Intel Core i9-7900X 3.3 GHz

[cadaveca]

I don't think I frequent Youtube or their reviews but I wouldn't go tin foil hat on them.

Money is always involved.

Of course you are right to a degree, but you know, it’s just a different perspective. For me personally it is about providing accurate info in a clear and concise way that is easy to understand. All products have a place in the market too, because they offer different things. We could argue semantics all day, but let me tell you that in actual usage, I see nearly no difference between AMD and Intel right now (fortunately for consumers) and there are specific scenarios that each candidate excels in. It’s actually pretty exciting.

But youtubers as whole want you to choose a side, even if you don’t have to. There are only so many reasons why they’d want you to do that and the obvious one is money.

 

[EarthDog]

It clearly identifies the FPS rate at which the CPU becomes the bottleneck. If you can't get 120 FPS at 720p, then no way you're getting it at a higher resolution.

Interesting...its being assumed the bottleneck is in the same place...

So, you are saying, for example, if at 720p if I cannot hit 120 FPS with GPU A, I can't hit 120FPS with a faster GPU in any situation? In other words, if I was 'stuck' as you are saying at 110 FPS with a 1080 for example, then dropped in a 1080Ti to the same system at the same clocks, I wouldn't see a FPS increase at 720p, or a higher res?

I have to be missing something because that doesn't sound right to me...

EDIT: It would be interesting to see that tested. Just run through your 720p stuff with the 1080Ti and see if those results change...

EDIT2: What about in the case of SLI/CF? I could imagine LESS improvement there, but, still an improvement, no?

I did say 1.2v

Yes, you said that, but I didn't see it in the screenshot... which was the entire point.

And thank you!

 

[bug]

So, you are saying, for example, if at 720p if I cannot hit 120 FPS with GPU A, I can't hit 120FPS with a faster GPU in any situation?

No. He's saying the CPU that pushes more FPS at 720p will push more FPS when you go for a faster GPU.
Though if you stick to 720p, you are very, very likely to be stuck at the same FPS since the GPU isn't the bottleneck here. But this just a special case of my statement above.

 

[cadaveca]

I have to be missing something because that doesn't sound right to me...

120 FPS at any res is basically the same CPU load because you are seeing the same image no matter the resolution. The GPU is what scales it up and shades the triangles the CPU draws. What the CPU does doesn't change, unless the FPS drops, and then the CPU has less work to do, because the GPU is the bottleneck. The GPU is nearly ALWAYS the bottleneck.

 

[W1zzard]

So, you are saying, for example, if at 720p if I cannot hit 120 FPS with GPU A, I can't hit 120FPS with a faster GPU in any situation? In other words, if I was 'stuck' as you are saying at 110 FPS with a 1080 for example, then dropped in a 1080Ti to the same system at the same clocks, I wouldn't see a FPS increase at 720p, or a higher res?

That's correct. If GPU A isn't even fully loaded, due to CPU limit, then the faster GPU won't be any faster either.

I'll do a quick run just for you tomorrow

 

[EarthDog]

I appreciate the time and effort to show what is going on.

If I had the hardware here, I would do it myself, but, just a 1080 in the stable for now.

After a bit more critical thinking, I would imagine we will see less or no gains on the high FPS results, but I wonder about the low FPS results and how that will respond... I assume you are seeing less than 100% GPU use in that situation as well?

 

[Vego]

You are aware that 720p tells you the limits for 144/240 Hz gaming?

i play at 1440p @ 165Hz

720p tells me nothing as i play PC games not consoles....

find me one person that plays with 1k$ CPU at 720p...

 

[W1zzard]

GTX 1060 is still GPU limited, everything beyond is purely CPU limited. There is no way you're getting more than 150 FPS on this system, no matter what GPU you use. I thought everyone knew this.

 

[EarthDog]

Thanks for taking the time to run more cards than asked for through one title. I am curious solely about the 1080Ti (a card FASTER than the 1080) and all the titles though as asked last night. I wonder if the lower FPS titles will show more of an increase of if it is the same.

