Intel Core i5-8600K 3.6 GHz

[Melvis]

First, I doubt a mobo for Intel is $200+ (I cand find them on newegg at $129.99). Second, you're comparing the price of a product that's been on the market for half a year to the price of a newly released product. It's a fair comparison at the moment, but we all know there's a markup around launch time. Third, going by MSRP, 8600k's direct competitor is 1600X, not the plain 1600.

I think if you give it a month or two, these will be priced pretty much the same, making choosing between them a toss up, unless you specifically need either multithreaded or single threaded performance. I just wished they'd be priced a tad lower.

https://www.pccasegear.com/category/138_1902/motherboards/intel-socket-1151-cl

Every Z370 Motherboard there is $200 or up!

 

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https://www.pccasegear.com/category/138_1902/motherboards/intel-socket-1151-cl

Every Z370 Motherboard there is $200 or up!

Nice try, but that's AUD, we were talking USD.

 

[cap87]

Its basically r7 1700 performance for the same price. Maybe a full build is cheaper on the AMD side, since you can pick b350 motherboards for 80$ and still overclock.
Overclock enabled Intel boards are more expensive.
I wouldn't compare it with the r5 1600

VRM's on B350 MB's are garbage and the decent ones cost as much as X370's. I've never really understood the AMD fans argument, I mean if you do pick Ryzen for longevity then why buy the cheapest parts? I'd never stick with a heatsink that blows hot air into the MB components and if any of them were serious about OC'ing they'd pick something better than the wraith cooler, even a cheap $35 Hyper EVO 212 does a better job.

R7 1600 is 10% slower in both cpu and game tests.
You can buy 1600 for $170 and get $30 off when you buy motherboard from Microcenter.
So for $220 you can get R7 1600 / B350 motherboard.
I think that is pretty good deal.
Same Intel combo will set you back around $500.

I bought an i5 8600K/Z370 combo for $364 on newegg so it's nowhere near the $500 tag unless you meant that for an 8700K combo. I could have waited for a price drop but then again I don't felt like waiting for two or three months.

 

[Melvis]

Nice try, but that's AUD, we were talking USD.

Exactly, and we all know that USA has the cheapest prices in the world, so people complaining about prices in USA don't have any reason to, its dirt cheap there period! and there is more people in the world then just USA and we all pay a lot more, so yes there is many hobos priced over $200 regardless of the small amount of Americans that get them under the rest of the worlds $200+

 

[Vayra86]

Exactly, and we all know that USA has the cheapest prices in the world, so people complaining about prices in USA don't have any reason to, its dirt cheap there period! and there is more people in the world then just USA and we all pay a lot more, so yes there is many hobos priced over $200 regardless of the small amount of Americans that get them under the rest of the worlds $200+

Sorry but no, over here in Netherlands as well; Z boards have always started at around the 110-120 EUR mark. Not 180 or up. That is the subtop of the stack price point and even with a bad USD/EUR rate.

 

[Mirkoskji]

VRM's on B350 MB's are garbage and the decent ones cost as much as X370's. I've never really understood the AMD fans argument, I mean if you do pick Ryzen for longevity then why buy the cheapest parts? I'd never stick with a heatsink that blows hot air into the MB components and if any of them were serious about OC'ing they'd pick something better than the wraith cooler, even a cheap $35 Hyper EVO 212 does a better job.



I bought an i5 8600K/Z370 combo for $364 on newegg so it's nowhere near the $500 tag unless you meant that for an 8700K combo. I could have waited for a price drop but then again I don't felt like waiting for two or three months.

Do you really need those exxxxtreme ultra-dope vrms for a crappy 65/95 watt CPU that even overclocked can't surpass 140w? I mean I had countless crappy parts, they never failed for age or normal usage. They either failed in the first week or after misuse (apart from mechanical HDDs). I know more extreme builds with way more problems than normal ones (I have a problematic motherboard that was 500 euros when new, I never had such problems with my precedent cheap builds). As for cooling, when you have a CPU that barely reaches 70 degrees what "hot air" do you think comes out from the heatsink? 45 degrees? 50? Those vrms are not made of human parts, that's plastic, copper, aluminium, and glass fiber.. If I touch the heatsink of my rivbe x79 motherboard' vrms ( liquid cooled cpu), I risk 1 grade burns even with a fan on it, and Never had problems with a 160w cpu pulling power from them. (With or without a fan). Sometimes overkill is too much overkill maybe?

