New pc for work Budget 5000 eur.

[XSI]

Hello,
video rendering and similar, money 5k eur
friend asked for advice, so far:
CPU: Intel Core Extreme i9-7980XE, Octodeca Core, 2.60GHz, 24.75MB, LGA2066, 14nm,BOX

MB: ASUS PRIME X299-A, X299, LGA 2066, 8 x DIMM DDR4, USB 3.1

RAM: ADATA XPG Dazzle DDR4 2x16GB 3000MHz, CL16

Cooler: Noctua NH-D15

PSU: Seasonic Prime Pt 650 650W 80Plus Platinum

What do you think?

 

[Vayra86]

2x16 GB (dual channel) in an x299, way too expensive platform that is surpassed at this point by Threadripper in terms of feature set, core count at similar price point and overall performance.

If you feel like pissing away 5k, great choice. Otherwise, not sensible. You are not using any advantages this platform has on offer.

 

[jboydgolfer]

Jeez that's my car shopping budget

 

[Solaris17]

Thats a powerful CPU. I would not reccomend purchasing one unless you have specific usage cases. If you are just gaming and doing some video editing the lesser CPUs will do the job just fine.

 

[_JP_]

Thats a powerful CPU. I would not reccomend purchasing one unless you have specific usage cases. If you are just gaming and doing some video editing the lesser CPUs will do the job just fine.

Right, AMD 1800X or i7 8700K will do the job and the price difference could net you a 1080Ti.

 

[notb]

Hello,
video rendering and similar, money 5k eur
friend asked for advice, so far:

PC used privately or for work?

If it's for work: is he paying for the PC (freelance / self-employed) or is this a budget his employer gave him?
Either way, don't go for a custom build. Get a Dell Precision Tower workstation or something similar from other Vendors.
For $5k you'll get a fast 12C Xeon or even a dual Xeon setup.

You didn't mention a GPU and you'll need one (at least for the video output). Ask you friend what software he uses. Some video editing programs are very GPU-heavy (like DaVinci Resolve) and some don't use it at all. So in the end you might want to sacrifice some CPU potential for a decent GPGPU performer.

Get minimum of 32 GB RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD for software+caching and a decent RAID 0 storage. Video editing really needs a lot of space...
Does your friend need a capturing device? They are not cheap and will affect the budget for other parts significantly.

If it's a private PC for amateur video editing, custom-built LGA2066 will be fine. Just don't get the 7980XE - it's a top product and there is a large premium for having the fastest CPU.
Any of the more sensible trio: 7900X, 7920X or 7940X will do. Save money for drives.

You can look here for inspiration:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Complete-Video-Editing-Systems/ci/13533/N/4001508871

 

[Rehmanpa]

I guess it would depend on which video editing software you're using? My 4790k doesn't peak at 100% rendering on vegas pro 15 with my gtx 1080 and it set to render using gpu.

PC used privately or for work?

If it's for work: is he paying for the PC (freelance / self-employed) or is this a budget his employer gave him?
Either way, don't go for a custom build. Get a Dell Precision Tower workstation or something similar from other Vendors.
For $5k you'll get a fast 12C Xeon or even a dual Xeon setup.

You didn't mention a GPU and you'll need one (at least for the video output). Ask you friend what software he uses. Some video editing programs are very GPU-heavy (like DaVinci Resolve) and some don't use it at all. So in the end you might want to sacrifice some CPU potential for a decent GPGPU performer.

Get minimum of 32 GB RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD for software+caching and a decent RAID 0 storage. Video editing really needs a lot of space...
Does your friend need a capturing device? They are not cheap and will affect the budget for other parts significantly.

If it's a private PC for amateur video editing, custom-built LGA2066 will be fine. Just don't get the 7980XE - it's a top product and there is a large premium for having the fastest CPU.
Any of the more sensible trio: 7900X, 7920X or 7940X will do. Save money for drives.

You can look here for inspiration:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Complete-Video-Editing-Systems/ci/13533/N/4001508871

Raid zero is not worth it over the risk IMO. I would get maybe a 1tb 960 pro and then make occasional backups with it onto a backup HDD. The problem with raid zero is you have twice the risk for virtually no noticeable performance difference since NVME ssds already are extremely fast.

