Xeon Owners Club

[Zyll Goliat]

yes bro really thanks alot for the advise!

dropping of the V really make a big diff in temp =D

my cinebench results float around 899~902 currently.

for now im leting it rest at 4ghz. till next week i will try to up it abit more when i am free from my projects and see how much juice i can get from the current setting. by then i will also try the ram settings too! =D

and also... does ram type make a different? comparing value ram and slightly "premium" ram like Corsair Vengeance?

NP.....sure the V is the key to the temps,I personally prefer even a bit lower CPU clock if I can have much lower V/power consumption/and temps,the key is to find the right balance(like everything in the life).....Your cinebench score is right where it should be for that CPU speed maybe some minor tweaking could improve that score for 1%-2%(Including RAM speed,Windows settings)...When it comes to RAM type most of the time is just marketing gimmicks and that "premium"feeling that you get it´s because people payed more for them....I mean sure those RAM are sometimes cherry picked and have fancy-coolers on them they should do better timings and better speed(not always)but as I said before all those thing are mostly negligible in your every day life.....

 

[kelun1]

NP.....sure the V is the key to the temps,I personally prefer even a bit lower CPU clock if I can have much lower V(power consumption)and temps the key is to find the right balance(like everything in the life).....Your cinebench score is right where it should be for that CPU speed maybe some minor tweaking could improve that score for 1%-2%(Including RAM speed,Windows settings)...When it comes to RAM type most of the time is just marketing gimmicks and that "premium"feeling that you get it´s because people payed more for them....I mean sure those RAM are sometimes cherry picked and have fancy-coolers on them they should do better timings and better speed(not always)but as I said before all those thing are mostly negligible in your every day life.....

Noted about the V point of view.

ahhh this really enlight me. so i will still aim for value ram or ecc ram from china then! =D

really thank you very much bro for the pointers!

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Noted about the V point of view.

ahhh this really enlight me. so i will still aim for value ram or ecc ram from china then! =D

really thank you very much bro for the pointers!

Sure but be careful with the ECC RAM because some mobo do not support them or support only unbuffered ECC......in short The basic difference is that memory commands in unbuffered memory configurations go directly from the controller to the memory module, while in registered memory configurations the commands are sent first to the memory banks’ registers prior to being sent to the modules.I personally using just non-ECC regular 3x8Gb modules that I have from my previous AMD FX setup.......

 

[kelun1]

Sure but be careful with the ECC RAM because some mobo do not support them or support only unbuffered ECC......in short The basic difference is that memory commands in unbuffered memory configurations go directly from the controller to the memory module, while in registered memory configurations the commands are sent first to the memory banks’ registers prior to being sent to the modules.I personally using just non-ECC regular 3x8Gb modules that I have from my previous AMD FX setup.......

on regards to this i did read up and one guy who did some sharing on regards to him setting up 6 * 8gb with his x58.

he did reply to my question on try not to get registered memory. so i am looking around too to confirm before i make the purchase too.

and today you are the 2nd one who mentioned about this. haha.

so i think registered is a no go! =D

 

[FireFox]

on regards to this i did read up and one guy who did some sharing on regards to him setting up 6 * 8gb with his x58.

he did reply to my question on try not to get registered memory. so i am looking around too to confirm before i make the purchase too.

and today you are the 2nd one who mentioned about this. haha.

so i think registered is a no go! =D

You're not setting up a server, that said, forget about registered Ram.

and also... does ram type make a different? comparing value ram and slightly "premium" ram like Corsair Vengeance?

This is what i use in all my Xeon Machines.
https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-2133c9d-8gxl

I wouldn't change it for anything else.

 

[Regeneration]

HP released a new BIOS for Z400 workstation with updated microcode for X58 to deal with Spectre and Meltdown.

https://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp85501-86000/sp85650.tgz

Extracted the microcode for you:

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/new-microcode-for-bloomfield-and-gulftown.243353/

 

[kelun1]

You're not setting up a server, that said, forget about registered Ram.



This is what i use in all my Xeon Machines.
https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-2133c9d-8gxl

I wouldn't change it for anything else.

yes bro. actually the only reason why i am considering ecc is because of the price.

Registered ECC ram
4gb 15sgd
8gb 36sgd

Value Ram
4gb 28sgd
8gb 50sgd

Ripjaw/vengence
4gb 38sgd
8gb 65sgd

seeking for as low as possible =D

 

[phill]

If your looking at price, then unless you plan on overclocking the ram or something then why not go for the ECC if the board supports it? I'm currently using 2Gb sticks in my SR-2, just because they where free and since there's 12 slots I'll have more than enough ram

Obviously if you need some more than 24Gb then get 4Gb sticks if you can find some decent priced ones

 

[kelun1]

Hi guys.. just to share. i just snipe one ASUS P6T SE and Rampage III Formula.

are they good? =D

If your looking at price, then unless you plan on overclocking the ram or something then why not go for the ECC if the board supports it? I'm currently using 2Gb sticks in my SR-2, just because they where free and since there's 12 slots I'll have more than enough ram

Obviously if you need some more than 24Gb then get 4Gb sticks if you can find some decent priced ones

EEC dont seems like a good ram to over clock? haha! sorry im new to OC.

