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Editorial Intel's 28-core HEDT Processor a Panic Reaction to 32-core Threadripper

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AMD has Intel running scared. This is good news for competition.

I would not be so sure about that. Most businesses do not even consider AMD as an option.
 
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Jeez, what kinda monster PSU is that?! :eek: 3300W is more than you can pull from the wall here in the UK with its 240V mains, let alone the USA with its 120V mains.

Well my 230V line with 16A fuse would drive that easily, but that looks hoax.
 

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I can bet this cpu will never see consumer light of day... It'll have a paper launch at the end of the year and that's it. Something similar to the Titan Z. It exists but barely anyone saw it.
And i'm actually interested what would the price of this be. Because the 8180 is a $10k cpu. On the other hand AMD will probably position the 32 core TR at about $2200.

Its already seen the light of day... Its a Xeon part that has been repurposed as a commercial desktop part.

This isn't some random new tech that Intel are showing off. It already exists... Its Skylake X
 
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Jeez, what kinda monster PSU is that?! :eek: 3300W is more than you can pull from the wall here in the UK with its 240V mains, let alone the USA with its 120V mains.

Its a mining PSU, Doesn't everyone have one?



Well my 230V line with 16A fuse would drive that easily, but that looks hoax.

Totally

 

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"Dishonest" can be argued, since this was only a prototype.
But I'm surprised no one in the audience thought they should ask how is this coming in Q4'18 since it comes with a small refrigerator attached. That alone should have signaled that this is either far from the products to be released or aimed at a niche of a niche.

While I don't have a problem with the dishonesty here (not because I root for Intel, but because I've grown accustomed to marketing and previews being full of BS), I can't help noticing an additional issue: as long as Intel resorts to smoke and mirrors, it means they have nothing significant incoming. Which means no Ice Lake for probably another year from now.
 
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It was advertised as 5ghz multiple times and billed to be a real consumer part. It was pure lies over incoming TR destruction.

This is actually the truth. How low are you when a parody is more accurate than your demonstration?

I don't know but every single parody with this little gem just cracks me up bigtime. This one, too, is epic :D You just know what's coming, and still... lmao
 

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Well my 230V line with 16A fuse would drive that easily, but that looks hoax.
What country are you in? Here in England, a standard wall socket supplies 240V at 13A. You can go higher obviously, but then we're talking about special mains installations like they have in factories etc.


Its a mining PSU, Doesn't everyone have one?





Totally

I'd have believed that on two mains inputs connected to different sockets, but not on one. Something's not right here, video or no video.
 
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What country are you in? Here in England, a standard wall socket supplies 240V at 13A. You can go higher obviously, but then we're talking about special mains installations like they have in factories etc.

I'd have believed that on two mains inputs connected to different sockets, but not on one. Something's not right here, video or no video.

In Finland. Normal fuse in rooms here is 10A, but 16A fused lines are really common for kitchen, laundry rooms etc. So I could easily find free 16A line for one if needed.
 

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To be honest the people NOT thinking it was overclocked was stretching it. If intel could produce a 5,0Ghz 28cores with stock cooling AMD would be history and eventhough I like to hate Intel for their shady businesspractice this one can be forgiven. In other words: I dont think Intel had ill intend here since it could be expected only to be believed by hardwarenoobs.
 
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Can you imagine what would happen if that elaborate cooling system failed? Holy crap man, the temperature monitoring hardware wouldn't be able to react fast enough to turn the system off. Within half a second that processor would be Campbell's Cream of Processor Soup.
 
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No offense but anyone who believed that the cpu was not overclocked to the max on stage is mentally challenged.
 
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No offense but anyone who believed that the cpu was not overclocked to the max on stage is mentally challenged.
This. All you had to know was a little about platform, architecture, and mfg to know it was running at custom (and available) settings. Plus, no one seemed to care as Tom's could have asked "so, this is stock or custom overclock?". It ran it and that's what mattered.
 
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No offense but anyone who believed that the cpu was not overclocked to the max on stage is mentally challenged.

It's not overclocked to the max, that would need LN2. I would be OK if the 5GHz result has been achieved with custom water cooling loop or AIO kit(thus that if they have not forgot to mention it's OC). From coffee lake S the 14nm process can do over 5GHz, so the chance that monstrous chip can achieve that too with sufficient cooling. But in the end the cooling needed is not for 24/7 systems people would actually build, which makes this whole exercise very much pointless.
 

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No offense but anyone who believed that the cpu was not overclocked to the max on stage is mentally challenged.

I think 5.0GHz single-core boost is "believable" and what people were thinking he was talking about during the presentation.

But, IMO, if you are presenting a new product, present it as it is going to be used on the market not and extreme use scenario that almost no one will ever use it with. And if you are going to do extreme cooling and overclocks, don't just "forget" to mention it. You know, most of the time when you are doing those types of things, the rig is right out in the open so everyone can see how cool it looks.(No pun intended.)
 

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No offense but anyone who believed that the cpu was not overclocked to the max on stage is mentally challenged.
In context of the recently announced 8086K that also boosts to 5GHz it's really hard to imagine Intel wasn't trying to be at least a little misleading here. Though the lack of reaction from the audience played right into Intel's hands.
 
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Exactly what id expect from Intel:shadedshu:
 

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They will if they see that Intel is (directly or indirectly) lying.

Intel did not lie. They just showcased an OC'ed CPU
 
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Why dishonest? Did they say they will sell a 28 core processor with 5Ghz frequency in the future? Or did they clearly say that it is a demo?
Please, lets use our brains, it is easy to understand, given current performance in CPUs that it is not possible to sell that kind of a processor.
I hope we are not as dumb as the americans that put a cat in the microwave oven and then complained that it is manufacturers fault that it didn't say it is not safe for cats... Come on...

