NeoGAF Back Up After Sexual Assault Allegations Culminated in Offline Weekend

[lexluthermiester]

You mean, facts like this (not my message)?

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There are few things in this world I loath more than pedo's. Pedo sympathizers, in my book, are just as bad. Understanding the rage against the site a bit better now. Pathetic losers..

 

[StrayKAT]

edit: Bah. TMI really. I've said enough.

Lets just say that children are the real victims (if that wasn't obvious enough). Pedophiles are not the damn victims. They deserve to die just for thinking it.

 

[R-T-B]

Jesus, no one deserves to die for thinking anything. Period!

Actions are the only thing I'd ever penalize someone for.

That ban was aparently hinting at that, but went way over the top because they assumed most pedos are "passive" and frickin' banned someone over that improbable (IMO) claim.

That said, it does resonate with me because many people get saddled with shit luck in life. Sexual orientation included. I may even know something about this... but I will say no more. Actions speak louder than thoughts.

 

[StrayKAT]

Jesus, no one deserves to die for thinking anything. Period!

Actions are the only thing I'd ever penalize someone for.

That ban was aparently hinting at that, but went way over the top because they assumed most pedos are "passive" and frickin' banned someone over that improbable (IMO) claim.

That said, it does resonate with me because many people get saddled with shit luck in life. Sexual orientation included. I may even know something about this... but I will say no more. Actions speak louder than thoughts.

Molesting little kids isn't a sexual orientation. It needs to be divorced from the whole notion. It's predatory and nothing more.

 

[R-T-B]

Molesting little kids isn't a sexual orientation. It needs to be divorced from the whole notion. It's predatory and nothing more.

Thoughts and actions differ. That's the point that everyone seems to be completely missing. How you phrased it was frankly, disturbing. You are levying death wishes for mere thoughts.

People can't help what they are attracted to. People can choose what they do about that.

PS: A sexual orientation is basically ANYTHING sexual that one can be attracted to. There are good ones, and bad ones. The bad ones are generally called "paraphilias" and with good reason.

These are medical terms mind, taken from the DSM, and not very up for debate.

 

[StrayKAT]

Thoughts and actions differ. That's the point that everyone seems to be completely missing. How you phrased it was frankly, disturbing. You are levying death wishes for mere thoughts.

People can't help what they are attracted to. People can choose what they do about that.

PS: A sexual orientation is basically ANYTHING sexual that one can be attracted to. There are good ones, and bad ones. The bad ones are generally called "paraphilias" and with good reason.

These are medical terms mind, taken from the DSM, and not very up for debate.

What should disturb people is I got molested at 5. I'm the damn victim. Not pedophiles. I resent it. And I always will.

This is the "TMI" I wanted to refrain from, but it seems to be necessary. My earlier post where I punched a pedo was actually positive. They didn't win that day.

As for thoughts, in daily life out in the real world, I don't know them. I'm not a psychic. The internet is a strange thing though. We're all swimming in thoughts. What makes one more violent than the other. when I respond to a pedophile harshly?

 

[R-T-B]

What should disturb people is I got molested at 5. I'm the damn victim. Not pedophiles. I resent it. And I always will.

This is the "TMI" I wanted to refrain from, but it seems to be necessary. My earlier post where I punched a pedo was actually positive. They didn't win that day.

That would be an action, not a thought wouldn't it?

I'm sorry that happened to you, all the same. But I do not think it is relevant to my point.

Nevertheless, since I stirred up some emotions in you, I feel I owe you a story of a young me. It's... very painful for me to tell, but I feel I owe it here stand by.

 

[StrayKAT]

That would be an action, not a thought wouldn't it?

I'm sorry that happened to you, all the same. But I do not think it is relevant to my point.

Nevertheless, since I stirred up some emotions in you, I feel I owe you a story of a young me. It's... very painful for me to tell, but I feel I owe it here stand by.

You don't need to apologize. It's just.. hard to convey how strongly I feel without mentioning it. I only do it to focus back on kids.. the real victims.

If I sound overly violent, you can blame it on pedophiles too. I would have preferred being left alone. I am who I am because of this. Like Newton says, for every action, there's an equal and opposite

 

[R-T-B]

You don't need to apologize. It's just.. hard to convey how strongly I feel without mentioning it. I only do it to focus back on kids.. the real victims.

If I sound overly violent, you can blame it on pedophiles too. I would have preferred being left alone. I am who I am because of this. Like Newton says, for every action, there's an equal and opposite

Thanks for explaining. It does make your response more understandable.

