Throttlestop overclocking Desktop PCs

[lexluthermiester]

Hi...I’ve been lurking on this thread for a while and you folks have really got me interested!

Welcome to the frey!

I had already ordered some LGA 1136 parts

Guessing you meant 1366?

Afte reading here, I jumped on a Dell T5500 motherboard deal, so hopefully I can get with the fun soon.

Do you already have a pair of Xeons for it?

 

[Retrorockit]

For overclocking with TS only the unlocked single CPUs apply. So it will have to run w/o the 2nd CPU riser board for this to work.
Be aware that as Susqehannok discovered if you don't have a late enough BIOS it won't boot with the newer 6 cores. So it's possible you may need a Nehalem to get it going.

 

[TechyTed]

Welcome to the frey!

Guessing you meant 1366?

Do you already have a pair of Xeons for it?

Um yah, let’s try 1366

I am a bit dyslexic on socket numbers obviously.

And no, I havent gotten to the dual CPU setup yet, just a bare bones test rig at this point.

Still waiting for it to show up actually.

Its supposed to have an E5520 with it. So we will see if we can get it to POST with that, update the BIOS and hope a better CPU comes our way.

Anyone notice the price jump on the T3500 boards? They are up at $80 Canadian now from $60 less than a month ago...

Yeah I just bought my T5500 motherboard a few days ago, and it was cheaper than most of the T3500 boards I saw. Looks like the cheapest way on ebay to get a new MB might be to find somebody offering free shipping on a stripped down barebones!

I think several people on this forum have mentioned the best deals on T3500s are to try to find them locally. Havent seen one around here yet!

 

[Aaron_Henderson]

Um yah, let’s try 1366

I am a bit dyslexic on socket numbers obviously.

And no, I havent gotten to the dual CPU setup yet, just a bare bones test rig at this point.

Still waiting for it to show up actually.

Its supposed to have an E5520 with it. So we will see if we can get it to POST with that, update the BIOS and hope a better CPU comes our way.



Yeah I just bought my T5500 motherboard a few days ago, and it was cheaper than most of the T3500 boards I saw. Looks like the cheapest way on ebay to get a new MB might be to find somebody offering free shipping on a stripped down barebones!

I think several people on this forum have mentioned the best deals on T3500s are to try to find them locally. Havent seen one around here yet!

There is one for sale for $175 here locally, but not much I want out of it other than the board...still cheaper just to go the "buy a board from Ebay" route. Several others are for sale, but for $300+.

 

[Retrorockit]

If you look on Ebay, or Craigslist you'l be paying retail. Try the local recyclers. They're common usually common there.

I haven't heard back from Susquehannock about the unlocked Xeon on his T5500. The RDIMMs might be an issue. I might go back to plan A with the known good T3500 for now.
I just ran through 20 pages of userbenchmark runs for the T5500 and didn't see a single W3000 series Xeon running. I did see X,W,E,L 5000 series running.

I GUESS IT'S TIME FOR THE DISCLAIMER. A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS EXPERIMENTAL IN NATURE. THAT MEANS IT MAY HAVE NEVER BEEN TRIED BEFORE AND WE DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL WORK OR NOT. OVERCLOCKING THE T5500 IS IN THAT CATEGORY. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU SEE US DISCUSSING SOMETHING HERE DOESN'T MEAN IT WORKS.
What is known to work is the Dell T3500 and any of the unlocked LGA1366 CPUs. Basically if the system will boot with an unlocked CPU Throttlestop should be able to overclock it.

On X58 systems all the CPUs run,i7, 3500,3600 series Xeons, 5500,5600 series. It looked like they were all interchangeable, but the dual CPU chipset may be more particular.

 

[Retrorockit]

I've mentioned the <95W i7 875X before. It seems the Xeon X3470 is the analog to that. I don't know if it's unlocked or not. LGA1156 Xeons don't get much attention. I'm seeing a couple raised multipliers at CPUZ but that isn't always so. Ill investigate further.

 

[unclewebb]

Intel lists a Core i7-875K.

https://ark.intel.com/products/48499/Intel-Core-i7-875K-Processor-8M-Cache-2_93-GHz

The K usually means an unlocked multiplier. In theory ThrottleStop should support these but I do not have any first hand experience with this CPU generation.

