Major Intel CPU Hardware Vulnerability Found

Final_Fighter · Jan 6, 2018

notb said:
Yup, Intel doesn't care about all that. Nor does the other 99.9% of human race. You have to live with that.
You're benchmarking your system at least once a month? For how long has this been going on? Seriously?

its the people who benchmark systems that recommend products and give good reviews and hype a product. would you have bought your system if it was 10% slower then the competition? not likely unless the price reflected that. the products you are running might have not gotten as much publicity either.

Benchmarkers matter.

FYFI13 · Jan 6, 2018

Has anyone done some testing in online FPS shooters? I'm experiencing weird lag in Arma 3 with the patch installed. Enemy vehicles literally teleporting in steps of 5-10 meters instead of driving normally. Uninstalling patch seems to help a lot. Just curious.

Final_Fighter · Jan 6, 2018

FYFI13 said:
Has anyone done some testing in online FPS shooters? I'm experiencing weird lag in Arma 3 with the patch installed. Enemy vehicles literally teleporting in steps of 5-10 meters instead of driving normally. Uninstalling patch seems to help a lot. Just curious.

hopefully its just your system experiencing this. that will be extremely bad if this effects everybody like you just said. only time will tell.

HTC · Jan 6, 2018

FYFI13 said:
Has anyone done some testing in online FPS shooters? I'm experiencing weird lag in Arma 3 with the patch installed. Enemy vehicles literally teleporting in steps of 5-10 meters instead of driving normally. Uninstalling patch seems to help a lot. Just curious.

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/intel...c-shows-performance-impact-on-gaming-servers/

Courtesy of @pigulici ,from this post.

FireFox · Jan 6, 2018

HTC said:
It's a good thing that you can be attacked by this by something external to your PC then: Take a look @notb 's post link (which i quote below) and scroll down to the "microsoft" section, just below the blue background pic and start reading from there.

It's a good thing this can't affect you then, right? Oh wait ...

What would they could steal, my Steam and Origin account password? if so i don't care

HTC · Jan 6, 2018

Knoxx29 said:
What would they could steal, my Steam and Origin account password? if so i don't care

Good for you ... :rolleyes:

FilipM · Jan 6, 2018

I reveived an update today, but it is different tnan what you people get

KB4056891...Weird

FireFox · Jan 6, 2018

HTC said:
Good for you ...

Nah, I am just more realistic and less paranoid. :laugh:

64K · Jan 6, 2018

Intel released a list of CPUs affected by Spectre and Meltdown..............

Intel® Core™ i3 processor (45nm and 32nm)
Intel® Core™ i5 processor (45nm and 32nm)
Intel® Core™ i7 processor (45nm and 32nm)
Intel® Core™ M processor family (45nm and 32nm)
2nd generation Intel® Core™ processors
3rd generation Intel® Core™ processors
4th generation Intel® Core™ processors
5th generation Intel® Core™ processors
6th generation Intel® Core™ processors
7th generation Intel® Core™ processors
8th generation Intel® Core™ processors
Intel® Core™ X-series Processor Family for Intel® X99 platforms
Intel® Core™ X-series Processor Family for Intel® X299 platforms
Intel® Xeon® processor 3400 series
Intel® Xeon® processor 3600 series
Intel® Xeon® processor 5500 series
Intel® Xeon® processor 5600 series
Intel® Xeon® processor 6500 series
Intel® Xeon® processor 7500 series
Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v2 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v3 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v4 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v5 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v6 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor E5 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor E5 v2 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor E5 v3 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor E5 v4 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor E7 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor E7 v2 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor E7 v3 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor E7 v4 Family
Intel® Xeon® Processor Scalable Family
Intel® Xeon Phi™ Processor 3200, 5200, 7200 Series
Intel® Atom™ Processor C Series
Intel® Atom™ Processor E Series
Intel® Atom™ Processor A Series
Intel® Atom™ Processor x3 Series
Intel® Atom™ Processor Z Series
Intel® Celeron® Processor J Series
Intel® Celeron® Processor N Series

As you can see it's just a few CPUs. What are the odds that very many people will have one of those anyway?