 

[phill]

It's really not meant for overclocking no.. It's meant for stability etc really and that's why they use it in servers and some workstations

I don't think that the dual CPU boards we can use would make a big difference in having the faster ram as the CPUs don't tend to use the speeds.. I think that my SR-2 board will only work at 1333Mhz ram for example.. It's an older board granted but I hope you know where I'm coming from If you have a single CPU board such as the Asus and the Rampage board, then that's a different story. You can find faster ECC based ram but the timings won't be great and that will hamper performance a little. I believe that's why @Knoxx29 buys the 2133Mhz stuff If I could find some of that for my SR-2 when I have some spare cash, then I'd be all over it myself But I'd go for the 2Gb sticks rather than 4Gb.. 48Gb of ram to overclock is a little hard sometimes lol I might need another try at it, but I think it was definitely limiting my overclock on my dual X5650's...

 

[kelun1]

hi guys.. now i have 3 board.

1. Sabertooth
2. ASUS P6T SE
3. Rampage III Formula

Which 2 should i keep?

keeping one for myself and the other for my cousin. and selling the other..

 

[dorsetknob]

You will need to test them to make sure they are ok
having said that the board best to sell is probably P6T SE

 

[kelun1]

You will need to test them to make sure they are ok
having said that the board best to sell is probably P6T SE

Good Day Bro!

when you mean by test as in clock it and test for the stability and decide?

if thats it, i will do it during the week!

and most prob if all turn out to be decent, i will just keep the rampage for myself and sabertooth for the cousin. and sell the P6T as advised =D

 

[dorsetknob]

All the usual tests needed to build a system
ie Cpu works
all Ram slots work
all expansion slots work (PCIx16 PCIx1 and any pci)
all Sata ports work ( and IDE if fitted )
all ports work (USB and not to forget internal headers ect)
You have sound from Motherboard.

 

[kelun1]

All the usual tests needed to build a system
ie Cpu works
all Ram slots work
all expansion slots work (PCIx16 PCIx1 and any pci)
all Sata ports work ( and IDE if fitted )
all ports work (USB and not to forget internal headers ect)
You have sound from Motherboard.

well noted bro! im gonna do the test during my off days! =D

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I agree with dorsetknob

well noted bro! im gonna do the test during my off days! =D

Well all those mobos are probably used for years so you never knows how previous owners treated them...anyway you can also observe if some of the capacitors are swollen and thats usually are not good sign.....

 

[Techninja]

He guys,

I got a x58 msi pro (e) it says pro-e on the manual and it looks like an e just the mobo itself states just pro (seems like the same capslockstuck has posted a picture of). It seems to be working fine my only (biggish) problem is i really get lost in this bios . Anyone who can help me a little? what i did find is alle the multipliers most of the energy saving options and the bios version 8.15, i suposse it's the same as 8.f (8.9+6/f=15?). The one thing i really have trubble with is the vcore it seems like im not able to set it myself only a offset is that right or do i need to change some setting around? Right now im saving for a xeon (I also dont know what im doing here). Im using a i7-920 at the moment. the max base clock seems to be 205 at a pll of 1.85 any other voltage/setting i can change that might give me a higher base clock (been running a stock speeds bu multiplier since im not able to set the voltage)? that northbridge gets really hot around 80-90 degrease i dont know what the normal settings are should i undervolt it or use a fan/repaste it to get some lower temps?

Thanks for any help in advance.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I get myself cheap/used(10€)cooler Xigmatek Loki that had way better mounting then my old Cooler Master TX3 EVO + also now I could use one more FAN and the results are pretty good....

I found a sweet spot for every day use at 4,16Ghz even under Heavy torture in IBT temps are under 80c....no problem with stability either CPU V 1.304....Now I have higher clock but also lower temps seems like a win-win....well only problem is just a bit more power consumption but I think I could live with that.....

 

[Durvelle27]

Want to jump back into the Xeon world. Got some 1366 CPUs but man the boards are ridiculously expensive

 

[lexluthermiester]

Want to jump back into the Xeon world. Got some 1366 CPUs but man the boards are ridiculously expensive

If you don't want to OC, socket 1366 workstation systems are very affordable, are generally good performers and offer great expandability.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

In case you missed Tech YES City made enjoyable 6 core comparison between OldVsNew X5675/Ryzen 2600/I5-8400....enjoy

 

[FireFox]

Want to jump back into the Xeon world. Got some 1366 CPUs but man the boards are ridiculously expensive

It seems that the older they become and the more expensive they are , i was trying to sell on Ebay a 1366 Combo for a price i guess it was reasonable but people were not willing to pay the price i asked for even the Motherboard is a rarity.

 

[Techninja]

He guys,

Do you know if CAPSLUCKSTUCK still watches this thread i saw he used a x58 pro e and i have the same board.
I repasted the northbridge and set a small fan on top of it so my temps are between 50-60 degrees. Though about the other problems (setting voltage and stability) i'm still in the clueless. the ram seems stable at 1600 (stress tested) though the problem has been narrowed down to the uncore frequencies. if I chance the frequency only the slightest it will be unstable, im not able to set the uncore under 2x the ram which seems weird to me. it will be stable to boot but will crash immediately when using the cache stresstest in aida64. besides that im not able to set the QPI above 4.8 wich also seems odd i remember i used to be able to set it to 6.4 or something.

Any help is welcome

 

[dorsetknob]

@CAPSLOCKSTUCK does keep an eye on the thread
At the moment he is Busy with other projects and so he does pop in now and then

 

[Zyll Goliat]

He guys,
if I chance the frequency only the slightest it will be unstable, im not able to set the uncore under 2x the ram which seems weird to me. it will be stable to boot but will crash immediately when using the cache stresstest in aida64.

Not sure if you made mistake in writing or you get confused but "uncore" clock must be at least 2x the speed of the RAM not under that speed ....