As for mine, it is more pm material. Sent.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Wow, missed a lot overnight! StrayKat, a lot of people agree with you and feel your pain, myself included. Someone in my life was the victim of such a low-life. You have no idea how close I have come to certain "actions", slowly carried out "actions". R-T-B does have a point about private thoughts. Thoughts and actions are very different. No one has the right to be "Thought Police". However people having such thoughts should have the good sense to keep those thoughts to themselves lest incur the wrath of the public. And the "sexual orientation" perspective is also valid. It is a science based classification. But he was also correct about the "paraphilias" point, and pedophilia is classified as such. However it would be a mistake to casually call pedophilia a "sexual orientation". While it technically is, calling it such gives it a level of validation that is completely unacceptable.

Back on topic, if this is the kind of thing that was going on at neogaf, once again, good riddance. Seems to be bleeding admins and users like a spaghetti strainer.

 

[R-T-B]

Wow, missed a lot overnight! StrayKat, a lot of people agree with you and feel your pain, myself included. Someone in my life was the victim of such a low-life. You have no idea how close I have come to certain "actions", slowly carried out "actions". R-T-B does have a point about private thoughts. Thoughts and actions are very different. No one has the right to be "Thought Police". However people having such thoughts should have the good sense to keep those thoughts to themselves lest incur the wrath of the public. And the "sexual orientation" perspective is also valid. It is a science based classification. But he was also correct about the "paraphilias" point, and pedophilia is classified as such. However it would be a mistake to casually call pedophilia a "sexual orientation". While it technically is, calling it such gives it a level of validation that is completely unacceptable.

Back on topic, if this is the kind of thing that was going on at neogaf, once again, good riddance. Seems to be bleeding admins and users like a spaghetti strainer.

Can't disagree with any of that really. Well spoken sir.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

Molesting little kids isn't a sexual orientation. It needs to be divorced from the whole notion. It's predatory and nothing more.

depends what you consider a child to be. In today world a 18 year old and 16 year old is automatically rape. 16 and 14 is too. 14 year olds sending nudies are guilty of manufacturing child porn. All of those are devoid of any logic or justice. If your talking about a 8 year old being pursued by people 10+ years older sure. 17 year old going after a 9 year old? Sure but be specific. US laws across the board and what idiots count as pedophilia is stupidly broad.

 

[StrayKAT]

depends what you consider a child to be. In today world a 18 year old and 16 year old is automatically rape. 16 and 14 is too. 14 year olds sending nudies are guilty of manufacturing child porn. All of those are devoid of any logic or justice. If your talking about a 8 year old being pursued by people 10+ years older sure. 17 year old going after a 9 year old? Sure but be specific. US laws across the board and what idiots count as pedophilia is stupidly broad.

Some of that is still pretty distasteful, but for now, I'm mostly concerned about little kids (pre-teenagers).

17 year old going after a 9 year old is definitely bad. That story I mentioned when I first posted here (when I was 9) was an older teen guy who tried to overpower me. But he wasn't even 17. He might have been 14 or 15. It's bad enough that he forced himself, but his age alone made it sick.

And to be honest, I think I'm still pretty level headed. I used to also hate gays because of these experiences. But I know they're not all like that.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

Some of that is still pretty distasteful, but for now, I'm mostly concerned about little kids (pre-teenagers).

17 year old going after a 9 year old is definitely bad. That story I mentioned when I first posted here (when I was 9) was an older teen guy who tried to overpower me. But he wasn't even 17. He might have been 14 or 15. It's bad enough that he forced himself, but his age alone made it sick.

And to be honest, I think I'm still pretty level headed. I used to also hate gays because of these experiences. But I know they're not all like that.

not sure whats distasteful (maybe if your a christian or a puritan or a busy body meddling in peoples lives) but to each their own. I find prosecuting and ruining kids lives over consensual actions that is between familial issues is distasteful but whatever.

some understanding of cultures and history on adulthood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty

random site with sources listed. feel free to fact check. Age of Consent seems normal to me form what i recall in studies in the past
https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/09/age-of-consent-in-european-american-history/

 

[Arjai]

I am no fan of any Sexual Predators. However, I could give a Rat's Ass about what anyone is thinking. Actions determine the Asshole.

 

[StrayKAT]

not sure whats distasteful (maybe is your a christian or a puritan or a busy body meddling in peoples lives) but to each their own. I find prosecuting and ruining kids lives over consensual actions that is between familial issues is distasteful but whatever.

I don't care about 14 yr old kids sending nudes. Whoopdee-doo. This is typical adult behavior. That's what I mean by "distasteful". I cringe at it... but it's not a crime.

You didn't need to read all of that into it. You're just being a smartass for bringing your little mini rant against religion into it. This is irrelevant.

At the most, I'd only want to prosecute the person receiving the photos. I was a 14 year old myself once and sexually aware at that point.. If it was between two kids, they're just being kids. It'd be especially stupid to get involved in that. I'm only talking about an adult getting involved.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

I don't care about 14 yr old kids sending nudes. Whoopdee-doo. This is typical adult behavior. That's what I mean by "distasteful". I cringe at it... but it's not a crime.