RejZoR · Jan 6, 2018

Hm, what about Atom X5 Z8300 ? They list X3 and Z series separately. Was X3 different series than X5 and X7 and the later two fall into a Z series? A bit confused there...

HTC · Jan 6, 2018

Knoxx29 said:
Nah, I am just more realistic and less paranoid.

Attention all hackers: this dude doesn't care if you steal his Steam and Origin passwords!

FireFox · Jan 6, 2018

HTC said:
Attention all hackers: this dude doesn't care if you steal his Steam and Origin passwords!

Is it that important for you an Origin and Steam password? Or maybe you think i have my Credit card or any personal information on both platforms :rolleyes:

For me isn't.

TheoneandonlyMrK · Jan 6, 2018

64K said:
Intel released a list of CPUs affected by Spectre and Meltdown..............

Intel® Core™ i3 processor (45nm and 32nm)

Intel® Core™ i5 processor (45nm and 32nm)

Intel® Core™ i7 processor (45nm and 32nm)

Intel® Core™ M processor family (45nm and 32nm)

2nd generation Intel® Core™ processors

3rd generation Intel® Core™ processors

4th generation Intel® Core™ processors

5th generation Intel® Core™ processors

6th generation Intel® Core™ processors

7th generation Intel® Core™ processors

8th generation Intel® Core™ processors

Intel® Core™ X-series Processor Family for Intel® X99 platforms

Intel® Core™ X-series Processor Family for Intel® X299 platforms

Intel® Xeon® processor 3400 series

Intel® Xeon® processor 3600 series

Intel® Xeon® processor 5500 series

Intel® Xeon® processor 5600 series

Intel® Xeon® processor 6500 series

Intel® Xeon® processor 7500 series

Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v2 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v3 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v4 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v5 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v6 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor E5 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor E5 v2 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor E5 v3 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor E5 v4 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor E7 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor E7 v2 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor E7 v3 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor E7 v4 Family

Intel® Xeon® Processor Scalable Family

Intel® Xeon Phi™ Processor 3200, 5200, 7200 Series

Intel® Atom™ Processor C Series

Intel® Atom™ Processor E Series

Intel® Atom™ Processor A Series

Intel® Atom™ Processor x3 Series

Intel® Atom™ Processor Z Series

Intel® Celeron® Processor J Series

Intel® Celeron® Processor N Series

As you can see it's just a few CPUs. What are the odds that very many people will have one of those anyway?

This should be pinned to the Op, it's very useful, apparently i need a new phone as asus aren't patching zenphone2s ever.
Now im aggrieved ,OoO effin idiots.

FireFox · Jan 6, 2018

okidna said:
Run "winver" command and you will see your full Windows version.

R0H1T said:
Another way to see how you're vulnerable ~ https://github.com/ionescu007/SpecuCheck
View attachment 95594

Ahhzz · Jan 8, 2018

https://www.techspot.com/news/72625-epic-games-blames-fortnite-issues-meltdown-patches.html

"Epic also released a chart showing the impact on CPU usage of one of its back-end servers after it was patched. It shows CPU utilization jumping around 20 percent following the application of the Meltdown patches."

Vayra86 · Jan 8, 2018

Ahhzz said:
https://www.techspot.com/news/72625-epic-games-blames-fortnite-issues-meltdown-patches.html

"Epic also released a chart showing the impact on CPU usage of one of its back-end servers after it was patched. It shows CPU utilization jumping around 20 percent following the application of the Meltdown patches."

They will need more Intel cores to fix that problem.

Wait...

RejZoR · Jan 9, 2018

Ahhzz said:
https://www.techspot.com/news/72625-epic-games-blames-fortnite-issues-meltdown-patches.html

"Epic also released a chart showing the impact on CPU usage of one of its back-end servers after it was patched. It shows CPU utilization jumping around 20 percent following the application of the Meltdown patches."

They wouldn't have those issues with AMD servers XD

_JP_ · Jan 9, 2018

RejZoR said:
They wouldn't have those issues with AMD servers XD

Depends, panic-induced patching can affect AMD in performance too, just because it is a rainbow-herbicide-type move.

RejZoR · Jan 9, 2018

_JP_ said:
Depends, panic-induced patching can affect AMD in performance too, just because it is a rainbow-herbicide-type move.

