Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[PHaS3]

Question. What would be hotter, CPU socket temp or CPU? HWinfo still gives me either a 50 or 70 degree temp on CPU on Prime at 3.82Ghz at 1.39v.
On a good air cooler. Pretty sure the 20 degree off set is being wrongly applied to the higher temp reading. When stopping Prime, CPU socket is hotter than CPU.

On my 1700, idle for example the CPU will report 30.5°C, and the "other" temp called CPU PECI on mine will report 40°C. I trust the CPU temp more I think. Here's some shots:
(Columns are "Current", "Minimum", "Maximum", Average")

CPU Only:

CPU and PECI as reported by the motherboard:

I believe AUXTIN2 is my VRMs, im not 100% sure. PECI must be the same as your Socket temp, but again I'm not 100% sure. If anyone else knows more, please feel free to correct me

 

[YautjaLord]

@the54thvoid: when, if, you have the one of Ryzens with X suffix, in my case (1700X) for example tDie means your actual/real temp & tCtl is HWInfo's way of telling the XFR's thermal ceiling if i understand it properly, it's AMD's coveted +20°C offset, that's given; when you load up any test you should watch tdie/CPU value more than tCtl's. Here are the link(s):
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/03/amds-ryzen-cpus-arent-running-as-hot-as-they-say-they-are/
https://hardforum.com/threads/ryzen-temperature-confusion.1928806/ (3rd post)
Was also searching for this info as well few weeks back, if not more, make Google your friend for this stuff too.

 

[the54thvoid]

^ I've googled plenty but there are no clear answers. I think the higher value of the two is the actual reading.
I know some folk still think you definitely drop 20 degrees for actual but I think that correction has been made and still mobo manufacturers are applying a further offset.
Example being ambient overclocked CPU temp of 17 degrees when idle. Room temp is about that. No way an air-cooler at ultra slow RPM keeps a CPU at room temp.

 

[GoldenX]

Put it to 60º, try with your own finger on the heatsink. This technique has been passed down the Armstrong family line for generations.

Testing a different approach to memory overlcocking, I'm now at 3GHz instead of 3,2, but at CL16 (XMP latencies for the stock 2,4GHz), a lot better performance than on CL18.

 

[dhklopp]

Finally got around to putting the build together, I'm now a proud member of the club. Time to install some games now .

 

[theonek]

Finally got around to putting the build together, I'm now a proud member of the club. Time to install some games now .

hmmm, 1800x, that's more like it! Just didn't overclock mine yet, but it behaves very good on stock.

 

[dhklopp]

hmmm, 1800x, that's more like it! Just didn't overclock mine yet, but it behaves very good on stock.

Its was reduced to £260 odd on Amazon so I thought bollocks to it.

 

[phanbuey]

'ssup you two, make me 3rd (for about ~2 months actually), only with GA-AX370 Gaming K7, rest you can see in my sys specs.

Super XP, 1700X overclocked to 3.9GHz is on par with 1800X & beating it when @ 4.0GHz, wait for 2nd gen Ryzens (Pinnacle Ridge), will be better investment. I know i will buy one along with Zen-based APU. I have really hard time not recommending the regular Ryzens over Threadrippers. Runs circles around any FXs & i7s in multithreaded applications, more than decent in any games i have, soon will test DOOM 4/2016 & Quake Champions once will purchase these 2 games. Only rant i have, if you will, is my 1700X have so far hard time hitting 4.0GHz, but i also have 1700 non-X, that one can hit that frequency easy according to multitude of YT & regular reviews, so i'm ok. You did good, only reason to be sorry that you didn't purchased Threadrippers is either if you have unlimited amount of money or if you Linus/JayzTwoCents/Elric Phalres/etc... jk You got multithreaded beast & more than decent gaming CPU if you have really fast RAM, TridentZ in particular. Make sure to update EFI ASAP tho, if you OC RAM, it will only get better especially in gaming, AGESA 1.0.0.6 unlocks RAM frequencies all the way to DDR4 4000MHz. Good to see you 2 here, good luck. Cheers.

Your 1700x at 3.9ghz actually beats an 1800x at stock... i know because my 1800x at stock was about 5-15% slower than it was locked at 3.9...

 

[trickson]

You know I would love to get this CPU of mine to 4GHz. But I have no idea how to setup the voltages in the bios, There are so many now, OMG what are half of them?
And the acronyms WTH? I can't even begin to describe them and there for voltage? What happened to user friendly? Once I get some time I will post up some bios screen shots and ask for help may start a new thread as to not mess this one up. But so far this is what I have with out any voltage changes, As I can not begin to figure out safe levels let alone the acronyms!

 

[YautjaLord]

Your 1700x at 3.9ghz actually beats an 1800x at stock... i know because my 1800x at stock was about 5-15% slower than it was locked at 3.9...

