Intel's Core i7-8700K Generational Successor Could be 8-core

[Blueberries]

First of all, "If they could, they would" argument is so funny, my wife is laughing, and she is human science major, so not at all technical person - they can, and they should, they just don't cause it's easier and more convenient. Some game developers do, in fact, use the available multi-thread coding options, and it scales rather well with multi-core/multi-thread processors.

Ask yourself... the performance of many operations such as encoding or file compression has been delegated by thread count long before these processors, but not 3D applications, why? I'll give you a hint: it's not a conscience decision by the developer. It's kind of like how a Bugatti doesn't go through a car wash any faster than an Oldsmobile.

P.S. Is your wife hot? Tell her I said hi.

 

[mcraygsx]

dose any one knows 9th gen cpus work on z370 mob?

Most likely no that is why 390Z is there to support newer gen.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

To all of ya'll who be sellin your 8700k's.

Hit me up please. Im willing to pay for a beer and postage for said 8700k

 

[bug]

I was going to let these pass, but in the end I couldn't.

I don't know how many years it took to develop but it sure as hell doesn't look like a monumental step forward in CPU design. Nothing to write home about as opposed to Zen or Zen 2 in the future.

Currently it's AMD who is innovating and disrupting market trends not Intel.

Zen2, an architecture you know nothing about atm.

And no , I don't consider Ice Lake a huge step forward either , maybe for Intel themselves it is one but not for the industry and average consumer

Ice Lake, another architecture you know nothing about, but from the manufacturer you don't like.

And as a bonus:

We all know very well that going from 4th gen to 7th gen all Intel did primarily is increase clocks by using better nodes. There was no major architectural step to even speak of , not even with regards to core count.

Going from 4th to 7th gen Intel dramatically changed the battery life of mobiles while shoving enough HP under their hood to (almost) make the rival their desktop counterparts. But we don't care about that because "moar corez!"

 

[trparky]

Just because a few modders could operate entry level CPUs on Z170\270 boards doesnt mean that CFL in its entirety could just hop on and yeepty tooo everything is sunshine and rainbows.
There ARE technical difficulties in operating CPUs that can reach 50%+ power consumption for an array of boards that was not designed to support it.

If they didn't design it specifically for that processor and instead built-in some form of future proofing like requiring more than just the required VRMs to run the processor they could possibly do that. Look at how AMD has done things with the Ryzen chips, a 2000-series Ryzen will run on an older 300-series chipset board; granted it won't run with all of the added stuff but it will still run on it. Intel could do the same thing, make it so that newer chips could run on it and tell people "hey, it will run but not at full capacity" and people would probably find it more than acceptable. But since Intel doesn't do this and instead decides to screw us over and over again with new chipsets and motherboards just for... shit, I don't know, we'll never know.

As for thanking AMD, the reason why so many people are saying this is because Intel has been known to be anti-competitive. Intel has history with the United States Department of Justice and they have been found to be guilty of using their near monopoly for shady reasons. With Intel having a history of being a tool bag you can't sit there and tell me that AMD wasn't the reason why we are seeing these new chips.

 

[John Naylor]

Capitalism is by definition anti-competitive... th only reason you build abetter mouse trap is because you hope it will sell better than the other guys ... an allowing them to reip off years of R & D is the reason we have patents.

As i watch soccer Mom's taking the kids o practice in Florida w/ their 4 wheel drive SUVs, ya gotta wonder if auto makers will follow suit and start selling 8 wheel drive.... another 4 wheels that most folks will never benefit from.

 

[bug]

Capitalism is by definition anti-competitive...

Even if it's only mid-April, I think I found myself the idiocy of the year.
But please, do tell what is pro-competition in your opinion?

 

[metalfiber]

I don't really care about the 2 extra frames per second it might give me in gaming...but are the vulnerabilities going to be addressed?

 

[bug]

I don't really care about the 2 extra frames per second it might give me in gaming...but are the vulnerabilities going to be addressed?

If you're talking about Spectre and Meltdown, those are already addressed. It has been announced for months now that Ice Lake will carry the fixes at the silicon level.

 

[Vario]

thank you intel

 

[metalfiber]

If you're talking about Spectre and Meltdown, those are already addressed. It has been announced for months now that Ice Lake will carry the fixes at the silicon level.

Thank you .........i missed that bit of news about Ice Lake. I hated that built a new computer for performance and two days later that some of that performance flew out the window.

 

[bug]

Thank you .........i missed that bit of news about Ice Lake. I hated that built a new computer for performance and two days later that some of that performance flew out the window.

#1 What kind of performance loses are we talking about here?
#2 What makes you so sure a hardware fix doesn't incur a performance hit also? (hint: less aggressive caching always does)

 

[Upgrayedd]

Don't the older HEDT still get better fps because of their cache hierarchy? Kinda how the L4 on the 5775C gives it a significant fps boost. Or didn't the new interconnect add a ton of latency?

 

[GAR]

AMD is the best company for moving technology forward, while intel sits on a 4 core i7 for 7 years!

 

[svan71]

In case you don't know, it takes 2-3 years to do major changes to such complex microprocessors and even more to redesign architectures. All of the changes in Coffee Lake, Skylake-X, Cascade Lake-X and Ice Lake were designed before the release of Zen.

Whatever architecture Intel produces after Ice Lake might be affected by Zen, but anything before that.
Edit: Ice Lake was designed years ago, and has already been postponed due to the 10nm production node.
And for those who missed the other news yesterday; AMD is working on "Zen 5". It's normal that vendors have three different generations in development at the same time.

dude you need to calm down and accept the if it was not for AMD Ryzen you would be getting a 4 core Ice Lake cpu with a 10 % improvement over Kaby Lake

 

[Prima.Vera]

Time frame for this?

