Intel Readying 22-core LGA2066 and 8-core LGA1151 Processors

[HimymCZe]

It seems like yesterday we were stuck on 4 cores, and even HEDT only had 6 (Ivy Bridge in 2013). Not sure if I should thank AMD or curse them.

Why cursing them? After 4174 days of Quad-Cores we FINALLY have at least a "promise" of upgrade.

 

[GlacierNine]

i7-6950X is from Q2 2016, 32-core TR will come later this year.

Are you sure your memory serves right? 8800GTX has 155W TDP, latest Prescott P4 Extreme Edition had TDP of 110W. Not quite space heater territory and combined, this is the heat generation of today's higher midrange computer.

A lot of that can be explained by the relative immaturity (or nonexistence) of technologies like Intel Speedstep and Nvidia GPUBoost. Those systems ran at full clockspeed 100% of the time. Temps still went up under load of course but these were much less efficient rigs as a whole.

I can personally vouch for rooms being dramatically warmer after an 8800GTX system had been running for a little while. No modern system I've owned or worked with has done that for a long time.

Also, I can't claim to have perfect information, but is it possible that the 115W TDP back in the prescott days was not the same sort of number we get from Intel today for 95W parts, or there's some other factor at play?

The reason I ask that question is, It seems to me if a Prescott with 8800GTX SLI, was under 450W draw for those components, then we could expect maybe 550W draw for what, at the time was the most power hungry rig a consumer could reasonably build.

If that's the number we're dealing with, why was it that the majority of tech coverage at the time, and even Nvidia's own SLI Certified PSU programme, were recommending PSU's well above 800W, into the 1KW or 1.2KW range?

 

[ironwolf]

I miss the 'moar cores' pic...

This one?

 

[ensabrenoir]

....got a new case just waiting for some internals. Sorta scared though..... as soon as i build they're gonna announce a new chipset and socket for the next generation coming in 3 months or less. I must admit though 1151 hanging around much longer than i expected.

 

[londiste]

I can personally vouch for rooms being dramatically warmer after an 8800GTX system had been running for a little while. No modern system I've owned or worked with has done that for a long time.

That does happen with ~150W already. Blowers are the cooler type that enhances this effect A LOT. 8800GTX one one of the first reference cards with a blower. If you run 250W blower card today, you'll notice the same effect a lot faster. I've had RX290, Vega64 as well as 980Ti/1080Ti with blowers in my computer and they have been warming my feet very nicely

Also, I can't claim to have perfect information, but is it possible that the 115W TDP back in the prescott days was not the same sort of number we get from Intel today for 95W parts, or there's some other factor at play?

TDP definition has changed a lot and mostly for the worse. The biggest factor is the clock speeds you mentioned. There is not much that'll constantly run a CPU at full speed and/or load these days.

The reason I ask that question is, It seems to me if a Prescott with 8800GTX SLI, was under 450W draw for those components, then we could expect maybe 550W draw for what, at the time was the most power hungry rig a consumer could reasonably build.

PSUs have come a long way. Proper 450W was a large and expensive PSU, today that is considered pretty basic. PSU specs also match their claimed wattage a lot better than it used to

 

[Prima.Vera]

I miss the 'moar cores' pic...

There you go:

HEDT core counts have literally tripled in the last year went from 10 cores to 32 , that's fucking insane and this time it really is thanks to AMD.

They just took their confusing Xeons and made them for HEDT. Nothing spectacular... But yeah I agree, thnx to AMD they did that.

Ex, their existing and confusing 22 Cores CPU:

 

[Dave65]

I don't see myself purchasing any Intel products except maybe an SSD, but competition is key to decent pricing and new tech.

 

[jesdals]

Well the i7 8086 edition and this would be nice - if - and only if they had fixed the Spectre vulnerability - same goes for AMD

 

[R0H1T]

I don't see myself purchasing any Intel products except maybe an SSD, but competition is key to decent pricing and new tech.

I know another forum where people thought even if AMD went bankrupt Intel would continue to innovate & release more core CPUs for cheap, because that's what monopolies (or virtual monopolies) do, even after discounting the threat from ARM

Needless to say I for one don't believe in the benevolence of profit making corporations.

 

[phanbuey]

I wonder if this is what AMD was saving their 2800x for...

 

[enxo218]

intel's naming convention needs to change all this talk of various lakes and now falls too?, I swear they remind me of android their sweet and edible nomenclature....its confusing tbh but I know the price won't be it will be the number 9...nth times spread concisely in a row

 

[NicklasAPJ]

Since you asked...


1 - Thermals have to come down with a better TIM application, dealing with the heat of those CPUs is the biggest challenge i have ever met.

People have been complaining about this since 2012: http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/39369-intel-cuts-corners-ivy-bridge-thermal-interface-material-tim/

2 - Motherboards have to become more robust in the VRM cooling and power delivery dept.