God, i hope they optimized Quake Champions open Beta, AvP3/2010 goes beyond 200fps @ 1920x1080 everything maxed out, game & D3D11 benchmark. The most resource hogging among games I have, Carmageddon: Max Damage (crazy physics, Yebis3 lighting/post processing, etc...) gives 70/80+ fps minimum at the same settings. DOOM (4/2016) & Quake Champions should put this rig (& CPU especially) to the test. Flare X is awesome RAM performance & aesthetics-wise, sits @ 3200MHz/1.35v with the help of XMP (yes, mobo has XMP option, the "irony" - intel tech on AMD board lol jk) & once i'll have this baby i'll see if 4.0 &/or even 4.1GHz is doable. Cheers, test da f*ck out of your 1800X.

 

[ArbitraryAffection]

Herro. My first post here

I updated my MSI B350 PC MATE to latest bios and tried 3600 MHz C16-18-18 with my 3200mhz c14 ram kit and it booted to windows but wasn't stable for 5 minutes in AIDA 64 (Test failed) Using the "Memory try it!" feature... it's not my ram because i have it on good authority that this kit can do 4GHz OC (the previous owner has an 8700K). *shrugs*

But been running 3200 MHz c14 without problems even on previous bios.

My OC is 4.1 GHz at 1.42V but droop to 1.402 under load. Seems stable so far 67C max temps on AIDA64 with H110i cooler. Gotta love that solder

Plan is to get a 2800X on launch if they can do 4.5GHz+

 

[Super XP]

Plan is to get a 2800X on launch if they can do 4.5GHz+

A 2800X? I am all for a upgrade, but I just got the 1700X lol

 

[ArbitraryAffection]

A 2800X? I am all for a upgrade, but I just got the 1700X lol

A great CPU Will serve you well for a long time. And with AM4, you know your board is good for a couple years of the latest architectures if you do decide to upgrade it's all just a quick CPU swap rather than changing boards.

 

[YautjaLord]

Can any one of you guys confirm that 32GB of RAM (Flare X 4x8GB) won't limit RAM frequency to 2400MHz? Aside from Quake Champions 16GB requirement (in Recommended), i need it for my modding/work in Blender: textures will be in 8192x8192 range with all UV/relief/displacement mapping, all the heavy & therefore yummy stuff. Plus i got spoiled by all 4 RAM banks/slots filled like in this pic.

These were the ones i wanted, b4 eventually getting Flare X 2x8GB sticks, i still wanna have these in my life, along with Flare X, hell add Trident Z RGBs into the mix as well. Cheers, thanx in advance.

 

[Super XP]

Check the motherboard Ram list. But I think if you populate all for DIMMs, it might limit the overall speed.

 

[trickson]

I guess like always AMD once again is a let down. Seems to me the Ryzen CPU as fast as some think it is, Is far from that! Looks like it is RAM dependent and needs a powerful video card with LOTS of video RAM too.
I am NOT pleased at all. what a waste.
a 6 year old Intel core i5 smokes the hell out of a Ryzen 3 1300X! Jesus! What a fing debacle! This System should have been free but NO it cost me like $500 bucks and going up. Looks like I will need to ADD more RAM to see if it can even manage any kind of speed at all. What a sorry POS waste of money! AMD needs to FIRE there entire R&D department NOW! Or close there doors! I can't even GIVE this system away for an i5! JESUS! I have so much HATE for AMD NOW! PURE HATE!
I am poor and can't afford to just run out like you guys I am Kenny! NOT Cartman!

 

[PHaS3]

You’re a funny guy. The other day you were raving about how awesome your FX8300 was, now you’re bashing on Ryzen and AMD must fire their R&D team.

Ryzen is a massive improvement and a great product. I have no issues with my 1700, so maybe if you’re looking for top performance you shouldn’t buy the lowest end cpu. That cpu is meant as competition for an i3 and you’re crying that an i5 “smokes” it.

Funny, funny guy.

 

[trickson]

A 6 year old one yes! The FX is faster than it too with only 4gb RAM! That makes me happy!

 

[GoldenX]

Show me one bench where the FX is faster, and it's not thanks to it's 8 threads. Oh, and learn to overclock RAM if you bough cheap ones.

 

[PHaS3]

OMG This CPU is just a beast! For $130.00 Dollars it is an absolute fantastic CPU! Just a beast! Can't wait to get it to 4Ghz!

What happened between then and now?

 

[GoldenX]

A bad Windows installation?

 

[phanbuey]

you can always sell all the other rigs and get together a i5-8400 system or a i3-8100 for more oomf.

 

[YautjaLord]

@Super XP: Being Google'ing for this stuff, GB manual & mobo's webpage for that matter, didn't give definite answer, closest was some forum or AMD reddit, guy said after some EFI update his 3000MHz RAM was running @ 2993MHz with all 4 RAM banks/slots filled. The models i'll build for game will be packed with all the latest & greatest of UV/displacement/etc... it'll probably chew thru my 16GB of RAM like nothing.

 

[GoldenX]

The first reports were for old AGESA versions, maybe with the current ones you can get good clocks on 4 DIMMs, I really hope so, I want to go to 16GB when prices go down.

 

[R-T-B]

The first reports were for old AGESA versions, maybe with the current ones you can get good clocks on 4 DIMMs, I really hope so, I want to go to 16GB when prices go down.

Get samsung b-dies if you can. Running 4x8GBs on my 1800x right now.