 

[Retrorockit]

The X3470 and the i7 870 were released at the same time Q3 '09, the i7 875K was released Q2 '10 so didn't exist yet. So the x3470 must be an analog of the regular i7 and not the Extreme series.
No unlocked 1156 Xeons so far. LGA1156 was parallel with LGA1366 for office and consumer systems. 2 channel DDR3 memory is the big difference and 45nm CPUs. Son of LGA775 basically.

 

[TechyTed]

There is one for sale for $175 here locally, but not much I want out of it other than the board...still cheaper just to go the "buy a board from Ebay" route. Several others are for sale, but for $300+.

I’ve done a lot of searching for a T3500 in this local area and a fifty mile radius. This is not a major metro area, but not a backwater either. Lots of engineering and CAD work goes on here, so you would have thought there was a number of Dells like this, but I can’t seem to find them. Appears the HP equivalent was more plentiful here. Anyway, there are some “locally” in Atlanta which is a 4 hour drive or Memphis which is a 5 hour drive. Prices are $200 for a pretty barebones box, but a few are listed with the W3680 CPU so that might be worth picking up.

 

[Retrorockit]

The Z400 can produce similar results to the T3500. Here are some userbenchmark.com results. None of these are TS as far as i know. Maybe XTU tuning.
http://www.userbenchmark.com/System/HP-Z400-Workstation/67
So i think there's more to be had there.
I'm trying to recruit an HP workstation guru to this site but I haven't heard back from him.
There is a 4 RAM socket version, and a 6 RAM socket version so be careful if you go that way. MB versions seem to be a recurring theme with HP workstations.

This is a TS overclock to 4.1 Ghz Z400 with W/3680 1080Ti.
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/7053914
Here's how it happened.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3496734/throttlestop-z400.html

I think I have good news guys. A German seller offering Dell T5500 with W3690 CPUs. He offers them single CPU and W series XEON only!
https://buerorechner24.de/T5500-Workstation-with-1-Processor-configurable

 

[TechyTed]

There is a guy on eBay who sells W3680 “upgrade kits” for T3500 and T5500...basically a CPU and some thermal paste. His price is way high and obviously its for a single CPU config only. I mean to email and ask if it works with T5500 running RDIMM memory. I know thats still a question at least in my mind. Otherwise seems to confirm W36xx works in a T5500 MB. Just may also require UDIMMs. And the BIOS update of course.

 

[Aaron_Henderson]

Finally have the money to build my girlfriend a PC (currently uses a Mac)...thinking of going with the Z400 board vs T3500 due to it being easier to mount inside a traditional ATX case...I know the 24-pin is not standard, but someone in this thread shared the pinout...anything else I should worry about when running just the bare board sans the rest of the Z400 system? Does it boot without stock fans? Does it boot without front panel connected? If these are unknowns, I'll stick with the T3500 board and just do the same as I already have with my current setup. Also finally ordering a W3570, another 2GB stick of RAM, and an SSD for my own PC.

 

[J-Man1990]

Finally have the money to build my girlfriend a PC (currently uses a Mac)...thinking of going with the Z400 board vs T3500 due to it being easier to mount inside a traditional ATX case...I know the 24-pin is not standard, but someone in this thread shared the pinout...anything else I should worry about when running just the bare board sans the rest of the Z400 system? Does it boot without stock fans? Does it boot without front panel connected? If these are unknowns, I'll stick with the T3500 board and just do the same as I already have with my current setup. Also finally ordering a W3570, another 2GB stick of RAM, and an SSD for my own PC.

I built my current gaming pc from a Z400 board. It boots fine without any of the stock Z400 parts aside from having to press F1 to boot because it doesn't detect fans and the usb header. This page has the pinouts for that board to fix all the post errors

 

[Retrorockit]

I came across a couple of Supermicro ATX X58 boards. X8SAX, and C7X58. Prices vary wildly.
https://www.wiredzone.com/mmenglish/Others/10018875-Manual.PDF
The C7X58 version supports XMP RAM settings in the BIOS (page 76). It did say the front I/O was intended for Supermicro cases.

