NVIDIA GTX 1080-successor By Late-July

[Th3pwn3r]

Better late than never

Did they have a release date earlier that I missed?

And yet, their three-and-a-half-year-old design (ancient in technology terms) still beats AMD's latest and greatest.

People are still in denial about that, from both a price and performance stand point AMD has been doing poorly.

Since has been 3 years that AMD is not competing with NVIDIA with GPUs and everybody knows this, i find your comment pretty lame and to no benefit for the topic?! I mean Rip amd is the best you can do for a topic that has nothing to do with comparison?! What a douche

Ah yeah, you're resulting to a personal attack and childish name calling, but he's a douche...

R.I.P AMD with their three fold increase in share price in the last few years.

Have you ever heard of something being a product of good timing? That's the current case right now. That holds true for even lower end Nvidia cards because of availability, if you have no options you're going to get whatever you can. If not for mining neither would be pulling in as much money. If both Nvidia and AMD had endless supplies of cards do you think AMD would have your mentioned profits? I don't.

 

[bug]

There's a review on TPU list today for a Titan Volta. It's held back at anything under 4k, but at 4k it generally improves over the 1080ti by 15-20%, higher in some cases. Overclocked it's an additional 15% faster. So, if TV will be the new 1180ti, it's about 30% faster than its predecessor, or, 50-60% faster than the 1080. Give or take.
I don't expect miracles with Nvidias next but I'm sure we'll see more of the same, generationally.

If I had to guess, the consumer card will be a lower specced silicon than what's reviewed on TPU. But it will be clocked higher and possibly include additional improvements, coming so late after the TV. So yeah, your numbers seem to be in the right ballpark. Though I wouldn't mind Nvidia pleasantly surprising us

 

[ppn]

The TitanV is held back at 250 W TDP, interesting to see the average clocks, 5120 cuda should be exactly 2x GTX 1080. As for the 1180, 4096 Cuda looks very likely to me, the golden ratio in relation to 2560. But are the tensor cores being counted differently, are they present, or are they attached to the normal cores in every Shader Module. The number 3584 comes from the understanding that Volta raises the SMs per GPC from 5 to 7. But it could be 8 or any number. This is just odd.

 

[Assimilator]

I know, that was a sarcastic WCCF-style comment in response to another.

I honestly can't tell on TPU anymore.

 

[bug]

The TitanV is held back at 250 W TDP, interesting to see the average clocks, 5120 cuda should be exactly 2x GTX 1080. As for the 1180, 4096 Cuda looks very likely to me, the golden ratio in relation to 2560. But are the tensor cores being counted differently, are they present, or are they attached to the normal cores in every Shader Module. The number 3584 comes from the understanding that Volta raises the SMs per GPC from 5 to 7. But it could be 8 or any number. This is just odd.

The truth is, beyond the release date and it being related to Titan Volta, we still don't know squat about the upcoming product. But still this thread will go on for at least a few more pages.

 

[qubit]

I think GTX 2080 sounds nicer, but GTX 1180 follows logically, so is the more likely name.

Looking forward to the top end Ti version which should be able to do 4K like Pascal can do 1080p today. That would go really nicely with those new affordable $3000 4K 144Hz monitors.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

I'd like a whole new name/number lineup to throw off the anti Nvidia guys

 

[iO]

Assuming its based on the "12nm" process as 7nm doesnt seem to be ready yet, I wouldnt expect anything bigger than 400mm2 for the die.

3854 shaders max, 10% higher core clock, 256 bit memory with 16Gbps GDDR6 for 512GB/s bandwidth and 200W TDP at $700+ for the FE cards.
So basically an OCed 1080Ti with better efficiency..

 

[qubit]

I'd like a whole new name/number lineup to throw off the anti Nvidia guys

That reminds me I'm still pissed that NVIDIA never had GTX 800 series cards. I was so looking forward to it for years!

Ignore me, just nerding out.

 

[bug]

I think GTX 2080 sounds nicer, but GTX 1180 follows logically, so is the more likely name.

Looking forward to the top end Ti version which should be able to do 4K like Pascal can do 1080p today. That would go really nicely with those new affordable $3000 4K 144Hz monitors.

No generation-over-generation improvement was ever able to sustain the same performance while quadrupling the number of pixels. It's gonna start now.
Plus, the Ti will probably come only after AMD releases their answer to these new babies.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

That reminds me I'm still pissed that NVIDIA never had GTX 800 series cards. I was so looking forward to it for years!

Ignore me, just nerding out.

Ha, the naming/numbers so make sense though. It's pretty easy to understand. Although I kind of want a mix up, marketing would be more of a hassle if they revamped everything. Remember when they were marketed with MB?!

 

[bug]

Ha, the naming/numbers so make sense though. It's pretty easy to understand. Although I kind of want a mix up, marketing would be more of a hassle if they revamped everything. Remember when they were marketed with MB?!

GeForce, GeForce2, GeForce3, GeForce 4xxx - 8xxx, GTX 2xx - 10xx... Numbers tend to stick around for a while, until feels like a shake-up is in order.
Radeon also had 7xxx-9xxx, went back to three digits with X300 which, renamed to HD continued to 8xxx and then we got the R3/5/7 followed by 3 digits again.

Still, just stickers on boxes to me.

 

[Vayra86]

There's a review on TPU list today for a Titan Volta. It's held back at anything under 4k, but at 4k it generally improves over the 1080ti by 15-20%, higher in some cases. Overclocked it's an additional 15% faster. So, if TV will be the new 1180ti, it's about 30% faster than its predecessor, or, 50-60% faster than the 1080. Give or take.
I don't expect miracles with Nvidias next but I'm sure we'll see more of the same, generationally.