Regardless, I appreciate your effort.

 

[W1zzard]

Thanks for taking the time to run more cards than asked for through one title. I am curious solely about the 1080Ti (a card FASTER than the 1080) and all the titles though as asked last night. I wonder if the lower FPS titles will show more of an increase of if it is the same.

Regardless, I appreciate your effort.

Don't have time to run all games, I randomly picked Hitman, the other games should be no different.

 

[Vego]

i get that you must defend your work but who in right mind spends 1k on CPU and 200$ on gpu for gaming

7900x is platform for SLI
checking how it performs with entry level is waste of time

same thing with gaming at resolution lower in 1440p with this high end GPUs...

but its your time to waste...

 

[EarthDog]

Don't have time to run all games, I randomly picked Hitman, the other games should be no different.

Should. Yes...

Anyway, thanks W1z for the knowledge dump, looks like I needed it. I am still curious to see 1080Ti (ONLY) results across the other games, but do understand a lack of time for a point you know to be a given.

One thing I did notice though, is the 1080 results differ from what is in your review... did the system or settings change or something? There it peaked at 136 FPS on 8700K and here you are showing 144 FPS for the same card... what changed?

Also, the overclocking, CPUz shows 8c/16t... is that simply a wrong picture or did you drop cores to overclock??

Thanks again.

 

[W1zzard]

Anyway, thanks W1z for the knowledge dump, looks like I needed it. I am still curious to see 1080Ti (ONLY) results across the other games, but do understand a lack of time for a point you know to be a given.

One thing I did notice though, is the 1080 results differ from what is in your review... did the system or settings change or something?

Yes, I used the VGA test system. Next CPU test bench will use GTX 1080 Ti, so there is more structure in 1080p benchmarks

 

[EarthDog]

So the 7700K @ 4.8 GHz did this testing... gotcha.

How about the CPUz thing showing 8c/16t? Just the wrong pic or....?

 

[LiveOrDie]

i get that you must defend your work but who in right mind spends 1k on CPU and 200$ on gpu for gaming

7900x is platform for SLI
checking how it performs with entry level is waste of time

same thing with gaming at resolution lower in 1440p with this high end GPUs...

but its your time to waste...

LMAO no SLI is dead pascal made sure of that, in some games you get lower FPS using it, also saying the 7900x is for SLI is just stupid, x299 isn't a gaming platform and no extreme platform has never been for main stream gaming, most games don't even use more than 4 cores let alone 10, its a work machine or for exteme overclocking....

 

[Vego]

LMAO no SLI is dead pascal made sure of that, in some games you get lower FPS using it, also saying the 7900x is for SLI is just stupid, x299 isn't a gaming platform and no extreme platform has never been for main stream gaming, most games don't even use more than 4 cores let alone 10, its a work machine or for exteme overclocking....

how can you say extreme oc when most chips clock only till 4,7ghz

its a gaming platform, HEDT
if you are a streamer, if you also work on your PC, if you want more from your PC - its for you...

not only for people who play in benchmarks

I sold 70+ x299 computers since launch, 51 with SLI(12 with 1070, 6 with 1080 and rest with 1080ti) and I am a tiny(2 ppl) company in poor country

only 4 of these customers are "professional users", others are IT enthusiasts who like to play at max settings and sometimes render some videos

 

[LiveOrDie]

how can you say extreme oc when most chips clock only till 4,7ghz

its a gaming platform, HEDT
if you are a streamer, if you also work on your PC, if you want more from your PC - its for you...

not only for people who play in benchmarks

I sold 70+ x299 computers since launch, 51 with SLI(12 with 1070, 6 with 1080 and rest with 1080ti) and I am a tiny(2 ppl) company in poor country

only 4 of these customers are "professional users", others are IT enthusiasts who like to play at max settings and sometimes render some videos

Nope its not a gaming platform LMAO, people that buy x299 for just gaming are two types of people dumb or just want the best of the best and like to waste money, but in most cases a main steam chip like 7700K is better for gaming SLI or not, X299 is an extreme chipset yes you can buy low end CPUs now for the platform, Intel did this to open up the market more also because x299 boards normally get all the candy, but there are also boards like the Rampage 6 extreme which don't even support these filler CPUs, these boards are packed full of overclocking features also, there also chips like Intel Core i9 7980XE you really think people are going to buy this chip just to play games? these chips are for overclocking and workloads.