 

[Melvis]

Sorry but no, over here in Netherlands as well; Z boards have always started at around the 110-120 EUR mark. Not 180 or up. That is the subtop of the stack price point and even with a bad USD/EUR rate.

Sorry but no what? im confused, Netherlands cost alot more then USA for computer parts as well you mean? thats exactly what im getting at, the cheapest Z370 here in Australia starts at 131 Euro's, converted for you, thats even more then what you quoted.

 

[Vayra86]

Sorry but no what? im confused, Netherlands cost alot more then USA for computer parts as well you mean? thats exactly what im getting at, the cheapest Z370 here in Australia starts at 131 Euro's, converted for you, thats even more then what you quoted.

Yes, even though it costs 'more' over here, the vast majority of boards still ends up way below 180 EUR price points, which is about the same as $200. The gap between USA and NL really isn't that big, the main culprit is the way VAT is handled.

 

[Kapone33]

VRM's on B350 MB's are garbage and the decent ones cost as much as X370's. I've never really understood the AMD fans argument, I mean if you do pick Ryzen for longevity then why buy the cheapest parts? I'd never stick with a heatsink that blows hot air into the MB components and if any of them were serious about OC'ing they'd pick something better than the wraith cooler, even a cheap $35 Hyper EVO 212 does a better job.

Do you have a Wraith cooler to confirm that statement? The Wraith cooler from AMD is the best included cooler ever sent with a CPU. I know I was able to OC my R7 1700 to 3.7 GHZ just using the "garbage" Wraith cooler.

I bought an i5 8600K/Z370 combo for $364 on newegg so it's nowhere near the $500 tag unless you meant that for an 8700K combo. I could have waited for a price drop but then again I don't felt like waiting for two or three months.

If you are just a gamer that CPU makers sense but $364 US is $497 Canadian dollars. For $364 you could get the 1600 and a good B350 board. The biggest difference between these 2 CPUs is the 5% to 10% aggregate performance in (some) games.

 

[cap87]

Do you really need those exxxxtreme ultra-dope vrms for a crappy 65/95 watt CPU that even overclocked can't surpass 140w? I mean I had countless crappy parts, they never failed for age or normal usage. They either failed in the first week or after misuse (apart from mechanical HDDs). I know more extreme builds with way more problems than normal ones (I have a problematic motherboard that was 500 euros when new, I never had such problems with my precedent cheap builds). As for cooling, when you have a CPU that barely reaches 70 degrees what "hot air" do you think comes out from the heatsink? 45 degrees? 50? Those vrms are not made of human parts, that's plastic, copper, aluminium, and glass fiber.. If I touch the heatsink of my rivbe x79 motherboard' vrms ( liquid cooled cpu), I risk 1 grade burns even with a fan on it, and Never had problems with a 160w cpu pulling power from them. (With or without a fan). Sometimes overkill is too much overkill maybe?

Hahaha nice one, sometimes overkill can indeed be too much. I've always leaned towards the more robust components due to functionality but more importantly because over where I live there's a ton of problems with power delivery, the climate is very humid and I like to OC (not a great combo but what can be done?). Nothing super wild but all things considered I'd rather be on the safe side plus I just keep my boards for a while. I don't have a lot of qualms in regards to buying higher end motherboards right now since the things I'm most interested about such as DDR5 of PCI-E 4 won't be here for at least another 3 years so a Z370 will suffice.

 

[Palladium]

VRM's on B350 MB's are garbage and the decent ones cost as much as X370's. I've never really understood the AMD fans argument, I mean if you do pick Ryzen for longevity then why buy the cheapest parts? I'd never stick with a heatsink that blows hot air into the MB components and if any of them were serious about OC'ing they'd pick something better than the wraith cooler, even a cheap $35 Hyper EVO 212 does a better job.

I bought an i5 8600K/Z370 combo for $364 on newegg so it's nowhere near the $500 tag unless you meant that for an 8700K combo. I could have waited for a price drop but then again I don't felt like waiting for two or three months.

When one put together the poorer ST, much poorer DDR4 support and Broken CnQ when OC...I could care less if the AMD solution is $100 cheaper.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

The power efficiency of this CPU is almost jaw dropping... My PC idles between 78-81w. my 3930k on the other hand was at least 100-120w. I havent paid too much attention on the load wattage yet but I doubt my system even peaks over 350w