This has only been a widespread issue since X299 - X99 VRMs did not have overheating issues becuase the platform's power requirements were dramatically less. Der8auer complained about this issue for the first time on Jun 28th 2017.

3 - Branding has to start making sense already. No more sub 8-core CPUs please.

Intel have a long history of confusing people with their branding - Here's a couple links and quotes:

Spoiler

https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/2/12754426/intel-core-m-processor-naming-change-confusing - "Intel is making some weird naming changes to its processors this year that are certain to confuse people about what they’re buying. As spotted by Laptop Mag, the Core m name is largely going away in favor of Core i, which means it’s going to be much harder to tell exactly how powerful the processor is inside of a new laptop."

http://www.brucebnews.com/2012/07/how-to-identify-an-ivy-bridge-processor/ - (Confusing footnote: the naming scheme only works up to 37xx. The 38xx and 39xx processors are Sandy Bridge. That’s because Intel hates consumers.)

4 - CPU pricing needs to start being more compelling. TR is a wake up call.

He's got a point, Intel bumped up the price of their top end HEDT CPU from $999 to $1700 between the 5960X and the 6950X, while delivering only 2 more cores and on the same PCH. TR is doing incredibly well with a top end part priced at what Intel were charging before they added $700 to the MSRP. Absolutely a wakeup call to Intel.

- Quicker catch up with mainstream technology is needed. You can't let mainstream enjoy new ports and technologies, and deliver it to HEDT a whole year later.

Honestly, this is the only thing on this list that I've not seen a whole lot of complaints about, but it's always been an issue on the platform - Gigabyte annouced the world's first thunderbolt 3 compatible X99 motherboard on April 13, 2016 - https://www.gigabyte.com/Press/News/1421

Thunderbolt 3 had arrived on Mainstream, also from Gigabyte, on Sep 9th 2015 - https://thepcenthusiast.com/gigabyte-z170x-ud5-th-thunderbolt-3-motherboard/

Vrm on x299 is not bad Anymore just dont buy any off The first gen. My vrm is 75c max with my 7980 XE @ 4.8ghz. Passiv cooling on vrm here.

 

[GlacierNine]

I know another forum where people thought even if AMD went bankrupt Intel would continue to innovate & release more core CPUs for cheap, because that's what monopolies (or virtual monopolies) do, even after discounting the threat from ARM

Needless to say I for one don't believe in the benevolence of profit making corporations.

Was it HardOCP? They're kinda nuts, very USA USA USA right wing types in there.

 

[Valantar]

That does happen with ~150W already. Blowers are the cooler type that enhances this effect A LOT. 8800GTX one one of the first reference cards with a blower. If you run 250W blower card today, you'll notice the same effect a lot faster. I've had RX290, Vega64 as well as 980Ti/1080Ti with blowers in my computer and they have been warming my feet very nicely TDP definition has changed a lot and mostly for the worse. The biggest factor is the clock speeds you mentioned. There is not much that'll constantly run a CPU at full speed and/or load these days.PSUs have come a long way. Proper 450W was a large and expensive PSU, today that is considered pretty basic. PSU specs also match their claimed wattage a lot better than it used to

If your case has proper airflow it really shouldn't matter if you have a blower or open-air GPU - except that the air exhausted directly from the card will be slightly hotter, which would be possible to feel if you stuck your hand directly behind it. If course, open air and a top exhaust, for example, would spread the heat out even more, but the total amount of heat would still be identical (unless you have no airflow at all and heat accumulates inside the case, or course) . With a blower, you get hotter air coming out quicker, in a smaller area. But for warming a room or more than the immediate area around the exhaust, the effect is the same.

As for TDPs, saying they've changed for the worse is... pushing it. Sure, turbo modes exceed TDP, but not in any way that's even remotely harmful. Mostly, modern TDPs are realistic and accurate in terms of sustained power draw and heat output at full load. Some GPUs in particular peak much higher, but not in a way that makes any real difference in load on the PSU or necessary cooler quality. Of course motherboards with various overboost modes ("multi-core enhancement" and similar auto-overclocked) blow CPUs past TDP easily, but that's not the fault of the CPU or the TDP rating.

 

[Konceptz]

Think I see an 8c/16t i7 desktop build and 4K HDR TV as presents to myself this year under the tree. Thanks Competition, AMD, and Intel LOL

 

[neko77025]

I freaking love this .. not that intel has new stuff ... but that it has to make new stuff. Truth be told I will not be buying any of the new Intel cpus. I will be buying A AMD cpu (first in A very long time). I need something newer to replace my 2x X6970 12core / 24 thread home do it all server. And AMD has won my heart over. I want to give them my money just for making the CPU world better. I think is grate they made Intel panic and force change, even if their CPUs are A tad slower ... Just for the cause I will be investing into AMD for this reason alone.


Right now I am looking at the 1700 8core / 16 threads @ 65watts seems nice .... However I am in no rush ... and if them 16 core threadripps are going too drop in price ... I might jump to one of them .


Anyhow .. THANK YOU AMD !