NVIDIA Puts the GeForce GTX 1060 Under the Knife Once Again

[T4C Fantasy]

You dont know that. Nvidia might as well cap the chips current by some limiter or whatever. They cant let a 1060 chip bypass a 1070 with simple oc's.

didnt say anything about 1060 beating 1070, i said the gp104 1060 will oc better than gp106 one

 

[Supercrit]

Recycle partially faulty 1070 dies. Bloody brilliant.

Also with this news it is safe to predict there won't be a 1160 any time soon. There is basically no competition

1070 itself is a faulty die that can't become 1080/1070ti, I guess now Nvidia accumulated sufficient amount of very faulty GPUs that can still be used cut further down.

 

[xkm1948]

1070 itself is a faulty die that can't become 1080/1070ti, I guess now Nvidia accumulated sufficient amount of very faulty GPUs that can still be used cut further down.

So eventually we will be seeing 1080 dies in 1030.

 

[T4C Fantasy]

So eventually we will be seeing 1080 dies in 1030.

Nah i had this gp104 id for gp104 gtx 1060 6gb since may 2016

If there was such a thing i would tell you xD

 

[Hood]

1060 Ti would be great. I loved my 660 Ti in it's day, it was just the right combination of affordable and powerful, at the time for me. Nothing wrong with hitting all possible price points.

 

[Flanker]

man, I am so confused...

 

[Bones]

didnt say anything about 1060 beating 1070, i said the gp104 1060 will oc better than gp106 one

Using my 560-448 as an example it CAN actually beat a 570 in some instances because it has before and it's purely because (My example at least) can and does OC well enough to do it.
In the overall the 570 due to it's larger number of Cuda cores is still the better card, esp at identical clocks - No contest there.

What comes out may (And I stress "May" here) clock a little higher but still fall short in actual results.

Might get by in a few instances but I'm not talking about a huge amount - Like the one I have it would probrably either run the same or squeak by and that's probrably it based on the exact specs of the system and bench it's tested with.

And...... That's also IF Nvidia doesn't go and lock out tweakability of the card and they could well do that - It's not like they haven't before.

It will all depend on the specs of what they come up with, if they decide to cripple any ability to tweak or to what extent they do, how vendors actually construct the cards related to power phases and such.... The list of variables goes on and on.
We'll find out soon enough.

 

[T4C Fantasy]

Using my 560-448 as an example it CAN actually beat a 570 in some instances because it has before and it's purely because (My example at least) can and does OC well enough to do it.
In the overall the 570 due to it's larger number of Cuda cores is still the better card, esp at identical clocks - No contest there.

What comes out may (And I stress "May" here) clock a little higher but still fall short in actual results.

Might get by in a few instances but I'm not talking about a huge amount - Like the one I have it would probrably either run the same or squeak by and that's probrably it based on the exact specs of the system and bench it's tested with.

And...... That's also IF Nvidia doesn't go and lock out tweakability of the card and they could well do that - It's not like they haven't before.

It will all depend on the specs of what they come up with, if they decide to cripple any ability to tweak or to what extent they do, how vendors actually construct the cards related to power phases and such.... The list of variables goes on and on.
We'll find out soon enough.

theres just no way a 1280sp 1060 can beat a 1920sp 1070 you would literally need LN2.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Promotes GPP and then proceeds to launch another 1060. SMH.

You are aware they did away with the GPP?

 

[Bones]

theres just no way a 1280sp 1060 can beat a 1920sp 1070 you would literally need LN2.

Gotcha on the 1280 vs 1920.

I'm certainly no expert on GPUs so I learned something today.... That's a good thing.

 

[JalleR]

How? It doesn't affect prices at all. It's so Nvidia can make more money and nothing else. There's not a yield problem.

Properly prices not much, but Chips that are in the "trash", it "taken out" and soldered on to some 1060 PCB. and put on a market, that needs more cards to feed the miners.

Does it fix the market problem, properly not, but there will be the possibility of more Cards available and that is the main issue right now..

 

[sutyi]

You are aware they did away with the GPP?

So it would seem... As far as I am concerned the damage had already been dealt and the GPP agreement lives on under another name without the open marketing charade surrounding the first iteration of this BS.

As for the article, they just should've clocked this a tad bit higher and called it a GTX 1060Ti, GTX 1065 or something or another...

 

[T4C Fantasy]

So it would seem... As far as I am concerned the damage had already been dealt and the GPP agreement lives on under another name without the open marketing charade surrounding the first iteration of this BS.

As for the article, they just should've clocked this a tad bit higher and called it a GTX 1060Ti, GTX 1065 or something or another...

well clocking it higher wouldnt justify a new name but its chinese only anyways

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

to the Chinese market, using whatever available dies that can still be sewned on PCBs is better than leaving it untouched & shelved the whole repository of dies that have already manufactured. Sure, parts number & variants will confuse most folks, but iCafe operators in China/Taiwan don't really care much so long the cards delivers it. "gimped" or "nerfed" chip, it's still usable.

 

[stimpy88]

ok, this needs correction... "NVIDIA has a long history of playing Dr. Frankenstein on their graphics cards."

That should read...