 

[Aaron_Henderson]

Got a complete Z400 being delivered to me later today...comes with 8GB RAM, W3565, 120GB SSD, 1TB HDD...going to swap it all into another case and call it done for now. Eventually it will get a W3570 like my T3500 build, but want to test it with mine first. Also just picked up a GTX 770 to go with the Z400. So it should be up and running later tonight.

 

[TechyTed]

Would be interesting to see some benchmarks with TS bump up on the Z400 vs. T3500 with same processor installed.

 

[Aaron_Henderson]

Z400 is here...just need to go pick up an 8-pin PCIe adapter so I can get the GTX 770 installed. Going to pick up a case for it too...not sure if I need to get a different PSU yet or not, I am hoping I can make the stock one fit a standard ATX case. We will see...

Specs -
Intel Xeon W3565 (will be replaced with W3570 after I test with mine)
Z400 motherboard
4x2GB DDR3 (upgrade to 12GB eventually)
120GB SSD + 1TB HDD (will be stealing these for my T3500 build and installing my old drives in this Z400)
Gigabyte Windforce GTX 770 2GB
Deepcool Dukase V3 white window (brand new)
3 x pink LED fans
23" 1920x1080P monitor

Total is around $400 Canadian pesos...she also wants a mechanical keyboard...might have to wait for that though.

 

[Retrorockit]

Would be interesting to see some benchmarks with TS bump up on the Z400 vs. T3500 with same processor installed.

Z4400
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/7053914
T3500
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/7540614
The difference here may be different levels of stability testing between the 2 users.

 

[unclewebb]

I think the huge difference in multi-core performance between those two userbenchmark runs is because the W3680 in the T3500 had the TDP cranked way up to avoid throttling. This allowed the W3680 to run at full speed regardless of load or how many cores were active. These CPUs are bullet proof as long as they are properly cooled. It is also hard to hurt one when the CPU voltage is limited to stock Intel spec.

 

[J-Man1990]

Z400 is here...just need to go pick up an 8-pin PCIe adapter so I can get the GTX 770 installed. Going to pick up a case for it too...not sure if I need to get a different PSU yet or not, I am hoping I can make the stock one fit a standard ATX case. We will see...

Specs -
Intel Xeon W3565 (will be replaced with W3570 after I test with mine)
Z400 motherboard
4x2GB DDR3 (upgrade to 12GB eventually)
120GB SSD + 1TB HDD (will be stealing these for my T3500 build and installing my old drives in this Z400)
Gigabyte Windforce GTX 770 2GB
Deepcool Dukase V3 white window (brand new)
3 x pink LED fans
23" 1920x1080P monitor

Total is around $400 Canadian pesos...she also wants a mechanical keyboard...might have to wait for that though.

I just got this one https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-KUM...s&keywords=reddragon+keyboard+mechanical&th=1 its a good solid keyboard for the price

 

[Aaron_Henderson]

I just got this one https://www.amazon.com/Redragon-KUMARA-Backlit-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B01LXD7TP9/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1528459172&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=reddragon+keyboard+mechanical&th=1 its a good solid keyboard for the price

I was looking at that same board...does it use typical Cherry keycap compatible switches? She really wants custom keycaps...

 

[J-Man1990]

I was looking at that same board...does it use typical Cherry keycap compatible switches? She really wants custom keycaps...

I really dont know

 

[Aaron_Henderson]

Ended up having to get an ATX PSU as the stock Z400 PSU wouldn't fit in the case I bought...but the transplant is nearly complete. Got it booting after having to make a 24-pin adapter cable, just have a few things to finish up and it's ready to use. Just waiting on the fans and lighting to arrive.

 

[Retrorockit]

The PSU swap with Dells is one way also. The workstation PSUs are about 1/2" thicker with the fan(s) on the end facing the external drive bays. ATX usually has the fan on the bottom which allows a bigger quieter fan, and a thinner PSU. So ATX being smaller fits in workstations but not the other way around.

 

[Aaron_Henderson]

Got it all up and running, my gf has been using the past day or so and loves it, even without the pink stuff lol Still waiting on W3570 to show in the mail to test that, and might put up some photos of the new build.