Throttlestop overclocking Desktop PCs

[Retrorockit]

I notice CPUZ didn't pick up on the TS Voltage increase. A restart would probably fix that. I get different results in some benchmarks with, and without a restart.

 

[J-Man1990]

I stumbled on this thread while looking for a cheap way of upgrading from my old Dell optiplex 380 that i installed a x5460 in. (775 to 771 mod) I'm now running an hp z400 motherboard with the w3570 @ 3.6ghz! (can push it more but need better cooling) I have a question tho has anyone on here ever used deepcool cpu coolers before? I'm building a gaming rig and have a very tight budget (two kids that come WAY before my hobbies lol) this is the cooler im looking at deepcool s40 or this one rosewill

 

[lexluthermiester]

I stumbled on this thread while looking for a cheap way of upgrading from my old Dell optiplex 380 that i installed a x5460 in. (775 to 771 mod) I'm now running an hp z400 motherboard with the w3570 @ 3.6ghz! (can push it more but need better cooling) I have a question tho has anyone on here ever used deepcool cpu coolers before? I'm building a gaming rig and have a very tight budget (two kids that come WAY before my hobbies lol) this is the cooler im looking at deepcool s40 or this one rosewill

This one would be better for what you want to do and for the space it has to fit into;
https://www.amazon.com/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-400-Heatpipes-Compatible/dp/B007JEMXYQ

 

[J-Man1990]

This one would be better for what you want to do and for the space it has to fit into;
https://www.amazon.com/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-400-Heatpipes-Compatible/dp/B007JEMXYQ

Thanks! Ill get some pics of my rig up soon its not the best looking pc but it gets the job done and for what ive got in it the performance is awesome

 

[Retrorockit]

I have an Opti 380 also. The Zotac GTX1050 Mini, and 1050Ti Mini drop right in. The 4GB Ti runs into a resource conflict in some programs due to the 8GB RAM limit. Keeping an eye on background processes helps.
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/6392914
I'm glad to see an HP show up. There's no reason not to take advantage of those also.

 

[J-Man1990]

I have an Opti 380 also. The Zotac GTX1050 Mini, and 1050Ti Mini drop right in. The 4GB Ti runs into a resource conflict in some programs due to the 8GB RAM limit. Keeping an eye on background processes helps.
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/6392914
I'm glad to see an HP show up. There's no reason not to take advantage of those also.

I really like the z400 motherboard its like 90% atx, if you get the back plate with it like i did the i/o shield is integrated, the biggest problem is to use it with an atx psu you have to mod the 24pin connector as hp uses non standard wiring z400 motherboard wiring i found this thread which details how to used it in an atx case. I had considered a t3500 motherboard but googling around i found that you need the front i/o board to even power the motherboard on and i couldn't find one for less than $20 (probably could have if i had looked harder but the z400 board was only $5 more than a t3500 board)
Im running the gtx 660 ti 2gb and 10gb of ram. looking to upgrade that in the future too but dose ok for now. I can game at 1080p medium in most games. What do you think of this cooler deepcool

 

[Aaron_Henderson]

T3500 board actually doesn't need the front panel board at all. Been using mine without it for about a year now.

 

[J-Man1990]

T3500 board actually doesn't need the front panel board at all. Been using mine without it for about a year now.

How? I did a little googling but never came up with anyone using that board without the i/o board. It would be good to get a pinout or pic of the wiring for any other budget builders out there

 

[Aaron_Henderson]

How? I did a little googling but never came up with anyone using that board without the i/o board. It would be good to get a pinout or pic of the wiring for any other budget builders out there

I manually found the power-on pins, but never bothered to even hook them up (trying to keep cable clutter at bay). The board powers on as soon as it receives power from the PSU, so I have just been using the PSU rocker switch to power the system on. Also...in regards to the proprietary HP 24-pin, were you able to convert the pin-out without issue? I have worked with that before, and just ended up cutting the wires, instead of removing the pins from the connector, and then running a sleeved extension so I could hide the heatshrink mess behind the motherboard tray. I have converted tons of power supplies to different standards so I can ditch the proprietary supplies typically used in server and workstation setups. Some of them I had to pin-out manually as there was no info on the net. Wish I would have kept all that info somewhere...but most of it is lost. Considering a Z400 board now though, versus the T3500, just due to the dimensions being a little more reasonable to work into an ATX setup.

 

[J-Man1990]

ATM I've just cut and spliced a molex connector to the 24 pin (I'm using a cheap dynex PSU anyway) when I get my "new" PSU (looking at a used t5500 psu thoughts?) I'm going to use one of those 24 pin
extension cables and hide the mess in the back of the case https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Motherboard-Power-Extension/dp/B01DV1Z66C

 

[Susquehannock]

T3500 board actually doesn't need the front panel board at all. Been using mine without it for about a year now.