Xeons are over priced and not as effective as consumer grade chips. I would not pay the xeon tax if I were him. 32GB of ram is minimal IMO for such a powerful PC. I have 32GB in mine and I really never use anywhere close to it, but at some point quadchannel 16gbs dimms would be really cool, but I doubt the performance difference justifies the added cost.

 

[notb]

Raid zero is not worth it over the risk IMO. I would get maybe a 1tb 960 pro and then make occasional backups with it onto a backup HDD. The problem with raid zero is you have twice the risk for virtually no noticeable performance difference since NVME ssds already are extremely fast.

I suggested RAID 0 for writing speed boost. Of course RAID 1 is recommended for safety, but you should backup anyway.
As for a 1TB SSD... what you have to remember is that we're talking about video editing. A single 1TB drive will most likely be way too small.
1 minute of high-bitrate 4K video can take anything between 2 and 10 GB. And on your single SSD you'll have to fit an input, an output and provide some space for caching as well...
8TB seems like a good minimum.

Xeons are over priced and not as effective as consumer grade chips.

Xeons are not overpriced. You simply pay for few more things than you would in a consumer chip.
But yes, they tend to be a bit more expensive. That's why I only recommended them if this is for commercial use.

32GB of ram is minimal IMO for such a powerful PC.

It is enough for 4K editing. OP can upgrade that to 64GB, if he'll have some leftover cash in this budget. Anything above 64GB is pointless.

 

[Rehmanpa]

I suggested RAID 0 for writing speed boost. Of course RAID 1 is recommended for safety, but you should backup anyway.
As for a 1TB SSD... what you have to remember is that we're talking about video editing. A single 1TB drive will most likely be way too small.
1 minute of high-bitrate 4K video can take anything between 2 and 10 GB. And on your single SSD you'll have to fit an input, an output and provide some space for caching as well...
8TB seems like a good minimum.

Xeons are not overpriced. You simply pay for few more things than you would in a consumer chip.
But yes, they tend to be a bit more expensive. That's why I only recommended them if this is for commercial use.

It is enough for 4K editing. OP can upgrade that to 64GB, if he'll have some leftover cash in this budget. Anything above 64GB is pointless.

I would suggest a 2TB 850 EVO personally. It's got plenty of space, lots of speed for video editing, and it's reliable technology. I've used many 850 evo series (personally I have a 1tb 850 evo and a 2tb 850 pro) and they're awesome. Alternatively the Crucial MX550 series from what I was reading here on TPU are also very solid SSDs and they're quite a bit cheaper than the samsung variants.

Xeons are ridiculously expensive. The i7 8700k and the whole skylake x lineup shreds them. There is no real reason to buy them when you have the cheaper Intel consumer grade platforms or you have Threadripper. With the newer gen of Threadripper launching within the next two months (February I believe?) that will help a lot with the higher IPC of the intel processors and with the higher core count of threadripper, the lower platform cost and the superior platform features it is something that I would personally wait for. I don't know what the OPs timeframe to build this PC in, but I would heavily advise against going with xeons. From personal experience with using dual xeon boards, they offer extra cores at the expense of things like overclocking, which can help depending on the application. I mean there is some truth in the whole he's better off with less CPU and a better GPU for video rendering because the GPU acceleration has come along way in the last few years. What used to pin my i7 4790k at 100% for hours on end now only gets up to about 80% and takes a fraction of the time with my gtx 1080.

 

[notb]

I would suggest a 2TB 850 EVO personally. It's got plenty of space, lots of speed for video editing, and it's reliable technology. I've used many 850 evo series (personally I have a 1tb 850 evo and a 2tb 850 pro) and they're awesome. Alternatively the Crucial MX550 series from what I was reading here on TPU are also very solid SSDs and they're quite a bit cheaper than the samsung variants.

Video editing / encoding is just way too slow to use NVMe potential. A single fast HDD (100MB/s) might bottleneck the system with a fast CPU, but 200-300 MB/s should be enough. I suggested a RAID HDD setup for a reason.

From personal experience with using dual xeon boards, they offer extra cores at the expense of things like overclocking, which can help depending on the application.

I assumed OC is totally out of the question, if he's a video guy and he asks a friend to build a PC.
Also... why would anyone overclock a video editing workstation? Pointless.