Then it's at least a clear cut who to blame. Sticking a Meltdown patch on AMD systems can only be interpreted as intentional act to make AMD look bad. There is NO other explanation to it. Microsoft can target things based on endless variables. Sticking it to AMD systems can only mean they are either incompetent or doing it deliberately.

notb · Jan 9, 2018

_JP_ said:
Depends, panic-induced patching can affect AMD in performance too, just because it is a rainbow-herbicide-type move.

You guys don't read news a lot... It seems Spectre patches for Windows make some AMD systems unbootable.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...security-update-block-for-some-amd-based-devi

_JP_ · Jan 9, 2018

notb said:
You guys don't read news a lot... It seems Spectre patches for Windows make some AMD systems unbootable.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...security-update-block-for-some-amd-based-devi

I do. And there's a news article on TPU's front page.
K8 arch affected so far, by reports.
Microsoft claiming AMD didn't provide the right information regarding its chipsets and claiming no liability for not testing it doesn't abide for them* and proves my point.

*Releasing patches as "Security - Critical" without proper testing usually creates a mess. And it did.

RejZoR said:
Sticking a Meltdown patch on AMD systems can only be interpreted as intentional act to make AMD look bad.

Well, that would be quite a feat, actually, since Meltdown is Intel exclusive. So there shouldn't be one to begin with.
EDIT: I meant with my reply, blinded, "anything goes" patching against Spectre, that affects both Intel and AMD. Patching done by Linux and Microsoft should take into consideration that the way each architecture executes an instruction, common x86 arch aside.

notb · Jan 9, 2018

_JP_ said:
Microsoft claiming AMD didn't provide the right information regarding its chipsets and claiming no liability for not testing it doesn't abide for them* and proves my point.

You don't believe them?
Remember when Ryzen launched and mobo/cooler manufacturers also said that everything is delayed because AMD didn't share information early enough?
You think it's an industry-wide conspiracy against AMD?

*Releasing patches as "Security - Critical" without proper testing usually creates a mess. And it did.

Of course it did. That's why there is an embargo. The information became public too early (and AFAIK it was released by a guy from AMD...)

Well, that would be quite a feat, actually, since Meltdown is Intel exclusive. So there shouldn't be one to begin with.

The particular attack technique may be. The flaw is not - AMD has the same security issue.

Ahhzz · Jan 9, 2018

notb said:
.... The information became public too early (and AFAIK it was released by a guy from AMD...)

.....

No spreading FUD, please.
Meltdown was discovered independently by Jann Horn from Google's Project Zero, Werner Haas and Thomas Prescher from Cyberus Technology, as well as Daniel Gruss, Moritz Lipp, Stefan Mangard and Michael Schwarz from Graz University of Technology.[19] The same research teams that discovered Meltdown also discovered a related CPU security vulnerability now called Spectre

Deleted member 163934 · Jan 9, 2018

_JP_ said:
K8 arch affected so far, by reports.

They don't provide this patch for all AMD cpus? The pc with an intel cpu shows the patch in wu, but the one with my athlon ii x4 640 (k10) doesn't show the patch (both run same windows version and are updated in same time).

_JP_ · Jan 9, 2018

notb said:
You don't believe them?
Remember when Ryzen launched and mobo/cooler manufacturers also said that everything is delayed because AMD didn't share information early enough?
You think it's an industry-wide conspiracy against AMD?

Of course it did. That's why there is an embargo. The information became public too early (and AFAIK it was released by a guy from AMD...)

The particular attack technique may be. The flaw is not - AMD has the same security issue.

I have to, but I believe Microsoft is trying to shake some guilt off over the mess done, so that the line of fire remains aimed at CPU makers.
Ryzen was a completely different situation. New tech being released vs. early support being pushed within NDA period.
Conspiracies against AMD? please...

thedukesd1 said:
They don't provide this patch for all AMD cpus? The pc with an intel cpu shows the patch in wu, but the one with my athlon ii x4 640 (k10) doesn't show the patch (both run same windows version and are updated in same time).

Microsoft was providing the patch for every system, issue arised on older AMD processors/chipsets. Microsoft has since halted patching for AMD-detected systems.

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