This... And of course the inevitable acceleration of a new tech that works a whole lot better on the latest and greatest; RTX.

The truth is, beyond the release date and it being related to Titan Volta, we still don't know squat about the upcoming product. But still this thread will go on for at least a few more pages.

Yup. We have all the classic comments A select few who feel next gen is gonna change the world of gaming, some oddball saying 'two generations old tech is still fine', the eternal comment about VRAM, some AMD bashing and some common sense. At least some things in the world never change, very comforting

 

[mouacyk]

Assuming its based on the "12nm" process as 7nm doesnt seem to be ready yet, I wouldnt expect anything bigger than 400mm2 for the die.

3854 shaders max, 10% higher core clock, 256 bit memory with 16Gbps GDDR6 for 512GB/s bandwidth and 200W TDP at $700+ for the FE cards.
So basically an OCed 1080Ti with better efficiency..

So was the 980 to 780 Ti.
And 1080 to 980 Ti.
Still great for those who want access to that efficiency earlier and for up to 6 months, until the Ti drops.

 

[Vya Domus]

Have you ever heard of something being a product of good timing? That's the current case right now. That holds true for even lower end Nvidia cards because of availability, if you have no options you're going to get whatever you can. If not for mining neither would be pulling in as much money. If both Nvidia and AMD had endless supplies of cards do you think AMD would have your mentioned profits? I don't.

You are free to believe whatever you want. If you think the only reason AMD turned profit in the last few years was only because of mining then fine but you are simply wrong. AMD has a lot of products targeted at different markets which have been successful and make up a good chunk of the money they have made outside mining.

That being said whenever I see "RIP AMD" I know it comes from someone that spends their day checking out what color they see at the top of benchmarks and outside of that they are absolutely clueless.

 

[Fx]

Cool, but I'll wait until they release the Ti FTW edition.

 

[Vayra86]

Cool, but I'll wait until they release the Ti FTW edition.

The last FTW was a complete dud, not sure why you'd wait on that specific model. EVGA quickly tried to make us forget the bad shroud of the 1080 FTW by pushing their revamped ICX shrouds.

Prior to that they had a bad run of their ACX coolers which were the worst performers of the bunch with bad heatpipe contact.

 

[bug]

You are free to believe whatever you want. If you think the only reason AMD turned profit in the last few years was only because of mining then fine but you are simply wrong. AMD has a lot of products targeted at different markets which have been successful and make up a good chunk of the money they have made outside mining.

That being said whenever I see "RIP AMD" I know it comes from someone that spends their day checking out what color they see at the top of benchmarks and outside of that they are absolutely clueless.

Depends on your definition of "a lot of products targeted at different markets". AMD themselves only count two market segments: "Computing and Graphics" and "Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom".
The former brought an operating income of $85mn while the latter brought $19mn (a sharp decline actually) in Q4'17: http://ir.amd.com/news-releases/new...rth-quarter-and-annual-2017-financial-results

So yeah, they're out of the red, but they're not exactly rolling in it just yet.

 

[Kinestron]

RIP AMD

I think the best you can hope for is AMD fans/gamers such as myself will now be able to get a Vega at MSRP. i.e. Sales merely shift from miners back to gamers. This is why competition is good.

 

[Fx]

The last FTW was a complete dud, not sure why you'd wait on that specific model. EVGA quickly tried to make us forget the bad shroud of the 1080 FTW by pushing their revamped ICX shrouds.

Prior to that they had a bad run of their ACX coolers which were the worst performers of the bunch with bad heatpipe contact.

I have the 980 Ti FTW so wasn't aware of that. I've been satisfied with its performance since I no longer care to overclock my cpu, memory or graphics. I usually only run EVGA and a little Gigabyte for graphics and have enjoyed great success with zero failure rates. With that said, I am a happy customer.

 

[oli_ramsay]

Imagine if it supported freesync, AMD would be fucked. I'd love to upgrade my RX 480 but there's no way I'm paying £600+ for Vega 56

 

[efikkan]

My expectations are more along the lines of:

• GTX xx80 Ti: 5,120 CUDA cores
• GTX xx80: 3,072 CUDA cores
• GTX xx70: 2,304 CUDA cores
• GTX xx60: 1,536 CUDA cores

The full chips may look something like this:

(based on Nvidia's whitepapers)

 

[Assimilator]

I think the best you can hope for is AMD fans/gamers such as myself will now be able to get a Vega at MSRP. i.e. Sales merely shift from miners back to gamers. This is why competition is good.

Why would you even want to buy Vega.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Who would even buy vega?
-higher cost
-higher tdp
-higher power usage
-poor price-performance
-poor performance/watt
-consistently lower frame rate on a majority of titles

 

[sutyi]

Only if you're a sucker. There's still no reason to move on from OCed 980ti. And now that they're even bigger D-bags and the available freesync monitor pool is getting good...no thanks. I will not be buying another.

Depending on what resolution are you playing on. If you are playing on 1080p or 1440p, from a pure performance aspect there is no reason to move up. If you are playing on 4K there is reason to upgrade as even an overclocked 980Ti is inadequate unless you are lowering details on AAA titles.

We are at the point where 1080p and 1440p are starting to slip into mainstream and 4K is where the ball will be on AAA games on the high-end of things. 2-3 years down the line a xx50 level card will be enough to play on 1080p high settings.

AMD is wasting die space on compute oriented stuff on the gaming front, like it or not. nVIDIAs stuff is more efficient in this market segment, that's all there is to it in the end.