Also, I've precisely asked if this is for amateur use or for work. OP didn't respond yet and it really impacts the choice drastically.
If we're talking about amateur video editing at home, it can be a custom-built PC with a consumer CPU, although - given a budget of $5k - I'd go for a higher core count than 6 (more like a 7920X-7940X).
If it's for work, I'd definitely go for a vendor workstation because of the support and simplicity (and in the $5k range it will be Xeon-based). I assume a video editor / cinematographer has better things to do than solve issues with his PC.

I know that for you (and most people on this forum) building a custom PC and pushing OC is the way to go, but this is not a PC for you. You have to consider the clients' needs a bit.

 

[John Naylor]

For your stated usage ... focus on what you are doing and you can see here what works best. While the mentioned AMD CPUs offer some cross platform (workstation / gaming platform) thats not your stated usage. I'm making the assumption the Premiere will be the editing software in usage.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-Performance-Core-i9-7940X-7960X-7980XE-1034/

What is important here is return on investment ... for the hobbyist, the tendency would be to 'go cheap" with a $1,000 CPU. But when time is money, investing money in faster hardware , can pay for itself in a matter of weeks. If in between the 7940x may be ya sweetspot.

2nd in rendering performance
2nd in export performance
1st in Warp stablize performance
1st in Playback performance

With a 5k budget, there are plenty of slower things that would work just as well ... but with the budget you have, no reason to scrimp.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i9-7940X 3.1GHz 14-Core Processor (€1399.95 @ LDLC)
You have the budget for more, but the extra $600 isn't really bringing a lot ome... if ya see the need, you do have the budget

CPU Cooler: Scythe - FUMA 79.0 CFM CPU Cooler (€67.79 @ Amazon France)
The Fuma perform as well as the NH-D15 and saves money

Motherboard: Asus - TUF X299 MARK 2 ATX LGA2066 Motherboard (€294.95 @ LDLC)
Its a work box, skip the LCD foolishness.

Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (€412.10 @ Amazon France)
DDR4-3200 CAS 14

Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Evolv ATX Glass ATX Mid Tower Case (€219.95 @ Amazon France)
Elegant case for an office environment with outsanding features and with accompanying fans, indistinguishable nois elevels

Power Supply: SeaSonic - PRIME Titanium 750W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€241.46 @ Amazon France)
The 650s I don't think has the necessary EPS connectors.

Total: €2636.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-03 02:17 CET+0100

That's 50% of ya budget.

Not enough info to address ya storage needs ... what size will be the typical project ?
But I'd want at least a 250 GB SSD for OS and programs, and given the insignificant cost, perhaps duplicate SSD as a alternate boot if "up time" is critical. I have twin 250 GB SSDs in main office workstation which also serves as a light duty data server for other boxes. If I lose the SSD, or OS gets fudged, I just hit BIOS and boot from other one. A 500 GB scratch drive as a minimum and archival storage either on board or available in a NAS.

As was mentioned, what software you use will have a deciding impact on what you need for a GFX card. Good reading here.
https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm

Also what else will ya do ... any "after hours" activity ? In our case , the best cards for 2D / 3D AutoCAD are the best gaming cards. Guys that do CAD rendering, want Quadro cards

A big Xeon workstation is another option but note sure there's an ROI for you there. And with vendor's inclination to make everything proprietary, I'm hesitant to recommend 'going there'. I's look at what people are selling with YOUR chosen software, and choose accordingly.

 

[Rehmanpa]

Before this gets turned into a salt fest I would ask which editing program the OP uses? If he uses premiere vs Vegas or something like blender or if he does anything else besides strictly video editing because a lot of editers do more than just strictly edit video and that could have a profound impact on the recommended build. Also I really don't think raid 0 is a good idea... a nice fast big ssd would suffice and a sata one is plenty fast enough for Vegas pro so you don't need the crazy nvme ones. Also I wouldn't recommend a spinner disk because they're painfully slow. Now that I've gone ssd route I don't ever want to go back to spinners.