Interesting. When you say not needed do you mean you can continue after alert, or it boots to Windows straight off? Disconnecting the 40-pin from front to main board gives me below. F1 continues to Windows. No biggie really.

 

[Aaron_Henderson]

I do get the alert, and actually have to hit F2, not F1, enter the BIOS screen, hit exit, it reboots, and then hit F1...not sure why, but that's how it works for me. If I just hit F1 on boot, it does nothing...either way, I still boot into Windows without the front panel board connected. Kind of a pain, I guess, if you shutdown your PC alot...I just let mine sleep and leave it on most of the day and only shutdown before bed. Also, there is probably a setting in BIOS to disable the alert...but haven't even bothered to check...I'll check next reboot and report back.

 

[Ttreshh]

Great topic, so much info in it.
Can everyone help me to increase performance of my laptop?
It has i7-3687U CPU (2 core 2.1Ghz stable/3.1Ghz turbo) TDP 17W, 100Mhz Base frequency.
Intel ChiefRiver mobo
BIOS/Uefi AMi 4.6.5, Win 10 and some extra cooling (Using my laptop like a PC, so I can have extra fan on opened RAM bay)
If I can achieve stable 2.5Ghz, it will be so great for my purposes.
I'm already done all Windows powerplan tweaks and can't find anything interesting in UEFI except Primary plan current value, TCC offset, TDP control (Auto/Normal).
Although I have some unlocked knobs in ThrottleStop, but I'm not sure about whats better to do.

Please, let me know, what I can do with my laptop to leave my CPU from "energy saving mode", how Intel decided to do.

 

[Retrorockit]

Please, let me know, what I can do with my laptop to leave my CPU from "energy saving mode", how Intel decided to do.

Throttlestop was written for laptop underclocking, Controlling throttling schemes, and extending battery life. Overclocking and especially on Desktop computers with unlocked CPUs was a byproduct. There's a Throttlestop thread at Notebook Review that will have everything you need to know.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/

 

[Upowa]

I just bought the HP Z400 board and I'm stuck on the ATX power connector wiring. Also, I cannot find where the front panel pinout for the power switch either, If anyone here can help me with that that would be great, I can't find the diagram for it.

Also, I was able to purchased a few cpus to test, W3680 (unlocked), W3570 (unlocked), W3565 (locked). I've only been able to briefly test these on the supermicro X8sti board with throttlestop. I was able to change the turbo multipliers on the unlocked chips with ease. The bios also sees it as unlock so multipliers can be changed to higher values. I want to put some heatsinks on the vrms before running higher multipliers. Putting the W3680 chip into the T3500 board once I fit it into the case. With the Z400 I'm hope I can change the FSB frequencies with setfsb, it has a CV183APAG clock generator, for some locked chips. Running a rx480 8gb on these to test with. Want to see how high I can clock these boards, I'll post the results next.

 

[Retrorockit]

I hadn't thought about Supermicro. Does the unlocked BIOS give direct control of Voltage on unlocked CPUs or any other settings that aftermarket boards allow? QPI and RAM speed, Voltage? I'm guessing Supermicro is ATX, or EATX form factor. Lenovo is also a player in the workstation market. I'm afraid trying to learn about the hundreds of different Dells has kept me busy. TS overclocking should work on anything that can run an unlocked CPU.

 

[J-Man1990]

I just bought the HP Z400 board and I'm stuck on the ATX power connector wiring. Also, I cannot find where the front panel pinout for the power switch either, If anyone here can help me with that that would be great, I can't find the diagram for it.

Also, I was able to purchased a few cpus to test, W3680 (unlocked), W3570 (unlocked), W3565 (locked). I've only been able to briefly test these on the supermicro X8sti board with throttlestop. I was able to change the turbo multipliers on the unlocked chips with ease. The bios also sees it as unlock so multipliers can be changed to higher values. I want to put some heatsinks on the vrms before running higher multipliers. Putting the W3680 chip into the T3500 board once I fit it into the case. With the Z400 I'm hope I can change the FSB frequencies with setfsb, it has a CV183APAG clock generator, for some locked chips. Running a rx480 8gb on these to test with. Want to see how high I can clock these boards, I'll post the results next.

HP Z400 motherboard wiring

 

[Retrorockit]

I looked at images of the Z400 board and found some with 4 RAM slots, and some with 6. I'd certainly go with the 3 channel version. Also if you want to OC a locked BIOS computer with a locked CPU I would go for the X5687 32nm 4C/8T 3.6GHz CPU. You might look into the T5500 MB also. More chips in the VRM and more chipset and I/O cooling. Interchanges with the T3500 except it uses cheaper RDIMMS, and since X5xxx CPUs are on the menu for this you can add a 2nd one later.