 

[EarthDog]

how can you say extreme oc when most chips clock only till 4,7ghz

its a gaming platform, HEDT
if you are a streamer, if you also work on your PC, if you want more from your PC - its for you...

not only for people who play in benchmarks

I sold 70+ x299 computers since launch, 51 with SLI(12 with 1070, 6 with 1080 and rest with 1080ti) and I am a tiny(2 ppl) company in poor country

only 4 of these customers are "professional users", others are IT enthusiasts who like to play at max settings and sometimes render some videos

HEDT is not a gaming platform. If you multi-task and need heavy CPU, its for you. They aren't 'made for overclocking' either. They just can. Nothing is really 'made' for overclocking unless you are basing that off an unlocked multiplier.

Truth be told, its not for all benchmarks either. Other chips perform better for reasons at certain tasks. Have you ever heard of Hwbot?

SLI is going the way of the dodo... sorry your "poor country" hasn't quite caught up yet to what is going on.... and that you managed to sell a bunch of SLI systems to people in your "poor country".

Steam stats show it is not used a lot and less and less people using it. Support from nvidia and amd have really been lackluster at best.

 

[LiveOrDie]

They aren't 'made for overclocking' either.

But out off all platforms it would be the closest that there is lol, Asus doesn't spend there time working on these boards just because they have pretty LEDS, also extreme chips have always been marked as overclockers chips, but i do get your point.

 

[EarthDog]

Closest there is? I dont get it. All K/X chips overclock... both platforms can do it just fine. I donr believe one to be any closer than the other personally.

 

[LiveOrDie]

Closest there is? I dont get it. All K/X chips overclock... both platforms can do it just fine. I donr believe one to be any closer than the other personally.

Like as far as extreme overclocking goes the X series boards are normally the ones manufacturers go all out on for overclocking features, plus there is this to.

 

[EarthDog]

I don't agree. The same features in X299 boards are there in Z270/Z370 (and previous generations). I can extreme overclock with both (and have...plenty). That sir, is marketing.

They overclock DIFFERENTLY in some cases, that is true, but they are not built the same either. You can also overclock the mainstream chips further than these many cored monsters.

 

[LiveOrDie]

I don't agree. The same features in X299 boards are there in Z270/Z370 (and previous generations). I can extreme overclock with both (and have...plenty). That sir, is marketing.

They overclock DIFFERENTLY in some cases, that is true, but they are not built the same either. You can also overclock the mainstream chips further than these many cored monsters.

Yes but when has there ever been a CPU on a X series that can't be overclock? or a motherboard that doesn't support OC features? less can be said for main steam platforms, they mite support it more than they use to these days but like you said marketing.

 

[EarthDog]

The "overclocking" picture you posted is marketing is what I am saying.

As I said, the mainstream supported it years ago. Its nothing remotely new. The mainstream doesn't have all unlocked processors though. The reason HEDT platform can always overclock is that the mainstream and its lesser, non-overclocking variants are there and have no place on that platform. Mainstream IS a step down from HEDT, so why cloud up the market that type of crossover????? If you stick to the primary chipset on mainstream, all the boards overclock. Even a chipset down does IIRC. THere are other cheaper variants, you are correct.

The i7 3820 used in X58 was not unlocked and required BCLK only adjustments.

In the end, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[bug]

Not sure why all the debate. HEDT=High End DeskTop.
Anything a desktop can do, these chips should excel at. At least that's how I understand high-end.

Now of course if instead of 10 cores you take a dual core CPU, there's the potential of it overclocking better (because there's less parts to heat up in there), but that aside, the X CPUs are supposed to be the daddy of desktop CPUs. It's that simple.