I also suggested overclocking just because some programs really can benefit from overclocking and it can be a pretty easy way to get some relatively free performance out of your cpu. If you went with threadripper the ryzen master software actually works amazingly well. Again depending on the programs if they can use multiple gpus for rendering he might be better off with a threadripper build and 2 1080tis

 

[eidairaman1]

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ded-from-intel-vt-flaw-kernel-patches.240187/

 

[XSI]

Thx to all the answers. I will let you know the progress on this.
Some answers:

Program: Mostly Adobe premier pro. Editing + rendering.
OC: It will be overclocked up to 4,5 Ghz maybe.
Budget is from EU (Euro Union) so 5k is not his personal money, so the best possible build. Build for work only (maybe he will play games there after hours i don't know)
GPU: 1080 or maybe 1080ti.
SSD - Probably 2TB. M2 Like Samsung 960 Pro
HDD - if needed 8-10 TB
PSU - probably will go up to 850w or more gold/platinum
Ram - 64 GB not 32.

• John Naylor special thx to You.

 

[FireFox]

SSD - Probably 2GB. M2 Like Samsung 960 Pro
HDD - if needed 8-10 GB

Let me see if i get that.

SSD - Probably 2GB. M2 Like Samsung 960 Pro

HDD - if needed 8-10 GB

1 - SSD 2GB or you meant 2TB?

2 - HDD 8-10GB or you meant 8-10TB?

I am confused because so far as i know there isn't a M2 Samsung 960 Pro 2GB plus how are you going to install the OS into a 2GB SSD let's say/pretend even if they would exist

 

[XSI]

Let me see if i get that.


1 - SSD 2GB or you meant 2TB?

2 - HDD 8-10GB or you meant 8-10TB?

I am confused because so far as i know there isn't a M2 Samsung 960 Pro 2GB plus how are you going to install the OS into a 2GB SSD let's say/pretend even if they would exist

YES sorry, we are in TB era. simply wrong letters i meant Terabytes of course

 

[notb]

Program: Mostly Adobe premier pro. Editing + rendering.

It utilizes GPU pretty well, so definitely a 1080 is in order - good choice.

It will be overclocked up to 4,5 Ghz maybe.

If you really want that... Just make sure it has a meaningful impact on the video tasks, because it will definitely impact the working conditions...

Budget is from EU (Euro Union) so 5k is not his personal money, so the best possible build. Build for work only (maybe he will play games there after hours i don't know)

So definitely 7940X with a good mobo - @John Naylor suggested very decent parts indeed. I would go for a solid case, because for some people blinking LEDs can be a huge pain when working with graphics (even if the case is under the desk).

If the buyer hasn't got a monitor, you'll have to put that in the budget as well.
A good one (with good colour coverage and accuracy, supporting calibration) will cost over $1000. Check the Eizo CS2730 and NEC PA272W. Dell has a nice pro lineup as well (PremierColor), but Eizo and NEC are safer choices.

A sufficient external backup is ~$500 and Adobe Premier Pro license is $600/year, but your friend might already have both.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

John Naylors build is good, but id opt for a Fractal Design case such as the Define R5 instead of the Phantek.

 

[erixx]

Budget is from EU (Euro Union) so 5k is not his personal money

as an Eurocitizen.... This leaves me thinking... Someone is lucky! It just sounds terrific "Budget is from EU"... Of course it must be some support program... Feel free to give details, just in case I can benefit :-D

 

[notb]

as an Eurocitizen.... This leaves me thinking... Someone is lucky! It just sounds terrific "Budget is from EU"... Of course it must be some support program... Feel free to give details, just in case I can benefit :-D

In EU you have all kinds of funding programmes, so it's not really about being lucky. It's more about knowing this is possible, finding something for you and proposing an interesting business case.
There are 2 kinds of financial help you can apply for: non-return sums or subsidized credits. Of course there are some requirements that you have to meet.
You can read more here:
https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/funding-grants/eu-programmes/index_en.htm
or, for example, here:
http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=836

The programmes differ. It could be something general (like $5k for starting a new business if you're unemployed) or something very specific. Sometimes they are EU-wide, sometimes very local (like just for a county or a city).
Example:
In my region there's a programme for providing fast internet (guaranteed 30Mb/s) in places that don't have it yet. The subvention is for 80% of the costs - a lot for something that seems like a good business anyway. Of course there are some obligations included: AFAIK you can't quit it for few years, you can't make this service too expensive and so on.
Total budget for projects accepted for this programme in current period (December 2017 - April 2018) is 70 mln EUR. Not bad at all.

 

[erixx]

Just... cool! Thanks for the information. Good luck with your project! I pften see support for start-ups (previously known as beginners) but I am an established selfemployed and closer to retirement, so it is just envy!