NVIDIA has a long history of trying to rip off it's customers, any way that it can, and because NVIDIA is all for the Gamers, especially the uneducated or amature kind.

 

[Vya Domus]

ok, this needs correction... "NVIDIA has a long history of playing Dr. Frankenstein on their graphics cards."

That should read...

NVIDIA has a long history of trying to rip off it's customers, any way that it can, and because NVIDIA is all for the Gamers, especially the uneducated or amature kind.

Nvidia sure is doing their best to sell severely overpriced products, but, the practice of using the same die for multiple variants is perfectly valid. AMD is doing it , Intel is doing it , literately everyone else is doing it and there is no reason why it would pose any sort of disadvantage to the consumer.

Dose it really make you sleep better at night if the GPU you bought was not a cut down version of something else ?

 

[the54thvoid]

Frankly, I can't believe so many people even find this interesting enough to discuss. And how many of the posters are even living in China, where most of these things are exclusively sold? If a product delivers a performance to the end consumer, it does not matter if it's GP106 or GP104. It does not matter what the internals are if it does what it says on the box. This sort of debate is more suited to RAM, where memory chips from different vendors make quite a difference (Ryzen owner here, first-hand experience).

 

[Vayra86]

Its funny how first everyone complains about miners 'they dun took our cards'... and when Nvidia maximizes the amount of sellable GPUs out of their silicon/fab capacity those same people complain about cut down GPUs.

You do realize that the reason Nvidia does this is because they can sell them and they can sell them because demand is still sky high. Beyond that, not much to see here... but really, this is Nvidia trying to stabilize the market and along with maximizing profit, feeding the market's high demand. You have to understand that this is a win-win situation.

- More fab capacity goes towards GP104 because margin/demand peaks in the segment of 1070/1080. Move relatively low amounts of units with relatively solid margins, as opposed to fabbing for GP106 to move more units with lower margins. The 1070 is one of the cards that is still completely oddly priced right now, because of excessive miner demand in the recent past. For many people the only feasible alternative is stepping down to 1060 6GB - not up to a 1070ti or 1080, which is at a high price point.

- Nvidia thus has a chance to create more GP104 1070tis and they utilize nearly every failed GP104 as a 1070, or a 1060, feeding the lower segments along the way.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Those bad wields have to go somewhere....

 

[dorsetknob]

And how many of the posters are even living in China, where most of these things are exclusively sold

Would be interested to hear how that market segment feels about this but i very much doubt if we will ("The Great firewall of China")

 

[Flanker]

Would be interested to hear how that market segment feels about this but i very much doubt if we will ("The Great firewall of China")

I live in China atm, most people I know play mobile games most of the time. Some folks love PC gaming enough to buy 1080Ti, others can settle for stuff like MX150 or 2200G. Funnily enough, these mid-range cards appear at my work place where I need to do CUDA programming. In this case, our company buy whatever cheap mid-range cards we can get. As long as it isn't too crappy for our work, it's fine. We don't need high end cards either, because we can't expect all our customers to have those specs.

As for these iCafe I haven't seen much of them in the parts of China I live in. Mobile games are killing them.

 

[Assimilator]

Its funny how first everyone complains about miners 'they dun took our cards'... and when Nvidia maximizes the amount of sellable GPUs out of their silicon/fab capacity those same people complain about cut down GPUs.

You do realize that the reason Nvidia does this is because they can sell them and they can sell them because demand is still sky high. Beyond that, not much to see here... but really, this is Nvidia trying to stabilize the market and along with maximizing profit, feeding the market's high demand. You have to understand that this is a win-win situation.

- More fab capacity goes towards GP104 because margin/demand peaks in the segment of 1070/1080. Move relatively low amounts of units with relatively solid margins, as opposed to fabbing for GP106 to move more units with lower margins. The 1070 is one of the cards that is still completely oddly priced right now, because of excessive miner demand in the recent past. For many people the only feasible alternative is stepping down to 1060 6GB - not up to a 1070ti or 1080, which is at a high price point.

- Nvidia thus has a chance to create more GP104 1070tis and they utilize nearly every failed GP104 as a 1070, or a 1060, feeding the lower segments along the way.

What is this, logic instead of blind anti-NVIDIA sentiment in a TPU thread?

Geddouttahere

 

[cdawall]

there is
GTX 1060 3GB GP106 1152SP
GTX 1060 3GB GP104 1152SP
GTX 1060 5GB GP106 1280SP
GTX 1060 6GB GP106 1280SP
GTX 1060 6GB GP106 1280SP 9Gbps
GTX 1060 6GB GP106 1280SP Rev. 2
GTX 1060 6GB GP104 1280SP

Don't forget they have all the mining variants in there as well. GP106-090 is 768SP and 3GB or 6GB, GP106-100 and 1280SP and 3GB or 6GB

 

[Th3pwn3r]

NVIDIA has a long history of trying to rip off it's customers, any way that it can, and because NVIDIA is all for the Gamers, especially the uneducated or amature kind.

If you were a farmer and had a cow, would you only milk it half way? Your answer is going to be no and same goes for Nvidia or ANY business interested in making profits.

 

[Ruru]

So, Chinese dudes could have GTX 1060 SLI?