 

[bug]

Time frame for this?

Ice Lake is currently scheduled for late 2018 to early 2019. And even then, we don't know if Intel doesn't lead with mobile parts again with desktop parts coming 6+ months later.

 

[efikkan]

Time frame for this?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/872844756845379584

The tapeout was done a while ago. Usually it takes about one year to market, a little more if there are problems.

 

[TheHunter]

Of course, I knew that since they first announced it back in 2015?. AMD's new 2700X for only 319€ is just icing on the cake.
Prepare to see these nextgen x86 8cores for 330-350€.

I read once that this Icelake arch will bring new features and remove old SIMD executions to speed up the rest, old would get emulated. And what's most important completely new design, no more SandyBridge roots..


TigerLake in 2019 should be what KabbyLake is to Skylake. Better OC and thermals? and Ryzen2 response.

 

[efikkan]

Yes, Tiger Lake is expected to arrive late 2019 and will be a refinement of Ice Lake. Ice Lake "should" arrive in H2 2018, but we still don't know if this will start out as a limited selection or if it will be a complete lineup. Ice Lake-X is also scheduled for 2018/2019 (I guess 2019 since Cascade Lake-X is coming this summer).
The first chance Intel have to make actual adjustments in the core architecture as a result of the competition from Zen will be in the architecture coming after that, referred to as "Sapphire Rapids".

 

[TheHunter]

I saw their full X models are usually one-gen behind mainstream Z chipsets. So this cascade is some sort of Kabby/CoffeLake hybrid. Next year IceLake X, and then year after that TigerLake X, while normal Z gets hmm? this Sapphire Rapids

 

[sergionography]

Cool, more reason to wait for 9th gen. (+Spectre fixed)
My Sandy bridge will finally retire
Well, only it Intel price stay under 400$...

Or more reason to buy AMD which is to thank for all of this. As it stands right now with Zen+, both AMD and Intel are practically on parity with IPC, and 2019 is when 7nm Zen2 is scheduled. Aslong as 7nm glofo doesnt get delayed, intel is very likely to be at a disadvantage considering these 8core cpus are only a die shrink while AMD will be on a new Zen2 core with higher IPC. Also there is no telling how 10nm clocks at this point. 14nm++ was highly refined to hit these crazy high frequences which we probably shouldn't get used to.

In case you don't know, it takes 2-3 years to do major changes to such complex microprocessors and even more to redesign architectures. All of the changes in Coffee Lake, Skylake-X, Cascade Lake-X and Ice Lake were designed before the release of Zen.

Whatever architecture Intel produces after Ice Lake might be affected by Zen, but anything before that.
Edit: Ice Lake was designed years ago, and has already been postponed due to the 10nm production node.
And for those who missed the other news yesterday; AMD is working on "Zen 5". It's normal that vendors have three different generations in development at the same time.

Wrong. It takes 4 years to design a nedd x86 architecture and produce silicon. It takes much less to tape out new chips based on existing IP. In intels case the 6core cpu wouldnt have taken more than 6-12 month of tape-out and validation, and that project probably began the moment intel began seeing AMDs initial zen numbers and expectations. Another thing is pricing. Had zen not been around. An 8700k with 6 cores would've been north of 500-600$, and clocks would've probably kept more conservative had AMD been still on bulldozer.

Also here's a little reminder of how the 8700k launch was
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tomshardware.com/news/intel-coffee-lake-shortage-cpu,35632.html
And although there was great demand for the 8700k(excellent processor no doubt) The shortage was actually a supply issue.
https://www.tweaktown.com/image.php...0k-smashing-amd-ryzen-sales-big-time_full.png
This sales figure shows that intel was more likely planning a dec release since thats when the shortages ended and the sales more than quadrupled.

 

[Vya Domus]

Wrong. It takes 4 years to design a nedd x86 architecture and produce silicon. It takes much less to tape out new chips based on existing IP. In intels case the 6core cpu wouldnt have taken more than 6-12 month of tape-out and validation, and that project probably began the moment intel began seeing AMDs initial zen numbers and expectations. Another thing is pricing. Had zen not been around. An 8700k with 6 cores would've been north of 500-600$, and clocks would've probably kept more conservative had AMD been still on bulldozer.

Also here's a little reminder of how the 8700k launch was
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tomshardware.com/news/intel-coffee-lake-shortage-cpu,35632.html
And although there was great demand for the 8700k(excellent processor no doubt) The shortage was actually a supply issue.
https://www.tweaktown.com/image.php...0k-smashing-amd-ryzen-sales-big-time_full.png
This sales figure shows that intel was more likely planning a dec release since thats when the shortages ended and the sales more than quadrupled.

Everyone around here believes Intel is apparently living in a cave , developing things for years on end never responding to anything that their competitors do.

 

[HTC]

Intel seems to be in trouble, and it ain't because of RyZen(+): @ least not directly.

Their 10 nm process is having serious problems, or so it seems.

What does that mean for Intel's "answer" to AMD's RyZen+? This doesn't bode well for Intel.

 

[Vya Domus]

Their 10 nm process is having serious problems, or so it seems.

It's likely that everyone is going to have problems with the next wave of node shrinks. But something definitely ain't right in particular with Intel's 10nm node , they've had to many problems with it and for too long.

I have a feeling they will eventually have to resort to other sources to manufacture their chips like pretty much everyone else.