells Fargo fake account scandal might look like a drop in the ocean, considering this one will have more serious repercussions for AMD

 

[Slizzo]

What and that had no effect on Aib cards????? Or the pricing of what it replaced????

No, it didn't. The FE cards were still very clearly priced well above the partner cards.

I bought my GTX 1080 G1 Gaming for $649. MSRP of GTX 1080 was $599, FE was $699. There you go: partner card, with custom cooler, and custom PCB was smack dab in the middle of those two price points.

 

[Poul-erik]

In Denmark vi have to pay 700$ for a RX Vega 64.

 

[cadaveca]

I actually suggested that multiple times on this forum, here's hoping Raja didn't listen to me
Of course if they did, then I guess the Wells Fargo fake account scandal might look like a drop in the ocean, considering this one will have more serious repercussions for AMD

I don't think so. they can do whatever they like with whatever they make. Perhaps they need to test each GPU with mining to ensure stability? So no big deal.