 

[J-Man1990]

I looked at images of the Z400 board and found some with 4 RAM slots, and some with 6. I'd certainly go with the 3 channel version. Also if you want to OC a locked BIOS computer with a locked CPU I would go for the X5687 32nm 4C/8T 3.6GHz CPU. You might look into the T5500 MB also. More chips in the VRM and more chipset and I/O cooling. Interchanges with the T3500 except it uses cheaper RDIMMS, and since X5xxx CPUs are on the menu for this you can add a 2nd one later.

Dont get the board with 4 ram slots! It doesn't support the 6 core chips (w3680/w3690) doesn't support 3 channel memory and is about the same price as the 6 slot version

 

[Retrorockit]

Looking at the Z400 6 slot board compared to the T3500 I'm seeing more of a standard ATX layout. It mounts in the RH side of the case unlike the LH mounted Dell. I'm seeing a 4 pin CPU connector instead of 8 pin on the Dell. Vertically mounted VRM MOSFETs that will be a PITA to add cooling to, and it seems like 4 phase VRM with 4 MOSFETS per choke, vs. 6 phase with 2 MOSFETs per choke on the Dell. Aside from the borked 24 pin PSU pinout it might be a better place to start for the ATX case swappers. I suppose one place to get the added 12V wires needed would be from the 8 pin CPU cable. The CPU cooler looks like the one Dell used in the XPS435MT. I'm guessing it's a generic AVC LGA1366 cooler.
In fact XPS435MT is an ATX LGA1366 board. XPS435T studio 9000 also. No need to reinvent the wheel.
https://www.ebay.com/i/112772037064?chn=ps
or the smaller R849J
https://www.walmart.com/ip/R849J-De...5712&wl11=online&wl12=120520972&wl13=&veh=sem

 

[Upowa]

HP Z400 motherboard wiring

Thanks J-Man!

Does the unlocked BIOS give direct control of Voltage on unlocked CPUs or any other settings that aftermarket boards allow? QPI and RAM speed, Voltage?

Pretty standard AMI Bios that supermicro runs during the time. There are quite a bit of settings that you can change including QPI and RAM speed, no voltage controls however. You can edit the bios with AMIBCP337 and change the default values. With the unlock cpus, the hidden turbo multiplier menu appears. On locked cpu, it doesn't appear. Download the supermicro bios and open with amibpc337 to see what menus are available. Flashing the bios is easy on this board. This supermicro board in particular has the 4x pci-e slot right behind the 16x pci express slot so it can be a problem for GPUs without cutting some plastic that gets in the way. The vrms are spread apart and no heatsinks on them, supermicro boards usually will come with heatsinks on the VRMs. There are quite a bit of supermicro lga1366 to choose from. The supermicro boards seem to be higher quality compared to the T3500 or Z400, and cost a little more. The Dell 435mt or the 9100 xps boards are nice OEM boards as well, these are FSB adjustable with setfsb. How high can it go is the question.

What do you guys think of the dual socket boards? Are they worth running 12 cores for anything these days compared to newer more efficient systems. Anyone run macOS on lga1366s? I know older Mac pros run on lga1366s and they are still quite expensive these days for a 12core system.

 

[Retrorockit]

My take on SetFSB ( coming from the lazy mans instant OC TS provides) is that i would use TS to get as high as possible with multiplier overclocking, and then use setFSB to tune higher in the smaller increments available there, and add Voltage through TS as needed. This makes RAM timings a secondary concern instead of primary with SetFSB/ BCLK only.
I have such a personal investment in time and parts with Dell stuff that it's hard for me to justify jumping to Supermicro. I know this shows in the examples I give here. But for others with an existing inventory of ATX parts, and conventional overclocking experience it might be a better way to go. Could you post some photos here to give other people some ideas?
BTW I think Mac OS was a Linux derivative.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Dont get the board with 4 ram slots! It doesn't support the 6 core chips (w3680/w3690) doesn't support 3 channel memory and is about the same price as the 6 slot version

That is incorrect. It doesn't support triple channel ram, true. If it'll take a 1366 Xeon, it'll take any 1366 Xeon so long as the bios has the latest revision.

 

[Retrorockit]

Her's another Youtube video. A 6 core shootout. Not one of our unlocked CPUs, but X58 X5675 @ 4.5GHz vs. Ryzen 5 2600X vs. i5-8400 on GTX1080Ti.

And while we're in couch potato mode. An Air Vs. water cooling video.

 

[Aaron_Henderson]

Any know for sure if W5580 is unlocked? It can be ran in dual CPU setup, which would be interesting if it was indeed unlocked and potentially overclocked with Throttlest.