There's such a thing as Grey areas, and Intel were clearly aware of what these were here.

They went onstage, placed undue stress on 5GHz as a number during their demo. They didn't mention overclocking at any point. They *hid* their exotic cooling solution and attempted to make it look like an ordinary watercooling loop - or at least, close enough to one that it wouldn't be exposed the moment they took the stage.

If they had been interested in showing a raw performance, overclocked number, they would have used LN2 - Hell, Der8auer and EVGA were at the show, both with LN2 in tow and on show - Der8auer was showing off some 8086K overclocks at 7+GHz, and EVGA were showing off a closed LN2 system that Kingp1n has been using for the last while.

Most people on the periphery of the enthusiast scene, will see an article about something making a big splash on every site - they will *NOT* see the followup articles explaining how bullshit that is or how dishonest it was - they will repeat the lie unaware of this, and that's exactly what Intel wants them to do - to tell their friends "Don't buy Threadripper 2, Intel showed something way cooler at computex" until one of those friends actually stops them and explains their error. Add in the chinese whispers effect you get amongst the uninformed and Intel have a lot to gain out of KNOWINGLY MISLEADING and then peddling some weak excuse like "we forgot to mention" - the misleading information will reach far more people than the clarifications ever will.

Intel probably knew they were going to get caught, but it didn't matter to them as long as the tech press within those first 24 hours, ran a bunch of articles with "28 Core 5GHz" in the headline so that it would take the wind out of the AMD Threadripper 2 announcement.

Remember, this sort of thing causes lasting ripples far beyond the savvy tech press like Gamers Nexus, who immediately ran a video calling this demo out as bullshit, and didn't report the headline Intel clearly wanted. Even sites like Tom's and TPU have a vested interest in breaking the story the way Intel wants them to, also - there's a far larger potential for clicks and traffic, if you're reporting something outlandish and incredible, rather than something that exposes the lie of that outlandish or incredible story.

It's not overclocked to the max, that would need LN2. I would be OK if the 5GHz result has been achieved with custom water cooling loop or AIO kit(thus that if they have not forgot to mention it's OC). From coffee lake S the 14nm process can do over 5GHz, so the chance that monstrous chip can achieve that too with sufficient cooling. But in the end the cooling needed is not for 24/7 systems people would actually build, which makes this whole exercise very much pointless.

Gamer's nexus made the very good point here, that an All-core overclock on a high corecount CPU is disproportionately more difficult to achieve than the same overclock on a lower corecount CPU.

The reason is that even if temps and process are identical, the larger the piece of silicon is, the larger the chance that one of those cores contains an imperfection. On a 4Core CPU, that would just make it a poor overclocker, but there'd be a larger number of 4core dies out there without imperfections, and so it's easier to test a whole whackton of CPUs and find a golden chip.

Ramp that up to 28 cores, and suddenly it's not good enough if 4 of those cores are perfect, flawless silicon - the moment any of the other 24 are flawed in any way, your all-core-overclock is limited. Less 28 core CPUs are made per wafer, they cost much more to obtain before you can even test them, and finding 28 flawless cores is way less likely than finding 4 flawless cores.

End result? Even on the same process under the same temperature constraints, with the same architecture, you're unlikely to get similar clocks on HCC or XCC chips versus consumer chips.
 
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Intel did not lie. They just showcased an OC'ed CPU
No, they showcased a 28 core CPU @5GHz & nowhere did they say it was OCed, with extreme cooling. This is lying by omission IMO, like many others, not to mention there was no Q&A session so none of the journos could catch them in the act!
 
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No, they showcased a 28 core CPU @5GHz & nowhere did they say it was OCed, with extreme cooling. This is lying by omission IMO, like many others, not to mention there was no Q&A session so none of the journos could catch them in the act!
THIS!
 
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To be honest the people NOT thinking it was overclocked was stretching it. If intel could produce a 5,0Ghz 28cores with stock cooling AMD would be history and eventhough I like to hate Intel for their shady businesspractice this one can be forgiven. In other words: I dont think Intel had ill intend here since it could be expected only to be believed by hardwarenoobs.
The issue is not whether the tech savvy should have believed that was realistic. - They shouldn't, but as I explained before, there's an incentive in terms of site traffic, for the tech press to report the most exciting-looking, dramatic headlines, often to the point that those headlines aren't checked for accuracy, or are essentially just regurgitations of company press releases making wild claims.

The issue is more that Intel know this, and made clear efforts to both focus on the 5GHz number, and also to specifically avoid using LN2 cooling that would have been picked up on more readily - instead opting for a comparitively rare form of extreme cooling that just so happens to look much more like a conventional open loop liquid cooler.

Add onto that the extremely conveniently unverifiable excuse of "We forgot to mention" it was overclocked? I don't for a minute believe that this wasn't planned in advance. Nobody fucks up a detail that important and then just passes it off with "we forgot" - That's the kind of omission that when a company has genuinely fucked up and didn't mean to, you get press releases and statements. Not just private communications to whistle-blowing media outlets stating "we forgot".

That's a very specific thing here too - Intel aren't producing or mailing out a broad statement about this, or a large document. They're literally just privately messaging the sites that have taken issue with this and allowing them to relay in a very limited way to the smallest possible audience, their excuse. Most average users who have already picked up on the 28 core 5GHz story, will never see these retractions or updates - and Intel have a clear vested interest in keeping it that way.
 
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I wonder how they could "forget" about their processor being overclocked to the max with all the noise that cooler must have generated and all the tubes for the cooling system...
 
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.....was it all an illusion....has Intel ran out of brain juice? ......how the mighty have fallen....its kinda sad.

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