You didn't need to read all of that into it. You're just being a smartass for bringing your little mini rant against religion into it. This is irrelevant.

At the most, I'd only want to prosecute the person receiving the photos. I was a 14 year old myself once and sexually aware at that point.. If it was between two kids, they're just being kids. It'd be especially stupid to get involved in that. I'm only talking about an adult getting involved.

re read my post. I just edited it.

what you describe is sexual battery and is already illegal so your point is moot.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilc...hapterID=53&SeqEnd=23000000&SeqStart=21100000

for IL and I am sure in all states.

sending nudies as a teen is illegal, which is illogical to ruin kids lifes...ccase in point is below. No justice is done here.
http://www.nbc12.com/story/30004997/two-nc-teens-charged-for-sexting

Also my point on puritanism and Christians and busy bodies is spot on.

You do realize how many laws have come into be due to religion right?

Also what you said about prosecuting the receiver is stupid. The utter lack of meas rea in our criminal law is distasteful disgusting. I have explained on other forums the importance of encrypting your OS drives and wiping free space because simple google searches can put illegal material on your computer which you are now 100% liable for and can go to jail for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

justice....right...

 

[StrayKAT]

re read my post. I just edited it.

what you describe is sexual battery and is already illegal so your point is moot.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilc...hapterID=53&SeqEnd=23000000&SeqStart=21100000

for IL and I am sure in all states.

sending nudies as a teen is illegal, which is illogical to ruin kids lifes...ccase in point is below. No justice is done here.
http://www.nbc12.com/story/30004997/two-nc-teens-charged-for-sexting

Also my point on puritanism and Christians and busy bodies is spot on.

You do realize how many laws have come into be do to religion right?

It isn't spot on because I personally was talking about experience. It's the only perspective I care to talk about atm. If you wanted to talk about social norms, I wish you had chosen someone else. I want people to think about victims if they pride themselves on empathy so much.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

It isn't spot on because I personally was talking about experience. It's the only perspective I care to talk about atm. If you wanted to talk about social norms, I wish you had chosen someone else. I want people to think about victims if they pride themselves on empathy so much.

and my point is you were wanting to prosecute people who may have done nothing wrong and expand things that would wrongfully imprison and ruin peoples lives, which is actually happening right now!

Your personal story is already illegal because it wasn't consensual...yet you want to expand criminal law in a way (already has been done). That would wrongfully imprison innocent people and consensual acts.

nothing is worse than ruining innocent peoples lives.

http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/16/male-teen-has-consensual-sex-with-female
http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/13/romeo-and-juliet-and-sexting-17-year-old
http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/25/operation-cross-country-x-in-one-chart
https://reason.com/blog/2017/10/18/fbi-operation-cross-country-xi

Christians, puritans, and busy bodies are the primary people who create these stupid laws that ruin peoples lives for things that should never have been a crime from the beginning.

 

[StrayKAT]

and my point is you were wanting to prosecute people who may have done nothing wrong and expand things that would wrongfully imprison and ruin peoples lives, which is actually happening right now!.

Imprison? Don't be silly. I would do more than that if I could.

As for your need to keep bringing up religion, it's religion that tells me to turn the other cheek. Something I admire, but something I do not find easy. Not sure why you have so much against it's ethics, when it's saying the same thing you are.

On a sidenote though, there's probably a reason why I admire Joan the Arc out of all of the saints. Kind of reflects my own supposed madness and need to fight.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

Imprison? Don't be silly. I would do more than that if I could.

As for your need to keep bringing up religion, it's religion that tells me to turn the other cheek. Something I admire, but something I do not find easy. Not sure why you have so much against it's ethics, when it's saying the same thing you are.

On a sidenote though, there's probably a reason why I admire Joan the Arc out of all of the saints. Kind of reflects my own supposed madness and need to fight.

and you should not be proud of that. Falsely imprisoning people is not something to be proud of.

I dont have a problem with ethics. I have a problem with people forcing their beliefs on others, whether it is LBGT2^XYZ, Christians, atheists, or whoever.

I have a serious problem with people who are proud with wanting to imprison innocent people or imprison people for violating no ones natural born rights but violating some BS forced on ethics thats isn't based on negative rights.

ruining lives over consented actions is disgusting.

 

[remixedcat]

NeoGAF is cancer anyway. They are like a cult. Follow their cultist beliefs to the letter or get banned. Who the hell wants to stay there except cult leaders and mentally blind people?

very cultist and if you bash a sonic game you get banned. Even constructive crit about secret rings. too many rabid sonic fanboys there that should stick to tumblr.